From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2001 #59 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Friday, April 20 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 059 (fax) back from the dead. RE: (fax) back from the dead. RE: (fax) back from the dead. RE: (fax) back from the dead. RE: (fax) back from the dead Silence RE: (fax) back from the dead Silence (fax) Silence stuff RE: (fax) back from the dead. Re: (fax) Silence stuff RE: (fax) Reeves Re: (fax) Silence stuff (fax) Fw: Undeliverable Mail RE: (fax) back from the dead. (fax) The Ambient Cookbook RE: (fax) Cookbook + Carlos RE: (fax) The Ambient Cookbook RE: (fax) The Ambient Cookbook (fax) The Ambient Cookbook RE: (fax) The Ambient Cookbook (fax) new POLE/Stefan Betke rmx CD... RE: (fax) The Ambient Cookbook ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 00:44:54 +1000 From: "andre@faxlabel.com" Subject: (fax) back from the dead. the dead have risen and are playing with synths.. Silence V is coming out on Fax in the next couple of days. excerts: http://www.sansserif.com.au/silenceV.mp3 http://www.sansserif.com.au/silenceV2.mp3 andre. andre@faxlabel.com Australian distribution & mailorder for Fax + 49-69/450464 Germany http://www.hyperreal.org/fax/ http://www.2350.org fax email list - mailto:faxlist-request@2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:54:03 +0100 From: "Corbin, Nick (CAP, EEF)" Subject: RE: (fax) back from the dead. Hi Everyone - as you'll have gathered, I'm new to list. I've been an 'observer' for a while, but thought it was time to get writin', so I have. Andre's post prompted me into a confession - I haven't got any of the Silence series at all. I first got into Fax when I read a 'Top 50 Labels' supplement in Mixmag UK (when it was good), so, intrigued by the description of the label & music (I was listening to Aphex & FSOL at the time), I picked up the Ambient Cookbook down at my local indie record shop - and never looked back. That was years & years ago, and sorta forgot about the Cookbook as I picked up the albums... Anyway! I listened to it again a few weeks back and was stunned by the Otras2 track (so am hunting down the CD) and the Silence track, 'Heaven'. Can anyone tell me what the CD's like and what the rest of the series is like to please....? Sorry for the protracted mail - lots to get off my chest etc etc! Nick This e-mail is intended for the addressee(s) named above only. As this e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, if you are not the named addressee(s) or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee(s), please telephone us immediately. The contents of this e-mail should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:08:04 +0100 From: Edward Jones Subject: RE: (fax) back from the dead. Hi Nick! The first two Silence disks are absolutely seminal fax stuff. The first CD kicked off the fax label on CD, and is blissfully minimal, with 4 drawn out tracks of beautiful, melodic minimalism. Influences range from the obvious (Eno etc.) to the more obscure (there are Middle Eastern overtones in there, and some bits even suggest the quieter moments of later period Talk Talk). A manifesto for the label if ever there was one. Silence II continues very much where the first one left off, with continuing eastern flavours across the four (or five if you have the re-issue). The original edition is very difficult to obtain now, which is shame as it includes the full 22 minute version of Heaven, whereas the re-issue has the edit on "Ambient Cookbook" as well as a new, slightly inferior, track entitled "What Is Time?". Silence I has just been reissued on Ambient World. You should also still be able to pick up the FAX USA double CD edition of Silence I and II from Barnes & Noble (bn.com), Cdnow.com or Cdconnection.com. It's well worth the money. There may even be others on the list who will be forthcoming with spare copies of either. Sadly, with the departure of Dr Atmo, the series went downhill. Silence 3 in isolation is a good ambient disc, but not in the same league as its illustrious predecessors, and Silence 4 is pretty mediocre in my opinion. The two excerpts of Silence V that Andre kindly posted do not seem to indicate very much, but I am interested to see where Pete takes the series to next..... In short, get your hands on Silence I & II if you can, but be wary of the others! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:17:47 +0100 From: "Corbin, Nick (CAP, EEF)" Subject: RE: (fax) back from the dead. Thanks Edward - sorry about the cross post folks. It's a bit strange that I managed to miss out on Silence (especially as my first Fax purchases were based on the best tracks on the Cookbook - which sometimes proved to be costly mistakes! - and Heaven obviously is one of the top ones) as I started buying early on in 93-94, but never mind - it's great to be able to discover some missed classics. From reading some of the archives I see that a lot of people bemoan having 'found' all the best Fax releases - but let's not get into that again! Nick - -----Original Message----- From: Edward Jones [mailto:EJONES@iirltd.co.uk] Sent: 19 April 2001 16:08 To: 'faxlist@2350.org' Subject: RE: (fax) back from the dead. Hi Nick! The first two Silence disks are absolutely seminal fax stuff. The first CD kicked off the fax label on CD, and is blissfully minimal, with 4 drawn out tracks of beautiful, melodic minimalism. Influences range from the obvious (Eno etc.) to the more obscure (there are Middle Eastern overtones in there, and some bits even suggest the quieter moments of later period Talk Talk). A