From: owner-faxlabel@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest Subject: faxlist-digest V1999 #63 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlabel@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlabel@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Tuesday, June 29 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 063 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Jun 99 09:41:27 +1100 From: Andre Subject: RE: (fax) The great series > >> was just thinking that much of the best stuff on fax appears in single >> volumes, 62 eulengasse, solitaire, redeye etc. > >don't forget Zenith and Organic Cloud in that list. I second that motion. I want more Tetsu & Carlos.. Zenith is maybe my 2nd Favourite piece of music.. >dunderhead ;-) I highly disagree with you about DSOTM, but given that's >it's one of my favorite series on FAX, that would be a given huh? I think >each DSOTM is very different and very evolving at the same time. The music >(and the collaboration) has grown quite considerably over the years and I >hope it continues. It's one of the few series that I can listen to very >frequently and it still sounds fresh. I like the Series concept.. like Psychonavigation, From Within, Air etc.. it rokx. Fax +49-69/450464 Records - http://www.faxlabel.com [ tune into Faxlabel.com with realaudio ] - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:04:36 +0200 From: Carsten Subject: Re: (fax) Tetsu Inoue copyright infringed by Mille Plateaux pHonaut wrote: > > _____________________________________ > Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:32:33 -0700 > From: Sean Cooper > Subject: (idm) Tetsu Inoue copyright infringed by Mille Plateaux > > buyer beware: the recently released _man made motion_ on mille plateaux, > credited to dr. atmo, is in fact an illegitimate reissue of tetsu inoue's > _slow and low_, released on the fax label in 1995. it contains a slightly > altered tracklisting, different packaging, and was mastered with slightly > different EQ; musically, however, it is the same disc. fax is currently in > arbitration with mille plateaux with a lawsuit the likely result. Hmm... I just compared the CD's to each other, and it don't look very nice. Both CD's have 6 tracks - the tracks are a little bit longer on the Man Made Motion CD, but let's have a look at the titles: Slow and Low / Man Made Motion 1. Man Made Heaven / Heaven/Earth 2. Static Soul / Static 3. Automatic Motion / Motion 4. Slow and Low / Slow 5. Polychrome Chant / Automatic 6. Speculative Vision / Vision It should be obvious to everyone that this is no coincidence. What a shame, but who's to blame? Let's hope we'll find out! Carsten - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:29:47 +0100 From: Rowland Atkinson Subject: Re: (fax) Tetsu Inoue copyright infringed by Mille Plateaux >It should be obvious to everyone that this is no coincidence. >What a shame, but who's to blame? Let's hope we'll find out! and i was just about to say it *must* be a mistake but you are right. However, who the hell is this going to help, everyone is going to be pissed off with mille plateaux, the shops that stocked it and presumably dr atmo - does it really stack up, weird! r - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:58:49 -0400 From: "Luckabaugh, Steve" Subject: RE: (fax) Tetsu Inoue copyright infringed by Mille Plateaux > >It should be obvious to everyone that this is no coincidence. > >What a shame, but who's to blame? Let's hope we'll find out! > > and i was just about to say it *must* be a mistake but you are right. > However, who the hell is this going to help, everyone is > going to be pissed off with mille plateaux I don't know. I didn't pick it up but NOW I wanna hear it ;-) "Slow and Low: The Dr. Atmo Remixes" or maybe it's really the "Mille Plateaux Remixes" STeve. - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:48:05 +0200 From: Carsten Subject: Re: (fax) Tetsu Inoue copyright infringed by Mille Plateaux "Luckabaugh, Steve" wrote: > > I don't know. I didn't pick it up but NOW I wanna hear it ;-) "Slow and > Low: The Dr. Atmo Remixes" or maybe it's really the "Mille Plateaux Remixes" My copy is up for trade. Carsten - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:22:31 -0400 From: "Luckabaugh, Steve" Subject: RE: (fax) Tetsu Inoue copyright infringed by Mille Plateaux > I don't know. I didn't pick it up but NOW I wanna hear it > ;-) "Slow and Low: The Dr. Atmo Remixes" or maybe it's > really the "Mille Plateaux Remixes" Mille