From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2001 #71 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Tuesday, May 15 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 071 (fax) sublabel still breathing RE: (fax) sublabel still breathing Re: (fax) Reviews please Re: (fax) sublabel still breathing (fax) New Tetsu (non-fax) Re: (fax) Fax around the world + Cascone RE: (fax) sublabel still breathing RE: (fax) sublabel still breathing RE: (fax) sublabel still breathing RE: (fax) sublabel still breathing RE: (fax) sublabel still breathing RE: (fax) sublabel still breathing [none] (fax) cymatic scan (fax) Re: your mail (fax) Cymatic Scan Re: (fax) Re: your mail Re: (fax) Re: your mail (fax) Re: Cymatic Scan RE: (fax) Re: Cymatic Scan (fax) Re: Cymatic Scan (fax) Movie samples RE: (fax) sublabel still breathing (fax) Laswell ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:30:53 +1000 From: "andre@faxlabel.com" Subject: (fax) sublabel still breathing > so why is there no more sublabel now? > > andre. > > SanSSerif GraFIK > Andre Ruello - andre@sansserif.com.au > ph. 0414 611 635 - http://www.sansserif.com.au > > not a lot of it.. just the artists I worked with until now but no additional stuff as long as it is not "super-exceptional". there will be more Spyra stuff soon.. i.e. yours Peter ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 21:34:35 -0700 From: "Raphael Almeria" Subject: RE: (fax) sublabel still breathing >not a lot of it.. just the artists I worked with until now but no additional >stuff as long as it is not "super-exceptional". > >there will be more Spyra stuff soon.. i.e. > >yours Peter Sounds cool. So he's trying to only release high-quality stuff. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:58:14 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: Re: (fax) Reviews please Bit late with my (re)views but... >- Red Eye: Arizona Tracks okay but, would have preferred it if there had been perhaps fewer tracks and more flesh on the stronger ones. Don't think we ever found out who Red Eye was/are did we? >- A Day in the Live Way superior to the others, let's hope the new one is a return to form. >- The MS-Series: as good as the Xangadix albums? Even better. >- A Day in the Park Atmo influence is there (particularly on seminal Talk) but, otherwise I feel they've all done better work. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:15:02 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: Re: (fax) sublabel still breathing >but no additional stuff as long as it is not "super-exceptional". ... on a ventilator though? >there will be more Spyra stuff soon. As it's, by definition, "super-exceptional" I'm look forward - especially as I felt his last two Fax outings (Etherlands & VV2) were okay but, somewhat inferior to his earlier stuff on Fax. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:51:38 +0100 From: Rowland Atkinson Subject: (fax) New Tetsu (non-fax) For info: rA 00.00 INOUE, TETSU: Object And Organic Code CD (IAE 02). "Produced at the Institute for Electronic Arts at Alfred University and Funded by the Rockefeller Foundation's 'E-Star' program, Object and Organic Code finds Tetsu Inoue once again in the thick of digital sound processing. This time however there is a slight twist. In an attempt to engage his body and computer in a more physical and 'organic' way, he sampled hours of sound (played from many objects and instruments in odd combinations) directly to the hard drive and processed those sounds as rapidly and improvisationally as possible. The late November snow storm keep Tetsu locked in the studio for days and the recordings reflect the intensity of his exploration and experiences. It's as if he turned sounds to ice, shattered them and reconfigured them in an attempt to communicate in an as of yet unknown language. The sounds of the objects shine threw crackled surface of broken codes. The disc itself is winter white and cut to a special shape. Graphic design by Andrew Deutsch who also supplied some of the source material. This CD shows nicely the next steps in Tetsu Inoue's ongoing evolution in experimental music." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:44:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Phonaut Subject: Re: (fax) Fax around the world + Cascone On Fri, 11 May 2001 muziknut2@juno.com wrote: > Some time ago, someone argued that the British equivalent of Fax was the > late, lamented Em:t label. I have to argue the same for a potential US > equivalent--Silent Records, when it was owned by Kim Cascone. Although > the label branched out into industrial and techno, through their Furnace > and Flask sub-labels, they put out some AMAZING stuff. I was just > listening to the Spice Barons and Heavenly Music corporation. > Terrific--if you can find it! Cascone sold the label in 1997, it > abandoned ambient music in favor of techno and house, and then it > dissolved completely. :-( RIP. Of course, Cascone is still quite active and his new label is up and running at http://www.anechoicmedia.com/ The man that made such good things happen... is still at at! Inoue did remix a track of his last year (maybe '99)? On the BlueCubism remixes disc on Digital Narcis Japan. Speaking of Inoue, i