From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2001 #40 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Saturday, March 17 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 040 Re: (fax) Silence IV (fax) so what (fax) Re: faxlist-digest V2001 #39 (fax) So this ... Re: (fax) Silence IV (fax) Flextone RI023 (fax) great expectations RE: (fax) great expectations Re: (fax) Silence IV ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:02:56 +0000 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: Re: (fax) Silence IV >any impressions of this disc? >I think its very good Namlook ambient. The vocal samples even fit nicely. >One of his better ambient releases I think. Might even fit in my top 30 of >all time...... Putting aside 1 & 2 as they're acknowledged classics from way back, I actually felt Silence 3 was a lot stronger than 4, very emotive and stands the test of time better. 4 seemed a touch 'to the formula' imo. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 02:45:24 -0800 (PST) From: Hyp Nom Subject: (fax) so what > ... it's amazing how easily the appetites of those unfamiliar > with back catalogue can be satisfied > ... those like us that have heard the epics do not want oddities > that will collect dust, we want more gold > ... if only I could erase my memory and discover them (gold) again i've more than 100 FAX CDs including most of the classics, and still love many of the recent releases. you are just getting used to the sound, and artists can't reinvent themselves in the way that the sound is always as fresh as it was in the beginning to the listeners who followed the development. so what?! or do you want to recollect the 'classic' feeling again and again with more Silences, Dark Sides of the Moog, Airs? what about releases like Jet Chamber V ? if people don't want it (looks like there are a lot) they don't want the label to progress at all.. though it is the bomb. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:59:51 +0000 From: Rowland Atkinson Subject: (fax) Re: faxlist-digest V2001 #39 >time 2(squared) has done that.. track 2 is so sublime.. its almost as if absolutely, bass that fills out the room and ambience to swim in! >a question posed on the list a few weeks back, regarding the >boredom factor of recent releases, I submit three extracts >from an (uncaptioned) off-list conversation: > ... it's amazing how easily the appetites of those unfamiliar >with back catalogue can be satisfied That sounds just a bit too knowing for my liking. Its almost as if its only those who have heard earlier works are able to make a judgment as to what is good, perhaps you didnt mean that though. I dont think we can expect any label to stay still (look at Rephlex) but the idea of progress is clearly debatable. There is no doubt in my mind that we cant continue to live in a world of 93/94-style ambience forever. Anyone know where I can get that other Benisch cd? Silence IV - tired old wankery if you ask me. When will it end was my main thought when listening to it. cheers rA NP: Sea Biscuit - something that does evoke the golden period. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:07:15 +0000 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: (fax) So this ... I requoted:- >> ... it's amazing how easily the appetites of those unfamiliar >> with back catalogue can be satisfied >> ... those like us that have heard the epics do not want oddities >> that will collect dust, we want more gold So you wrote:- > you are just getting used to the sound, and artists can't reinvent > themselves in the way that the sound is always as fresh as it was > in the beginning Firstly, the initial comment is *NOT* a slight on those who are only familiar with recent Fax releases - let's face it, we have all been in that position at some point. However, it *IS* a slight on the recent output and I make no apology for it. I am contrasting the mood of many longtime Fax lovers who have suffered several recent disappointments with the mood of those who perhaps have yet to experience the joys of older classics. *****(In fact it is a failure on the part of PK to see that Fax music is more than just Namlook music which lies at the heart of the problem)***** I agree, artists can not continually reinvent themselves and continually sound fresh. This is why he should be a) releasing new artists on the sub-label and b) giving more oportunities to 94-97 period stalwarts to release some more of their music. Where is the new David Reeves material for example?...don't hold your breath!!!! One other point, more of the "gold" does not mean more of the same, it means more of the gold (definition = high quality music). > or do you want to recollect the 'classic' feeling again and again > with more Silences, Dark Sides of the Moog, Airs? What do you think? (I don't even own Silence 4 or Air 3+4 anymore!) > What about releases like Jet Chamber V ? if people don't want it > (looks like there are a lot) they don't want the label to progress > at all.. though it is the bomb. JC5 was a worn out groove, not a progression ... there, I've said it! Anyway, what is "the bomb"? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:42:41 -0500 (EST) From: alan r lucas Subject: Re: (fax) Silence IV agreed. i heard silence 3 before any of the others, and i still think it's a really great disc. i love the second, fourth and fifth tracks. i like the others, too, of course, but those tracks almost make me cry. 4 just hasn't done it for me like that yet. i'll try to make some time for it this weekend, tho... alan! np:styrofoam:a short album about murder On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Paul Milligan wrote: > >any impressions of this disc? > >I think its very good Namlook ambient. The vocal samples even fit nicely. > >One of his better ambient releases I think. Might even fit in my top 30 of > >all time...... > > > Putting aside 1 & 2 as they're acknowledged classics from way back, > I actually felt Silence 3 was a lot stronger than 4, very emotive and > stands the test of time better. 4 seemed a touch 'to the formula' imo. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:48:28 -0700 From: "Graham Banting" Subject: (fax) Flextone RI023 I'm thinking about trading my copy of Flextone (RI 023) by Atom Heart. Released in Sept 94, this was the first release on Rather Interesting, 500 copies. Exceptionally rare title. If I get a good offer (FAX titles) I'll trade it. Graham ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 09:33:55 +1100 From: "andre@faxlabel.com" Subject: (fax) great expectations I think the issue of quality, for listeners like myself and Paul Milligan is that once we've heard the best its hard to listen to anything but.. no discounting that any of the new music is better or worse but in - my opinion - its gone onto something new that i enjoy less than the older stuff.. there are many reasons for the above and i dont really want to start a thread comparing old with new BUT my point is that: if you buy a CD expecting something and it delivers something else the result is usually consumer dissapointment and its hard to overcome this unless the product is *exceptional* in another way.. I think fax is especially prone to this happening, having so many releases under its belt that you love , you cant help but to anticipate the type of sound on that new release. From Within 3 is the perfect example from me. I love from within 1 & 2 for the really long 20min+ tracks on both that sit there and slowly take it away and back again.. i wanted a 3rd disc like this. when FW3 came out i was upset that it was a different format (lots of short tracks) even though its good music, It wasnt what I wanted/expected the same syndrome effects all things.. like the time i saw the previews for the movie 'event horizon' and thought it was going to be the scifi epic for the 90s and it was another horrid waste of pixels.. Some people that ive introduced fax to recently love the new ones and think the old ones are shite.. and Paul, i think you suffer from great expectations too much with fax. you're calling for the release of new David Reeves material on the sublabel the reason you want this so much is that his previous work is awesome.. so i assume you're wanting / expecting something similar or at least of the same Outstanding quality of his previous releases... how do you know that it is unless youve heard it? dont you think namlook (who released the previous 3) would recognise if his new stuff was of this calibre and release it accordingly?? .. It must be said though that i too would love to hear new music from reeves but will try not to hope for otras 3 unless its called otras 3 andre. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:26:14 -0800 From: Anthony Ballo Subject: RE: (fax) great expectations I agree with you Andre! I would have to add that sometimes my initial reaction is disappointment but then, as I continue to listen, some release take on a new light of their own and become liked. This has not been the rule though but I am willing to always take that chance. :) - - Anthony ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 01:05:33 -0500 From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: Re: (fax) Silence IV Yeah, a very good disc, although very, very different from the first two classics. BTW, is the VOICE of the Silence series Pete's own voice? Peace. ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2001 #40 ******************************* --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org