Plateaux Milli Vanilli hmmmmmmm, sorry if you don't catch my reference. STeve (just something that struck me) - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:10:23 +0100 From: Rowland Atkinson Subject: (fax) A Vision Just listening to The Gentle Machines (Spyra - Sferics), I love this track so much, deep bass, reggae beats and blissed out sounds, f*****g tops, just had to make this comment.... rA - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:32:16 -0500 From: byost Subject: Re: (fax) Tetsu Inoue copyright infringed by Mille Plateaux >My copy is up for trade. > >Carsten Better hang on to it. In 3 years after all the Dr. Atmo CDs have been recalled you can auction it off on Ebay for big bucks as a "collectors item." :) - -- Brad - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:51:43 PDT From: Jeff Shoemaker Subject: Re: (fax) Tetsu Inoue copyright infringed by Mille Plateaux isn't tetsu a member of macos? that could really make things sticky if he were. . . -jeff _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:59:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Stewart Fritz Subject: Re: (fax) Tetsu Inoue copyright infringed by Mille Plateaux Well, sampling is one thing...re-packaging an album with minimal changes to the music is something else entirely, I'd say. - --s2 Jeff wrote: isn't tetsu a member of macos? that could really make things sticky if he were. . . -jeff - -- stewart fritz...... fax +49-69/450464 reviews... http://www.2350.org/ welcome to the electronic music center - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:01:39 -0600 From: "Dave Steinhart" Subject: Re: (fax) Tetsu Inoue copyright infringed by Mille Plateaux > > Well, sampling is one thing...re-packaging an album with minimal changes > to the music is something else entirely, I'd say. > > --s2 Absolutely. The work itself IS copyrighted, and a wholesale copying and repackaging is a definite infringement, and quite easy to prove in a court of law. Definitely keep your copies of Man Made Motion. If it's a mistake, and some other music was supposed to have been pressed in its place, it'll be worth bucks. If it's not a mistake, and the release is pulled, the same is true. Now it may be that the demand for this mistake/infringement is low, but it's worth a shot. Dave - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:23:23 -0500 (CDT) From: pHonaut Subject: (fax) Tetsu Inoue copyright infringed by Mille Plateaux > >My copy is up for trade. > >Carsten > Better hang on to it. In 3 years after all the Dr. Atmo CDs have been > recalled you can auction it off on Ebay for big bucks as a "collectors > item." :) I thought about that but decided, as a Tetsu completist (i'm only missing Sequential and Station Rose), that i don't need someone's bastardized version of Slow & Low with an inferior EQ'ing job. I'd much rather have the original, and buy some other good music with the money i would have spent on this "new Dr.Atmo" I don't claim to know much about the principals of supply & demand in a situation like this, but i doubt it'll be worth anything if other Tetsu fans have similar feelings... M'eye too sense, no@h onnow: Sir Isaac Neutron's Ambiant Dalliance ps- Now if someone would like to sell/trade me their copy of Sad World II with the music of Slow & Low on the disc, well that's another matter entirely (a legit Fax release, but a rare mis-printing) . . . . . . ..... . . . . . . "|+'5 n0+ f@k3, end 0f c3n+ury, m@g|c d|5pl@y" . . . . . . ..... . . . . . . - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:58:59 -0500 (CDT) From: erich Subject: Re: (fax) Tetsu Inoue copyright infringed by Mille Plateaux So you will buy the Dr. Atmo release that's actually Tetsu Inoue called Sad World, but you are disgusted that anyone would buy the Dr. Atmo release that's actually Tetsu Inoue called Man Made Motion? ;) I wonder what Atmo was thinking when he did this. What kind of point is he trying to make? I'm sure they know each other -- so maybe its a personal thing. just speculating, erich On Tue, 29 Jun 1999, pHonaut wrote: > > I thought about that but decided, as a Tetsu completist (i'm only > missing Sequential and Station Rose), that i don't need someone's > bastardized version of Slow & Low with an inferior EQ'ing job. > I'd much rather have the original, and buy some other good music > with the money i would have spent on this "new Dr.Atmo" > > I don't claim to know much about the principals of supply & demand > in a situation like this, but i doubt