just received word from him that an official copy (i had a cdr for the past few months) of Object and Organic Code is on it's way to me, and i see many stores listing it in their updates. I think this comes with a small book maybe? I'll give the low-down as soon as it arrives. Seeya, n. np: Vir Unis "The Drift Inside" (the new 'Bloodmachine' amazed me) . . . . . . ..... . . . . . . Official Tetsu Inoue Homepage, RadioShow Playlists, and Trades @: http://ww1.math.luc.edu/~njurcin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:00:05 -0400 From: "Luckabaugh, Steve" Subject: RE: (fax) sublabel still breathing > > so why is there no more sublabel now? > > > > andre. what a great question, thanks for asking it andre. let's analyze the response, shall we? > not a lot of it.. not a LOT of it? what? how about NONE! well ok 1 or 2 per year but it just *seems* like none. > just the artists I worked with until now aha, something i've been saying for a long time, that pete no longer wishes to work with *new* people just the old men's club he's been working with for the last 8 years or whatever. bill laswell has got to be over 50 by now :-) and i know KS is over 50. > but no additional > stuff as long as it is not "super-exceptional". ha ha. and what, the last 2 years worth of stuff has been "super-exceptional"????? ha ha ha ha ha. maybe you should *define* "super-exceptional" pete. the really funny thing is that when i look back over the last couple of years, the very few sublabel releases that actually did come out are some of the better stuff on fax, waiting for snow, jochem paap (#1 not the dreadful #2), audio, the spyra stuff, a few duds sure but .... > there will be more Spyra stuff soon.. i.e. uhh, well, more spyra is cool but 1 or 2 sublabel releases per year is pretty week so i guess the "i.e." means i.e., no more sublabel, get my drift? wink wink" > yours Peter no, yours peter, keep up the good work! (wink wink) steve. (i love fax ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:07:34 +0100 From: Edward Jones Subject: RE: (fax) sublabel still breathing It's just a shame that the same quality control that Pete is exercising on the sublabel is not being applied to his own output..... I love fax, too! It's just on occasions I don't like it...... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:06:27 +0100 From: "Corbin, Nick (CAP, EEF)" Subject: RE: (fax) sublabel still breathing >the really funny thing is that when i look back over the last couple of years, the very few >sublabel releases that actually did come out are some of the better stuff on fax, waiting for >snow, jochem paap (#1 not the dreadful #2)... Hey Steve! Vrs Mbnt Pcs 2 ain't dreadful!! Even if you don't like the last two tracks, how could anyone dislike 'Dx-Snth'? A perfect perfect emotional track - pure bliss. Nick This e-mail is intended for the addressee(s) named above only. As this e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, if you are not the named addressee(s) or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee(s), please telephone us immediately. The contents of this e-mail should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:34:19 From: "Jeff Shoemaker" Subject: RE: (fax) sublabel still breathing >bill laswell has got to be over 50 by now :-) >and i know KS is over 50. do you mean age, or number of releases on FAX? ;) -jeff _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:36:52 -0400 From: "Luckabaugh, Steve" Subject: RE: (fax) sublabel still breathing > >snow, jochem paap (#1 not the dreadful #2)... > > > Hey Steve! Vrs Mbnt Pcs 2 ain't dreadful!! Even if you don't > like the last two tracks, how could anyone dislike 'Dx-Snth'? > A perfect perfect emotional track - pure bliss. ha ha well i guess to each his own but ok 6 minutes of good music and 46 minutes of crap make it dreadful in my book but like i say, to each his own. steve. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:42:36 +0100 From: "Corbin, Nick (CAP, EEF)" Subject: RE: (fax) sublabel still breathing > >snow, jochem paap (#1 not the dreadful #2)... > > > Hey Steve! Vrs Mbnt Pcs 2 ain't dreadful!! Even if you don't > like the last two tracks, how could anyone dislike 'Dx-Snth'? > A perfect perfect emotional track - pure bliss. >ha ha well i guess to each his own but ok 6 minutes of good music and 46 >minutes of crap make it dreadful in my book but like i say, to each his own. Take the rough with the smooth, but I know what you mean. I still wouldn't get rid of it though... Nick This e-mail is intended for the addressee(s) named above only. As this e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, if you are not the named addressee(s) or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee(s), please telephone us immediately. The contents of this e-mail should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:16:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Osborne Subject: [none] > What's wrong with Dr. Atmo & > Ramin's "Semarra"(40 minutes) and the > entire "Cymatic Scan" (61 minutes) album, > anyway? I bought Cymatic Scan on half.com for $1.09. It wasn't even worth that. It's an hour of basically nothing, and although it's probably sacreligious to say here, I almost don't