From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2001 #72 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Tuesday, May 15 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 072 Re: (fax) sublabel still breathing (fax) Cymatic Scan + Time (squared) RE: (fax) Time (squared) Re: (fax) Time (squared) RE: (fax) Time (squared) Re: (fax) Time (squared) (fax) WIRED Re: (fax) Time (cubed) RE: (fax) Time (squared) (fax) Cymatic Scan review (fax) h=?ISO-8859-1?B?9g==?=r zu RE: (fax) Shades 3 RE: (fax) Shades 3 RE: (fax) Shades 3 RE: (fax) Shades 3 Re: (fax) Cymatic Scan taste test RE: (fax) Shades 3 RE: (fax) 50%ers RE: (fax) Shades 3 Re: (fax) Laswell (fax) Less than sympathetic partners! RE: (fax) Less than sympathetic partners! RE: (fax) 50%ers RE: (fax) 50%ers (fax) To keep 'em or not to keep 'em Re: (fax) 50%ers Re: (fax) 50%ers (one more thing) (fax) Woob 2 RE: (fax) 50%ers (fax) Peter Benisch : Waiting for Snow Re: (fax) 50%ers Re: (fax) Shades 3 (fax) Outland series (fax) C.U.E. RE: (fax) Peter Benisch : Waiting for Snow Re: (fax) C.U.E. Re: (fax) C.U.E. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:09:12 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: Re: (fax) sublabel still breathing >> I felt his (Spyra's) last two outings were okay >> but, inferior to his earlier stuff on Fax. >Everyone's a critic! It is too bad Namlook hasn't figured out a >way to engineer music. uh? Elucidate please. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:43:57 +0100 From: "Corbin, Nick (CAP, EEF)" Subject: (fax) Cymatic Scan + Time (squared) Hi Everyone - I didn't think that a disc like Cymatic Scan (a pretty inoffensive release really) would provoke such a big discussion, but I suppose it's more to do with the principle of writing off any music as 'rubbish' rather than what's on the disc itself... personally I was disappointed with it after hearing *so* much brilliant Inoue stuff, but after some more listens there's some nice stuff in it that rewards the listener. > I found myself re-buying discs i had sold earlier on after my > initial unimpressed listen(s). >ah, the familiar ring ! ... and in the case of Fax releases >that can be a very painful (financially) exercise indeed ... >I know !!!!!!!! Also disappointed (shock horror!) with Time(squared) as I was expecting another Inoue/Namlook masterpiece, and after a few listens decided I wasn't going to keep it. But after seeing various posts on the list singing its praises I'm actively hunting it down - hopefully it won't prove to be *too* expensive a mistake. I'm always amazed that with some music (esp Fax) if you don't catch it at the right time/aren't in the right mood etc, you can completely miss something that you later think is absolutely brilliant... definitely the case with many discs, esp 'Art Of Dream' on 2350 Broadway 2 which seemed a bit of a task to listen to 60mins of soundscapes, until I dozed off to it and found myself listening to it whilst asleep - if that makes any sense. It's a total total classic imo. Nick This e-mail is intended for the addressee(s) named above only. As this e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, if you are not the named addressee(s) or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee(s), please telephone us immediately. The contents of this e-mail should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:21:35 -0400 From: "Luckabaugh, Steve" Subject: RE: (fax) Time (squared) i've always seen this one referred to as "time (squared)" and i understand that because of the way it's written on the cd (the 'time' with the raised 2) but i've always called it and thought of it as Times Square, you know like as in new york and considering tetsu's loose affiliation with new york, and pete's whole 2350 broadway thing, it just made sense to me. any one else feel this way or am i all alone in this? anyone know for sure? steve. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:00:29 EDT From: Chrisknow1@aol.com Subject: Re: (fax) Time (squared) It IS "Time Square(d)"--time "squared" mathematically, and also refers to Times Square in NY, hence the interior booklet's photo. One of the best titled FAX releases for sure! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:01:34 -0400 From: "Luckabaugh, Steve" Subject: RE: (fax) Time (squared) > It IS "Time Square(d)"--time "squared" mathematically what's the point of that tho? i mean to me Times Square makes sense but the other way doesn't. steve. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:12:33 EDT From: Chrisknow1@aol.com Subject: Re: (fax) Time (squared) Kind of a play on words, I think. I'm still waiting for Time3 (Time to the Third Power!) - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 00:24:02 +1000 From: "andre@faxlabel.com" Subject: (fax) WIRED the new move D namlook V CD titled Wired will be out next. ive got it in MP3 and i think its a vast improvement on the audiolounge.. moufang makes some awesome breakbeats using quite glitchy sounds but sequenced traditionally .. there is a nice slow 4/4 track on it as well... andre@faxlabel.com Australian distribution & mailorder for Fax + 49-69/450464 Germany http://www.hyperreal.org/fax/ http://www.2350.org fax email list - mailto:faxlist-request@2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:21:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Phonaut Subject: Re: (fax) Time (cubed) On Tue, 15 May 2001 Chrisknow1@aol.com wrote: > Kind of a play on words, I think. I'm still waiting for Time3 (Time to the > Third Power!) on a whim, i decided to check if anyone had actually used the word 'timecubed' in their album title, another electronic music album was pulled up: Klaenge: Time Cube In Time Square weird... anyone heard it? German Techno?? n. np: :Zoviet*France: The Decriminalisation of Country Music . . . . . . ..... . . . . . . Official Tetsu Inoue Homepage, RadioShow Playlists, and Trades @: http://ww1.math.luc.edu/~njurcin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:24:09 +0100 From: "Corbin, Nick (CAP, EEF)" Subject: RE: (fax) Time (squared) > I'm still waiting for Time3 (Time to the Third Power!) But that'd mean we'd need Time to the First Power as well! To be honest, I wouldn't care what the disc was called if it meant that there was a new Namlook/Inoue collaboration... This e-mail is intended for the addressee(s) named above only. As this e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, if you are not the named addressee(s) or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee(s), please telephone us immediately. The contents of this e-mail should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:54:39 +0100 From: Rowland Atkinson Subject: (fax) Cymatic Scan review The last few comments set me a-pondering, particular as I felt that I could relate to the positive and negative comments so... Review/comments of Cymatic scan: This is an interesting debate, I discounted this one after scanning through on my cd player looking for the 'chunks' of music that never appeared. Thoroughly vexed I quikly traded the disc to some 'sucker' who loved Inoue (hope you are not on this list! but the stroy will soon become clear). Later I read Toop's book Exotica which talks about the recording session, as Noah says they basically 'tuned up' and Laswell realised that they had created a spontaneous moment worthy of laying on to cd. My most recent impressions have been coloured by this re-reading of the disc, the downward moving soft basslines and deep sub-bass need either careful attention or left as aural wallpaper. I would put this disc cloe alongside the ultra-minimal Live at Sel i/s/c, both have given listener satisfaction but I wouldn't pretend that they can serve as regular audio fare. My recipe for satisfaction: relax, this isnt going to pick up pace or throw any huge surprises. look out for the subtle guitar/bass changes that occur and the deepening of the atmospherics that increase as the piece moves on. Isolate yourself, when in a cerebral mood, in a rainy urban location. Open a bottle of red and breath in the microtonal atmospheres and act like one of the ambient cognoscenti! rA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 01:06:43 +1000 From: "andre@faxlabel.com" Subject: (fax) h=?ISO-8859-1?B?9g==?=r zu > This is an interesting debate, I discounted this one after scanning through > on my cd player looking for the 'chunks' of music that never appeared. > Thoroughly vexed I quikly traded the disc to some 'sucker' who loved Inoue.. A FATAL MISTAKE! i did this with shades of orion 3.. got it again after a trusted friend was blown away... so the 2nd time i LISTENED to it.. its now a lifetime favourite.. (i havent learnt my lesson though) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:12:07 +0100 From: "Corbin, Nick (CAP, EEF)" Subject: RE: (fax) Shades 3 >A FATAL MISTAKE! >i did this with shades of orion 3.. got it again after a trusted friend was >blown away... so the 2nd time i LISTENED to it.. its now a lifetime >favourite.. The 2nd track is amazing and creates a really emotionally charged atmosphere - - quite a different feel to Shades 2 but just as deep. >(i havent learnt my lesson though) Who has? I can't believe that everyone can instantly 'tune in' to the music straight away. Part of the reward is the journey to find it... Oops, gettin' a bit deep! Nick This e-mail is intended for the addressee(s) named above only. As this e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, if you are not the named addressee(s) or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee(s), please telephone us immediately. The contents of this e-mail should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:20:37 -0400 From: "Luckabaugh, Steve" Subject: RE: (fax) Shades 3 > >(i havent learnt my lesson though) > > Who has? I can't believe that everyone can instantly 'tune > in' to the music straight away. i don't think it's an issue of getting into it straight away it may just be an issue of holding onto the cd for a year or so and giving yourself some time with it. not everybody is like you guys that give stuff up after 1 listen or a week or 2. i think if your attention span is that short, you *should* have to pay extra to get the cd back :-) ha ha. just kidding. but how do you know that the only reason you really want it back so badly is BECAUSE you once had it and now you don't? i know for myself there have been some cds i had and had given up, then wanted them back and had blown them up in my mind to be better then they really were, then when i got them back, was only disappointed again. think of that one. steve. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:28:41 +0100 From: "Corbin, Nick (CAP, EEF)" Subject: RE: (fax) Shades 3 >not everybody is like you guys that give stuff up after 1 listen or a week or 2. i think if >your attention span is that short, you *should* have to pay extra to get the cd back :-) ha ha. >just kidding. but how do you know that the only reason you really want it back so badly is >BECAUSE you once had it and now you don't? i know for myself there have been some cds i had and >had given up, then wanted them back and had blown them up in my mind to be better then they >really were, then when i got them back, was only disappointed again. think of that one. Steve! You've just done what you accused us of doing, but in reverse! Not that I'm saying I've got a very short attention span but....erm....I've forgotten what I was talking about ;-) I think it's just a case of finding the time to listen to a CD that you've listened to before and not been very impressed with, when you could listen to something else you already regard as a 'lifetime classic'... This e-mail is intended for the addressee(s) named above only. As this e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, if you are not the named addressee(s) or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee(s), please telephone us immediately. The contents of this e-mail should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:39:49 -0400 From: "Luckabaugh, Steve" Subject: RE: (fax) Shades 3 > Steve! You've just done what you accused us of doing, but in > reverse! ha ha. well i'm not saying i've never given up a cd, i don't think there's anybody that has NEVER sold off a cd, what i'm saying is there are people out there (and you know who you are) that sell off 50% or more of the cds they buy and then there are the people who sell off 1-2% that don't appeal to them. i'm the 1-2% type (with fax anyway). fax cds are like good wine, they only get better with age :-) steve. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:12:41 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: Re: (fax) Cymatic Scan taste test >Open a bottle of red and...act like one of the ambient cognoscenti or... a bottle of cognac, for the cognate whose palates lean toward something more fortified. Paul (the man who traded 'Slow & Low' for an in-print !!!!!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:43:11 +0100 From: Edward Jones Subject: RE: (fax) Shades 3 And like good wine, some become enjoyable, where as others become still more unenjoyable..... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:42:40 +0100 From: "Corbin, Nick (CAP, EEF)" Subject: RE: (fax) 50%ers >what i'm saying is there are people out there (and you know who you are) that sell off 50% or >more of the cds they buy and then there are the people who sell off 1-2% that don't appeal >to them. i'm the 1-2% type (with fax anyway). These people are important though - big sale/trade lists mean we can our hands on some super-rare discs... >fax cds are like good wine, they only get better with age :-) Can't say fairer than that - anyone with any better analogies?? Nick This e-mail is intended for the addressee(s) named above only. As this e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, if you are not the named addressee(s) or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee(s), please telephone us immediately. The contents of this e-mail should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:46:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian E. Kirby" Subject: RE: (fax) Shades 3 However, they're never really any use over salad... - --- Edward Jones wrote: > And like good wine, some become enjoyable, where as > others become still more > unenjoyable..... > --- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:05:22 -0400 (EDT) From: laerm Subject: Re: (fax) Laswell On Tue, 15 May 2001, Paul Milligan wrote: > Laswell's "retranslation" of Davis early 70's work is an admirable > effort in the sense of bringing pieces from different sources together > in a coherent and accessible way. I enjoy the album in question, > although not as much as Silent Way or Jack Johnson for example. I > think Laswell did a much more admirable job with his Bob Marley > ambient dub thing ... now that really eleveted some already great > work. Mind you, I've said before on this list (more than