manifesto for the label if ever there was one. Silence II continues very much where the first one left off, with continuing eastern flavours across the four (or five if you have the re-issue). The original edition is very difficult to obtain now, which is shame as it includes the full 22 minute version of Heaven, whereas the re-issue has the edit on "Ambient Cookbook" as well as a new, slightly inferior, track entitled "What Is Time?". Silence I has just been reissued on Ambient World. You should also still be able to pick up the FAX USA double CD edition of Silence I and II from Barnes & Noble (bn.com), Cdnow.com or Cdconnection.com. It's well worth the money. There may even be others on the list who will be forthcoming with spare copies of either. Sadly, with the departure of Dr Atmo, the series went downhill. Silence 3 in isolation is a good ambient disc, but not in the same league as its illustrious predecessors, and Silence 4 is pretty mediocre in my opinion. The two excerpts of Silence V that Andre kindly posted do not seem to indicate very much, but I am interested to see where Pete takes the series to next..... In short, get your hands on Silence I & II if you can, but be wary of the others! This e-mail is intended for the addressee(s) named above only. As this e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, if you are not the named addressee(s) or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee(s), please telephone us immediately. The contents of this e-mail should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:27:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Phonaut Subject: RE: (fax) back from the dead Silence > the four (or five if you have the re-issue). The original edition is very > difficult to obtain now, which is shame as it includes the full 22 minute > version of Heaven, whereas the re-issue has the edit on "Ambient Cookbook" Edward's comments are very helpful, although i should add that i dig Silence 3 & 4 almost as much as the first 2, they just didn't have that 'bolt-from-the-blue' effect that the first releases did since they were such early Fax albums. Still very good stuff, and the actual studio production and sound is even better i thought. I guess 10 years of making albums will have that effect on a person ;-) One should note, though, that if you can actually put up with listening to a 22-minute loop of the intro to Najma Akhtar's "In My Heart" you really ought to do yourself a favor and get the original full-length "Pukar (Calling You)" which is fine in and of itself, particularly if you fancy 'world/ethnic' music. I loved "Heaven" dearly until i heard the Najma album and realized just how little Namlook/Atmo did to make that track. Sample, loop, and add occasional keyboard noodles over the top... hmmm...! l8r, n. np: Zoveit*France "in.version (live in Berlin)" . . . . . . ..... . . . . . . Tetsu Inoue Homepage v2: http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/tetsu/ Radioshow Playlists: http://i.am/phonaut / http://www.phonaut.org/ Music Trading Page: http://ww1.math.luc.edu/~njurcin/trade.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:34:21 +0100 From: "Corbin, Nick (CAP, EEF)" Subject: RE: (fax) back from the dead Silence >I loved "Heaven" dearly until i heard the Najma album and realized just how little Namlook/Atmo >did to make that track. Sample, loop, and add occasional keyboard noodles over the top... >.hmmm...! Yeah, good point but I think 'Heaven' is just one of those tracks you could listen to over and over again & not get bored of it because the voice pattern is so beautiful. It's just one of those tracks you could imagine that most people would like, whether they were ambient bods or not... This e-mail is intended for the addressee(s) named above only. As this e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, if you are not the named addressee(s) or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee(s), please telephone us immediately. The contents of this e-mail should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:11:15 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: (fax) Silence stuff Edward wrote: >Sadly with the departure of Dr Atmo, the series went downhill. Silence 3 >in isolation is a good ambient disc, but not in the same league as it's >illustrious predecessors... Despite my own "early Fax era" leanings I would have to disagree. Silence 3 was something of a departure from the first two (although equally deserving of the title Silence) but, imo, just as strong musically and in terms of it's atmosphere. >and Silence 4 is pretty mediocre in my opinion. With this summary however, I agree. Just one 'touch' I liked on Silence 4 ... the very subtle/understated lion purring on the first track, really deep and soft - felt like it was in the same room as me. Thereafter, disappointment. Love to know why Mr K changed his mind (about what seemed to be a bizare decision in the first place) regarding release of No.5 Oh, and a message for Nick ... if you dig the Otras track on Cookbook, get after O1 and O2... and (especially) In Starless Space, they won't disappoint. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:58:43 +0100 From: "Corbin, Nick (CAP, EEF)" Subject: RE: (fax) back from the dead. >watch out for reviews of fax records on 2350.org. hope that can help you. >ronny from germany 2350 reviews are definitely a god send (financially wise - even though I bought every release when I started) as I think the one thing that *every* Fax listener/buyer etc will agree on is that one not everyone will concur as to what's good and what isn't - which the postings about the Silence series probably prove. ______________________________________________________ This e-mail is intended for the addressee(s) named above only. As this e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, if you are not the named addressee(s) or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee(s), please telephone us immediately. The contents of this e-mail should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:44:45 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: Re: (fax) Silence stuff >The thing with the the Cookbook Otras 2 track (can't remember the title) >was that it reminded me of Tetsu's stuff, especially on Zenith... Well David Reeves music is some distance away from Inoue's... the Cookbook/ Otras track isn't representative of his stuff, although choosing one track that is would be difficult! Best listen to Otras right through for yourself BUT, don't be put off if it doesn't gel straight away because it's not all as immediate as the Cooky track. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:15:16 +0100 From: Edward Jones Subject: RE: (fax) Reeves It has to be said, David Reeves really should release some more CDs. Are you listening Pete? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:17:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Phonaut Subject: Re: (fax) Silence stuff > With this summary however, I agree. Just one 'touch' I liked on Silence 4 > ... the very subtle/understated lion purring on the first track, really > deep and soft - felt like it was in the same room as me. Thereafter, check out Chris Watson's Stepping Outside the Circle of Fire which features a simply amazing field recording of a Cheetah taking a little nap under a tree. I agree, this sound of a large cat purring away is probably one of the most relaxing sounds i've ever heard. Not to mention listening to this in headphones makes you think that cheetah is *really* right next to you (Mr Watson makes excellent low-noise field recs). i think the mic was literally 18 centimeters away from kitty! I recently read about some study stating that the frequencies that these large cats emit while purring actually strengthens their bones! Nature has always been 'hi-tech', eh? > Oh, and a message for Nick ... if you dig the Otras track on Cookbook, get > after O1 and O2... and (especially) In Starless Space, they won't > disappoint. i myself only got Otras 2 within this last year and was very pleased with it! It's a fantastic release. hear hear. > Yeah, good point but I think 'Heaven' is just one of those tracks you > could listen to over and over again & not get bored of it because the > voice pattern is so beautiful. It's just one of those tracks you could and the Najma album is chock full of countless other beautiful voice patterns! ;-) loop 'em if you've got 'em... n. np: Zoviet*France 'feedback (live VPRO transmission)' (yep, i'm on a roll) . . . . . . ..... . . . . . . Tetsu Inoue Homepage v2: http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/tetsu/ Radioshow Playlists: http://i.am/phonaut / http://www.phonaut.org/ Music Trading Page: http://ww1.math.luc.edu/~njurcin/trade.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:22:30 -0500 From: Subject: (fax) Fw: Undeliverable Mail > Otras track isn't representative of his stuff, although choosing one track > that is would be difficult! Best listen to Otras right through >> > > a lot of otras is on the fax real audio page at www.aquafm.com/fax > > later, > george > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:34:27 -0700 From: "Raphael Almeria" Subject: RE: (fax) back from the dead. >The first two Silence disks are absolutely seminal fax stuff. The first CD I completely agree. >The original edition is very difficult to obtain now, which is shame as it >includes the full 22 minute version of Heaven, whereas the re-issue has the I did not know this! How is it? Is that why it's labeled (aw-cut)? - -R ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:59:39 +0200 From: Perry Oostrum Subject: (fax) The Ambient Cookbook Friends, I'm new to this list. As an old-time Klaus Schulze, Aphex Twin, Brian Eno fan I just recently came across the Fax label. Now, it seems that The Ambient Cookbook compilation is a fine introduction to this label. Is it still available? Regards, Perry Oostrum The Netherlands ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:22:02 +0100 From: "Corbin, Nick (CAP, EEF)" Subject: RE: (fax) Cookbook + Carlos >>The thing with the the Cookbook Otras 2 track (can't remember the title) >>was that it reminded me of Tetsu's stuff, especially on Zenith... >Well David Reeves music is some distance away from Inoue's... the Cookbook/ >Otras track isn't representative of his stuff, although choosing one track >that is would be difficult! Yeah, I didn't want people to think that I meant DR's music was really like TI's, cos obviously it isn't, it's just that the Cookbook tack reminded me of 'Electro Dreams'... One thing I wonder from time to time is what ever happened to Carlos Vivanco? The only release I've seen him on is 'Zenith', but I'd love to know if he ever did anything else... This e-mail is intended for the addressee(s) named above only. As this e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, if you are not the named addressee(s) or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee(s), please telephone us immediately. The contents of this e-mail should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:39:32 +0100 From: "Corbin, Nick (CAP, EEF)" Subject: RE: (fax) The Ambient Cookbook Perry wote: ...I just