even consider it to be music. I listened to it once and decided there's very little to explore. It's really boring...I don't know anyone who could sit down and listen to it and say, "Wow, that's a great piece of work." Why should I waste my time on an hour of anemic noise when there's so much music out there that's actually musical? forcasa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:21:43 -0400 From: "Luckabaugh, Steve" Subject: (fax) cymatic scan > I bought Cymatic Scan on half.com for $1.09. It > wasn't even worth that. It's an hour of > basically nothing, and although it's probably > sacreligious to say here, I almost don't even > consider it to be music. mmmkay. > I listened to it once and decided there's very > little to explore. It's really boring...I don't > know anyone who could sit down and listen to it > and say, "Wow, that's a great piece of work." > Why should I waste my time on an hour of anemic > noise when there's so much music out there that's > actually musical? um, well i can sit down and listen to it and say "wow, that's a great piece of work." i actually listen to a good bit of music, er um i mean noise, that could be considered "not musical" but hey, that's just me. all you kids and your noise! :-) steve. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:44:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Phonaut Subject: (fax) Re: your mail > I bought Cymatic Scan on half.com for $1.09. It > wasn't even worth that. It's an hour of > basically nothing, and although it's probably > sacreligious to say here, I almost don't even > consider it to be music. no need to refer to it as music if the term offends you. there's a whole world of sound like this, often referred to as 'Dark Ambient'. Other landmarks in the craft are Lustmord's solo "The Place Where the Black Stars Hang" and the Lustmord/R.Rich collab "Stalker". There are many labels devoted entirely to this sort of thing. > I listened to it once and decided there's very > little to explore. It's really boring...I don't that says a lot in itself, listening to something once and then immediately discounting it. I'd suggest another listen, perhaps after some time has passed. What you are hearing is an impromtu session, totally not planned. In fact, when Tetsu suggested 'shall we begin?' Laswell responded 'it's already done'. [paraphrased] More then a handful of times has something i listened to for the first time later become a favorite. In a few cases, i found myself re-buying discs i had sold earlier on after my initial unimpressed listen(s). There are many reasons why this might happen. One might be that the mind isn't really 'primed' to hear out the sounds/structures that draw others to it. But maybe you just don't like the murky brooding ambient stuff, no big deal really, lots of 'non-dark-ambient' on Fax ;-) > know anyone who could sit down and listen to it > and say, "Wow, that's a great piece of work." I know lots of people who would... but so what? If you like it/don't like it, what other people think shouldn't really matter.. > Why should I waste my time on an hour of anemic > noise when there's so much music out there that's > actually musical? Define what you mean by 'music' i guess is the crux of the matter here. Everyone's definition is different, often informed by what they enjoy as music. I have no definition of music, as i find myself listening to random microphone recordings the same i would listen to an album of 'music' Often, music is just sound with a frame around it. n. np: Rapoon 'Fallen Gods' . . . . . . ..... . . . . . . Official Tetsu Inoue Homepage, RadioShow Playlists, and Trades @: http://ww1.math.luc.edu/~njurcin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:39:03 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: (fax) Cymatic Scan >... why should I waste my time on an hour of anemic >noise when there's so much music out there that's >actually musical? Can't comment on Cymatic Scan itself ... it's one of just half a dozen full length Fax titles that I have not heard (most reviews persuade me that I wouldn't enjoy it) so I have *some* sympathy for your opinion. However, I don't neccesarily feel that being 'noise' as opposed to 'musical' (and I'm assuming here that you mean having some type of recognisable melody or, at least some traditionally defined qualities) is a reason for dismissing CS in itself. After all, Koner's work for example is basically 'noise' yet it transcends (by a long chalk imo) 99% of mainstream matter ... and the greater portion of so called ambient works come to that. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:48:09 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: Re: (fax) Re: your mail > Ifound myself re-buying discs i had sold earlier on after my > initial unimpressed listen(s). ah, the familiar ring ! ... and in the case of Fax releases that can be a very painful (financially) exercise indeed ... I know !!!!!!!! > np: Rapoon 'Fallen Gods' How does that compare with Easterly 6 or 7 then, which I find I can only enjoy when listening to late at night, when it's *really* quiet? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 01:33:47 +0900 From: Zachary Braverman Subject: Re: (fax) Re: your mail Ha! I'm listening to Easterly 6 or 7 at this very moment, here in Japan where it is 1:30 at night, and am enjoying it for the first time, probably since everything here is so deathly still.... > > How does that compare with Easterly 6 or 7 then, which I find > I can only enjoy when listening to late at night, when it's > *really* quiet? > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:36:27 -0500 From: "Jonathan Osborne" Subject: (fax) Re: Cymatic Scan - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phonaut" To: "Jonathan Osborne" Cc: Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 10:44 AM Subject: Re: your mail > > I bought Cymatic Scan on half.com for $1.09. It > > wasn't even worth that. It's an hour of > > basically nothing, and although it's probably > > sacreligious to say here, I almost don't even > > consider it to be music. > > no need to refer to it as music if the term offends you. > there's a whole world of sound like this, often referred > to as 'Dark Ambient'. Other landmarks in the craft are > Lustmord's solo "The Place Where the Black Stars Hang" > and the Lustmord/R.Rich collab "Stalker". There are > many labels devoted entirely to this sort of thing. Yeah, I listened to Lustmord once...also extremely boring. > > I listened to it once and decided there's very > > little to explore. It's really boring...I don't > > that says a lot in itself, listening to something once and > then immediately discounting it. I'd suggest another listen, > perhaps after some time has passed. > > What you are hearing is an impromtu session, totally not planned. > In fact, when Tetsu suggested 'shall we begin?' Laswell responded > 'it's already done'. [paraphrased] Right, there's a lot of music out there that's almost all improvised. The first album I think of is Kind of Blue. I don't know...it just seems like there was very little effort and creativity put into Cymatic Scan. Of course there are people who'll say it's a masterpiece, that it's brilliant, etc. Unless I'm just completely bored or something, it's waste of time to listen to, IMHO. forcasa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:53:32 -0400 From: "Luckabaugh, Steve" Subject: RE: (fax) Re: Cymatic Scan > Right, there's a lot of music out there that's almost all > improvised. The first album I think of is Kind of Blue. hey wait a minute pal, say what you want about cymatic scan but don't touch Miles Davis or we're going to have to take it outside! steve. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:03:11 -0500 From: "Jonathan Osborne" Subject: (fax) Re: Cymatic Scan - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luckabaugh, Steve" To: "Jonathan Osborne" ; Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 11:53 AM Subject: RE: (fax) Re: Cymatic Scan > > > Right, there's a lot of music out there that's almost all > > improvised. The first album I think of is Kind of Blue. > > hey wait a minute pal, say what you want about cymatic scan but don't touch > Miles Davis or we're going to have to take it outside! Have you read the Ashley Kahn book about Kind of Blue? It's pretty interesting. It's amazing he was able to write an entire book about one album, but it gave me an even deeper respect for the music than I already had. Speaking of Miles and Cymatic Scan...I haven't heard much of Laswell's stuff, but anyone who attempts to remix Miles Davis (especially his 70s work) cannot be far from insanity. The scary thing is, Panthalassa is actually not that bad. :) forcasa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:11:14 EDT From: Chrisknow1@aol.com Subject: (fax) Movie samples Sorry if I missed these the first time around, but does anyone know which films Jet Chamber 5 (I Miss Green) and Fires of Ork2 used samples from? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 20:16:33 -0700 From: "Raphael Almeria" Subject: RE: (fax) sublabel still breathing >>there will be more Spyra stuff soon. >As it's, by definition, "super-exceptional" I'm look forward - >especially as I felt his last two Fax outings (Etherlands & >VV2) were okay but, somewhat inferior to his earlier stuff on Fax. Everyone's a critic! It is too bad Namlook hasn't figured out a way to engineer music. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:02:03 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: (fax) Laswell >Speaking of Miles and Cymatic Scan...I haven't heard much of Laswell's >stuff, but anyone who attempts to remix Miles Davis (especially his 70s >work) cannot be far from insanity. The scary thing is, Panthalassa is >actually not that bad. Laswell's "retranslation" of Davis early 70's work is an admirable effort in the sense of bringing pieces from different sources together in a coherent and accessible way. I enjoy the album in question, although not as much as Silent Way or Jack Johnson for example. I think Laswell did a much more admirable job with his Bob Marley ambient dub thing ... now that really eleveted some already great work. Mind you, I've said before on this list (more than once) Laswell is a better technician than he is a musician imo. ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2001 #71 ******************************* --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org