once) Laswell > is a better technician than he is a musician imo. i never realy got into miles (coltrane and coleman did so much more for me) but i liked what laswell did. and yes, the marley laswell project was top-notch - one of the most consistent releases i've ever heard. laswell is probably more skilled as a "technician" than a "musician" - but these days, in any kind of electronic music, they're practically the same thing. and on a related note, laswell joined jah wobble here in nyc last night - mm, that was quite a gig... micah stupak /"\ laerm@soulfood.org ascii ribbon campaign \ / international bright young kook against HTML email X / \ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:39:16 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: (fax) Less than sympathetic partners! >> Fax cds are like good wine, they only get better with age > Can't say fairer than that - anyone with any better analogies? Well my missus always says my Fax cd collection is "dead weird" and "even more effective than the kids for inducing a headache". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:15:11 +0100 From: Edward Jones Subject: RE: (fax) Less than sympathetic partners! You're lucky your missus stops at "dead weird". Mine is rather more scathing in her assessment of the finer points of much of the FAX pantheon..... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:00:43 -0400 From: "Conlon, Timothy J" Subject: RE: (fax) 50%ers Not necessarily disagreeing....but a lot of "classics" loose their stuff years later. The technology used to generate them becomes old and they sound weak in comparison to newer titles. Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: Corbin, Nick (CAP, EEF) [SMTP:Nick.Corbin@gecapital.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 11:43 AM > To: 'faxlist@2350.org' > Subject: RE: (fax) 50%ers > > > > > > >what i'm saying is there are people out there (and you know who you are) > that sell off 50% or >more of the cds they buy and then there are the > people who sell off 1-2% that don't appeal > >to them. i'm the 1-2% type (with fax anyway). > > These people are important though - big sale/trade lists mean we can our > hands on some super-rare discs... > > > >fax cds are like good wine, they only get better with age :-) > > > Can't say fairer than that - anyone with any better analogies?? > > > Nick > > > This e-mail is intended for the addressee(s) named above only. As this > e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, if you are not > the named addressee(s) or the person responsible for delivering the > message > to the named addressee(s), please telephone us immediately. The contents > of > this e-mail should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. > > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:25:04 -0400 From: Burton Thomas Subject: RE: (fax) 50%ers At 01:00 PM 5/15/01 -0400, you wrote: >Not necessarily disagreeing....but a lot of "classics" loose their stuff >years later. The technology used to generate them becomes old and they >sound weak in comparison to newer titles. > >Tim I think that this is generally true, but I have recently been surprised by how much I enjoy going back to the stuff I listened to thirty years ago. Some of it sounds not only contemporary, but amazingly fresh. Burt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:37:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Schefflan Subject: (fax) To keep 'em or not to keep 'em I NEVER sell ANY of my CDs--I just can't part with 'em, even if I hate them (fortunately, there are very few). Besides, all Fax stuff becomes a collector's item anyway, so why, then, sell/get rid of it even if you don't like it. As we know, many of 'em are worth bookoo bucks! Peace. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:48:22 -0400 From: "{`JACKTHETAB`}" Subject: Re: (fax) 50%ers I disagree (always has to be someone right?) I tend to find that alot of new material (fax or otherwise) tends to lack originality and excitement. The instrumentation my be newer....but that is as far as it goes. Newer doesnt mean fresher sounding.... jackthetab i think therefore i ambient #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_________________TRIBAL________________\ http://www.superior.net/~zothboy si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:52:01 -0400 From: "{`JACKTHETAB`}" Subject: Re: (fax) 50%ers (one more thing) by the way, I did the top ambient albums of all time back in 1999, and if you look at it...there was not too much newer material. Alot of the music tended to be old timers :-) I guess it depends on what you call a classic as well... anyways...here is that list if you care to take a peak http://www.superior.net/~zothboy/AMBIENT1999.html jackthetab i think therefore i ambient #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_________________TRIBAL________________\ http://www.superior.net/~zothboy si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:53:20 -0400 From: Burton Thomas