recently came across the Fax label. Now, it seems that The Ambient Cookbook compilation is a fine introduction to this label. Is it still available? I think the Cookbook is a great introduction - the problem you find with Fax when you start out is that the music's so varied you can easily buy some releases that won't realy be your cup of tea. This is less so now thanks to the reviews on 2350 and this list, and the great thing about the Cookbook is that there's tracks from across the whole spectrum of the label, with some notable exceptions; where's the tracks from Hemisphere, Ozoona and Shellground? You probably won't like all of the Cookbook, but I can guarantee that you'll absoloute *love* some of it. In theory, you should still be able to get it cos the brief of the AW label was for the quantities release to not be limited - but somehow I don't think that's the case... I've never seen it around, either in a shop or on the net, but a good bit of advice (imo!) would be to get a copy of it on MP3 or something as it's handy to have as a reference for a newcomer to Fax. This e-mail is intended for the addressee(s) named above only. As this e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, if you are not the named addressee(s) or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee(s), please telephone us immediately. The contents of this e-mail should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:43:52 +0100 From: Edward Jones Subject: RE: (fax) The Ambient Cookbook Loads of fax stuff is available at emusic.com. They are offering a free one month (or 100 downloads) trial at the moment, which is enough to download a fair amount of stuff. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:09:56 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: (fax) The Ambient Cookbook Take a look at my review on 2350 for this one. The Cookbook is a *great* compilation and stands in its own right as a fine and hefty slab of ambient/electronic music. But, it lifts the high points of several otherwise less inspirational discs (as is the way with most comps!) and doesn't really give fair representation to several *core* Fax artists, as well as omitting some acknowledged classics in favour of questionable fringe stuff (eg. Music For ballet) It's long out-of-print on Ambient World, never mind the original pressing and the last time I saw a copy up for grabs it was on Dave Calvert's 'boo' site awaiting offers. You can, however, pick it up by buying both of the Instinct Fax compilations, which I think retail at circa 16 US each, good value for a 2-disc pack. By the way, I actually think that the finest ever Fax compilation never even appeared on Fax ... Rising High's Definitive Fax Compilation Vol 1... bloody brilliant. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:48:04 +0100 From: "Corbin, Nick (CAP, EEF)" Subject: RE: (fax) The Ambient Cookbook Paul wrote: >But, it lifts the high points of several otherwise less inspirational discs (as is the way with >most comps!) I'd definitely agree - the 'Bedroom' track is the best out of the corresponding album, as is the 'Solitaire' track, although I'll probably get shouted at by others who love those 2 albums...! >You can, however, pick it up by buying both of the Instinct Fax compilations,which I think >retail at circa 16 US each, good value for a 2-disc pack. Can anyone tell me where I can buy Instinct Fax stuf on the net, and if there's an Instinct page please.....? Thanks, Nick This e-mail is intended for the addressee(s) named above only. As this e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, if you are not the named addressee(s) or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee(s), please telephone us immediately. The contents of this e-mail should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 06:37:50 -0600 From: David Hodgson Subject: (fax) new POLE/Stefan Betke rmx CD... now available from Playing By Ear... _____________________________________________ WMF RECORDS (GERMANY): V/A: Komfort.Labor Presents ~Scape (WMF02CD) CD WMF(Berlin) has launched a record label to reflect the atmosphere of its club nights, of which one is a monthly ~Scape records party, organised by STEFAN BETKE (aka POLE). This, BETKE's first mix CD, took over six months to complete, evident in the loving attention to detail and intimacy created by POLE's unmistakable raw heartbeat crackles and pulsing electronic dub. As well as being an invitation into the sound and feel of ~Scape with label artists KIT CLAYTON and JAN JELINEK (under his FARBEN moniker), POLE reveals another dimension to his mesmerising urban dub, with unexpected appearances from VLADISLAV DELAY, PROCESS, MAUS & STOLLE (KLANG), MATTHEW HERBERT (as DR ROCKIT), CINEMATIC ORCHESTRA, FLANGER (BURNT FRIEDMAN & ATOM HEART) and PATRICK PULSINGER's PRIVATE LIGHTNING SIX outfit, adding jazz and exotic syncopations to his repertoire. Beats! On a Pole release! Whatever next? www.wmfrec.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:01:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Alistair White Subject: RE: (fax) The Ambient Cookbook do you know if they are still doing their cds in 128 kbit? -Alistair White www.booyaka.com/~al On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Edward Jones wrote: > Loads of fax stuff is available at emusic.com. They are offering a free one > month (or 100 downloads) trial at the moment, which is enough to download a > fair amount of stuff. > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2001 #59 ******************************* --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org