it'll be worth anything if > other Tetsu fans have similar feelings... > > M'eye too sense, > no@h > onnow: Sir Isaac Neutron's Ambiant Dalliance > ps- Now if someone would like to sell/trade me their copy of > Sad World II with the music of Slow & Low on the disc, > well that's another matter entirely (a legit Fax release, but > a rare mis-printing) > > . . . . . . ..... . . . . . . > "|+'5 n0+ f@k3, end 0f c3n+ury, m@g|c d|5pl@y" > . . . . . . ..... . . . . . . > > > > > > > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:07:07 -0500 From: "Andrew Ross" Subject: (fax) Requests for next Dr. Atmo album I'm hoping that the new album becomes a series! My "top 5" requests would be: 1) Ambiant Otako 2) Shades of Onion 3) From Without 4) Inland 5) Innergalactic Federation (Doh! He actually *made* that one!) Cheers Andrew - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:31:29 -0400 From: "Luckabaugh, Steve" Subject: (fax) FS: Dr. Atmo's latest, "Ahhm Bee Ant O Tak Uuu" CD ok just kidding . . . it's just too weird. STeve. - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:48:49 -0500 (CDT) From: pHonaut Subject: (fax) Random thoughts on Mille-Made Motion > So you will buy the Dr. Atmo release that's actually Tetsu Inoue called > Sad World, but you are disgusted that anyone would buy the Dr. Atmo > release that's actually Tetsu Inoue called Man Made Motion? ;) Well, i didn't go so far to say "disgusted," if you've got the extra cash go for it...maybe it'll be worth hundreds *shrug* The Mille Made atMotion disc seems to be the product of a more malicious nature, given the strikingly similar track titles and such, whereas the Fax disc i mentioned was merely a printing error, and again, a legit release. A hair splitter? > I wonder what Atmo was thinking when he did this. What kind of point is > he trying to make? I'm sure they know each other -- so maybe its a > personal thing. Maybe it's not Dr.Atmo's fault, eh? I know all the info we have (not much) points to intentional action by Atmo, but i still have hope that he had little to do with this. Of course, one can hardly ignore the fact that several of his past releases had tracks on them (Silence "Heaven (aw-cut)", Sad World "Terasury", "Apadana", & "Harsin") which were merely other people's music with some keyboard structures added. I'm not condemning it by any means, those are still old faves, along with the original tracks that spawned them, and i'm all for the principles of MACOS. But at least those efforts were drawing influences from other genres of music in an attempt to blend them. Man Made Motion involves the *same* genre and a label-mate's music, no less. And many of these projects were somewhat benevolent in that their main purpose was to draw attention to a disintegrating world in need of hope and a different frame of mind then is popular today (i'm paraphrasing here, just read the liner notes to Silence). I guess what i'm getting at is that the overall tone of much of Dr.Atmo's music leads me to believe the creation of Man Made Motion as his own work is a little out of character for him. I mean, he's not even involved with music these days, right? I think someone else is cashing in on his name, personally. Maybe that'll turn out to be wrong, but much of Dr.Atmo's earlier works are really sought after: I.F. 1 & 2, Music to Films, Escape... Seems to me like someone knew he had a fanbase. I'm wondering just how much a question like "Was Andy Warhol a plagiarist?" has to do with all this. Perhaps very little. Oh, IMHO! no@h . . . . . . ..... . . . . . . - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:02:22 +0100 From: Ben Jefferys Subject: Re: (fax) Requests for next Dr. Atmo album Andrew Ross wrote: > 2) Shades of Onion Cor! Had to look twice there... nice one ;) Although it makes sense, thinking about the "cosmic onion"... Bye! Ben. - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 99 09:32:08 +1100 From: Andre Subject: (fax) AtmoSample Its interesting that No@h points out how much of the good Dr.'s work is sampled stuff, anyone heard a track by 'Java' (Dr. Atmo & Oliver Lieb) on EyeQ (forget the tracks name) its got gratuitous sampling of Peter Gabriel's Passion which imo is a little poor considering how wide spread and un-underground it is.... personally i think if you are going to sample 'ethnic' musicians sample something a little obscure that you cant buy at your local Virgin megastore... and of course, Zenith is on loop today. 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