Subject: (fax) Woob 2 Oh what the heck, I might as well jump into the fray over Woob 2. I have a mint copy (it may even be sealed, yet) to trade. My want list is all Fax: PK08/ 54 Air (CD) PK08/ 73 Sequential (CD) PS08/ 23 Sad World (CD) PS08/ 31 Datacide PW05 2350 Broadway (2CD). Please respond privately if interested. Thank you very much. Burt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:42:35 -0400 From: "Luckabaugh, Steve" Subject: RE: (fax) 50%ers > Not necessarily disagreeing....but a lot of "classics" loose > their stuff > years later. The technology used to generate them becomes > old and they sound weak in comparison to newer titles. newer technology? like the big moog that pete recently bought from klaus schulze? nothing like a synth that's 40 years old to juice up your sound huh? steve. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:21:14 -0500 From: "Jonathan Osborne" Subject: (fax) Peter Benisch : Waiting for Snow I'm here to offer my review of "Waiting for Snow" by Peter Bensich, released on Fax records, January 1999. I know it's an older release, but I just got it, and I think it deserves a good review. There are several songs on this magical album that reward multiple listenings. Here's a track-by-track analysis . . . Part 1 (8.00): Very slow, droning intro. Lazily, a metallic rhythm builds . . . the droning gives way to a lovely melody on strings. The percussion stays fairly subdued throughout the entire track, then drops out and the song fades in a quiet drone. The melody here makes me think of winter, and an impending snow storm. I can imagine a cold, gray sky looming overhead when I listen to this track. Definitely a high point on this recording. Part 2 (5.16): Begins with a mechanical, repetitive rhythm, with a register tone in the background. This is almost a slow dance track. Soon, a sad, short melody appears and gets repeated along the length of the song. Cool little synth flairs appear near the end of the track. Nicer song at the end than at the beginning. Part 3 (4.48): This is great... An uptempo, very dancey (is that a word?) beat takes hold with a thoughtful melody riding on top, and some obscure voice samples. This would make great night driving music, watching the lines on the highway whisk past your car with headlights beaming into the distance. Really nice percussion on this track. A definite highlight of the album. Part 4 (4.15): Part 4 starts with an electric, ominous melody. Some skittering beats are added to the mix. The strings return here, and place another layer of omen on the underlying dark melody. The strings end the song on a fast fadeout. This is probably not a big highlight on the album, but it does continue dark, mysterious tone. Part 5 (3.40): Starts with a sad, two-note fluttering melody and bird-like cries. The rhythm is held up by what sort of sounds like someone walking across thin snow or leaves. Not a lot going on here, and the song ends uneventfully. Part 6 (2.46): The album's shortest track is an acapella string etude. This is quite pleasant and might be thought of as the mid-album rest. Part 7 (4.44): A bunch of chimes open this, and soon some nice percussion kicks in. The weird voice samples are back, with a two-note droning melody in the background. The chimes return a few times and give way to a forlorn repetitive synth melody. Another lesser track here. Part 8 (4.48): Begins with a very funky, very IDM-like rhythm. An annoying little melody plays along for a while, and thankfully disappears to reveal one of the album's best tracks. Another awesome melody begins a bit later, and continues the same mood introduced on the first track. This is really spectacular. I can imagine sitting atop a barn on the north shore of Lake Superior, late in the afternoon on an overcast November day . . . watching the gray clouds move slowly overhead, and gradually, snowflakes appear . . . and give way to a slow, steady snowfall. If anyone here has ever played Final Fantasy 3 on SNES . . . that part in the intro where three of the players are trudging along through a blizzard in a forest . . . this song really evokes memories of that, and of what winter feels like. Amazing track. Definitely needs to be listened to multiple times. It's tracks like these that make me love IDM . . . and the images these tracks can create in my mind. Part 9 (4.34): This is also a good track, but doesn't quite live up to the previous one. This one's more about rhythm than melody, although a very nice background tone can be heard through much of it. Not very memorable. Part 10 (6.36): Starts out with what we've now come to know as a signature Peter Benisch rhythm. Kind of a slow, watery feel, and not completely undanceable. Unfortuntely, this track is sort of ruined for me by the melody. At times it's good, but it's mainly just dumb. I usually skip this one. Part 11 (6.47): Flickering metallic noises open the album's last track. This keeps up, and a distant register melody is played in the background. Perhaps this is after the storm, and everything's buried in 20 feet of light, fluffy snow. This is probably the album's most melancholy song. The sad, depressing melody gets louder as the track wears on, but the song doesn't really do much in its near seven-minute length. The metal keeps on until the end of the track and quitely ends. A fitting end to an emotional album. Overall, my favorite tracks are 1, 3 and 8, but there's really not an unpleasant moment here. I wonder how much the title of the album has influenced the images that its songs have created for me. I get a similar effect with Boards of Canada. Their track titles can really help conjure up some interesting pictures while I listen to the music (especially tracks like Telephasic Workshop, Chinook and roygbiv). This is something that a band like Autechre is deficient in. I think track titles (or album titles in this case) can really add to the mood. If this album was called "Zvxyqdr 16" or something, I would probably never have imagined the things I did while listening. If you can find this album (emusic.com has it), I'd highly recommend it, if simply for mood and imagination alone. forcasa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 07:58:53 +0900 From: Zachary Braverman Subject: Re: (fax) 50%ers On 01.5.16 2:25 AM, "Burton Thomas" wrote: > At 01:00 PM 5/15/01 -0400, you wrote: >> Not necessarily disagreeing....but a lot of "classics" loose their stuff >> years later. The technology used to generate them becomes old and they >> sound weak in comparison to newer titles. >> >> Tim > I just can't agree with this at all. Does a Bach Piano piece sound out of date because the Piano is now old technology? If the *music* is good, then it doesn't matter if newer and better synths or computers come out, because it's not the synths that make the music, it's the humans. And if the human making the music is good and talented, then that music will always be good. Selected Ambient Works I is a prime example. It sounds like it was created on a $50 Casio, but it still rocks. Zachary Braverman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:53:34 EDT From: Chrisknow1@aol.com Subject: Re: (fax) Shades 3 Shades3 is an album no one in their right mind should ever give up! Besides, if you do so now you may never see it again, so hold on to it, and PLAY LOUD!!! - --Chris K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:17:15 EDT From: Chrisknow1@aol.com Subject: (fax) Outland series Has anyone noticed this series progressively got worse? To me, the first one was a perfect blend of mind-blowing Laswellian bass excursions, with some of the finest Namlook atmospheres ever. O2 was pretty good stuff, except for the somewhat cheesy synthetic tribal beats. At this point, I believe Laswell and Pete were still in the same studio, collaborating live. O3--the beginning of the end, where I find it hard to believe Laswell had much of anything to do with the production, his parts sounding like they were recorded years earlier and pasted here and there. And what's with all that goofy sci-fi crap? O4--A major disappointment, take the problems with O3 and multiply by 10. Totally uninspired, despite having the usual ingredients and excellent sound quality. So, I hereby vote the first Outland to be the next AW release! P.S.: Anyone know if there are plans for any more Laswell/Namlook collabs.? - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:20:01 EDT From: Chrisknow1@aol.com Subject: (fax) C.U.E. Whatever happened to C.U.E.???? Here's your "cue" (hee hee!!)... - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:39:11 -0700 From: "Raphael Almeria" Subject: RE: (fax) Peter Benisch : Waiting for Snow >Overall, my favorite tracks are 1, 3 and 8, but there's really not an I have to agree! Track 3 is Wunderbar!!! >influenced the images that its songs have created for me. I get a similar >effect with Boards of Canada. Their track titles can really help conjure up Funny, I've been listening to it constantly for the past two days and it has that feel of minimalist Depeche Mode electronica for me. - -R ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:56:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Warren Lapham Subject: Re: (fax) C.U.E. On Tue, 15 May 2001 Chrisknow1@aol.com wrote: > Whatever happened to C.U.E.???? Here's your "cue" (hee hee!!)... Last I heard (about a year ago), he was moving from San Francisco to London to design clothes. - -w. - -- Warren Lapham. . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:14:04 +1000 From: "andre@faxlabel.com" Subject: Re: (fax) C.U.E. > Last I heard (about a year ago), he was moving from San Francisco to > London to design clothes. yes apparently he's in the UK.. i havent heard from him for over 15 months also and i think ive sent him a few mails to the faxlabel.com account and no one answered. ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2001 #72 ******************************* --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org