From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2001 #80 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Wednesday, May 30 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 080 (fax) hyperreal.org/fax update (fax) What Pete says about mp3 Re: (fax) What Pete says about mp3 Re: (fax) What Pete says about mp3 Re: (fax) What Pete says about mp3 (fax) Fax for sale/trade RE: (fax) What Pete says about mp3 Re: (fax) What Pete says about mp3 Re: (fax) What Pete says about mp3 (fax) 2 trades Re: (fax) What Pete says about mp3 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 04:47:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Hyp Nom Subject: (fax) hyperreal.org/fax update no update for hyperreal.org/fax since 2,5 months... ?! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 08:42:30 -0500 From: "Jonathan Osborne" Subject: (fax) What Pete says about mp3 For anyone who was wondering, this should close the deal. Here are Namlook's words regarding trading albums that are out-of-print via mp3: - ---------- Hi, thank you for your kind words. the Sublabel is mostly licensed material for which I don't have the right to exploit for a long time (as I only do deals fair for the artist). On other material (sublabel) I negotiated with the artists regarding the MP3 trade. The general idea to trade out of print material via MP3 is not problematic as the quality of the original is not being touched but at the same time you can get a good idea of what our music sounds like. The value for money is very good with MP3 .. but the original release stays the top quality of sound and a physical *original*. So nobody who invested in our music could really say .. look what Peter does .. I bought an old CD of FAX at a high price from some other guy and now everyone can download the tracks from the internet at a fraction of that price. To me personally it is *the solution* for out of print material and a possibility for everyone to obtain a good idea about FAX music at a low price. yours Peter - ---------- We already know that he supports mp3 because of all the stuff on emusic. Now he's opening it up for trading of stuff not on emusic because to him, it will never be as good as the original, physical CD. I think this says a lot about how he views the internet, and his fanbase in general. He's open to new ideas and puts the fans first. Pretty amazing considering the flip-side of the deal, which is the RIAA and the big record companies. Trade on! forcasa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:46:46 -0400 (EDT) From: laerm Subject: Re: (fax) What Pete says about mp3 On Tue, 29 May 2001, Jonathan Osborne wrote: > We already know that he supports mp3 because of all the stuff on > emusic. Now he's opening it up for trading of stuff not on emusic > because to him, it will never be as good as the original, physical CD. > I think this says a lot about how he views the internet, and his > fanbase in general. He's open to new ideas and puts the fans first. > Pretty amazing considering the flip-side of the deal, which is the > RIAA and the big record companies. cool. it's always so refreshing to see an artist i respect take an open-minded stance on an issue like this. micah stupak /"\ laerm@soulfood.org ascii ribbon campaign \ / international bright young kook against HTML email X / \ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:50:09 -0400 From: "{`JACKTHETAB`}" Subject: Re: (fax) What Pete says about mp3 too bad mp3's are terrible. The quality is less than desirable. jackthetab i think therefore i ambient #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_________________TRIBAL________________\ http://www.superior.net/~zothboy si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 20:53:26 +0200 From: Zozzy Subject: Re: (fax) What Pete says about mp3 On Tue, 29 May 2001 13:50:09 -0400, you wrote: >too bad mp3's are terrible. The quality is less than desirable. I find them great for reference... I'm trying to get an overall picture = of electronic, ambent, ethnic and new-age music ... and even just the fax = label is an immense task... I could spend months in record shops and visiting = concerts but it would mean sacrificing my family ;) I could just buy everything = that might be interesting but I'm not in a financial position to do so... So MP3's help me see the bigger picture as well as decide what CDs I want= to throw my cash at for a greater listening experience. That said.... I use Fraunhofer codes with SoundForge to create MP3s at = 320 kBit/s in HQ mode and I feel it would take a lot better ears than mine to= notice the slightest difference (I use Yamaha NS40 and Alesis monitor One = speakers) Its not particurlarly the format that is the culprit.... its the disk = space and connection speeds that have made 128 - 160 kBit/s the norm. On another subject... when Is Fax going to bring out a 7 hour DVD album = like Robert Rich has done... surely it's just a matter of time?=20 Zozzy=20 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Orblike - Orbitalesque - Art of Noise-ish =20 The Love Frequency: http://www.mp3.com/tlf ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 22:11:44 +0100 From: "David Calvert" Subject: (fax) Fax for sale/trade A few more Fax duplicates for sale or trade ... Koolfang "Jambient" (PK08/104) Elektro (PK08/109) Amp 12" (PK08/118) Softcore (PS08/53) Transonic 2 (PS08/67) Psychonavigation 4 (PW40) more at http://home.hiway.co.uk/boo I'm looking for ... Compilation 1 (PK08/01) Ambient Compilation 2 (PK08/02) Silence (PK08/25) Air (PK08/54) Silence II (PK08/68) Namlook at XS (PK08/78) 4 Voice (PK08/79) Hearts of Space (PK08/81) Namlook II (PK08/84) Best of XS Replugged (PK08/86) Gorn (PS08/29) Gamma (PS08/30) Dreamfish (PW02) From Within (PW11) Will consider 2 for 1 for most titles. Thanks for your time. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:18:02 -0700 From: "Raphael Almeria" Subject: RE: (fax) What Pete says about mp3 >On another subject... when Is Fax going to bring out a 7 hour DVD album >like Robert Rich has done... surely it's just a matter of time? Cool album....very relaxing. -R ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:42:04 +0900 From: Zachary Braverman Subject: Re: (fax) What Pete says about mp3 On 01.5.30 2:46 AM, "laerm" wrote: > On Tue, 29 May 2001, Jonathan Osborne wrote: > >> We already know that he supports mp3 because of all the stuff on >> emusic. Now he's opening it up for trading of stuff not on emusic >> because to him, it will never be as good as the original, physical CD. >> I think this says a lot about how he views the internet, and his >> fanbase in general. He's open to new ideas and puts the fans first. >> Pretty amazing considering the flip-side of the deal, which is the >> RIAA and the big record companies. > > cool. it's always so refreshing to see an artist i respect take an > open-minded stance on an issue like this. > It's open-minded, but don't forget that it's also a smart self-serving business decision. Given the fact that FAX-heads will be trading MP3's anyway, he might as well make money off licensing them to emusic. Also, the quality on emusic is poor enough to guarantee that these MP3's are not likely to be used as a substitute for original products. So he gets the best of both worlds: royalties from emusic AND the glut of poor quality MP3's resulting from that which will swamp out the higher-quality MP3's that might result in a loss of CD sales. ZB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 00:24:21 -0400 (EDT) From: alan r lucas Subject: Re: (fax) What Pete says about mp3 all depends on how they're encoded. at 128, they certainly do lose a lot of quality, but done at 320, they sound pretty darn good. you may as well not even listen to anything below 128, tho. i really wish emusic would do at least 192. oh well. alan! On Tue, 29 May 2001, {`JACKTHETAB`} wrote: > too bad mp3's are terrible. The quality is less than desirable. > > jackthetab > > i think therefore i ambient > #####\ _ /##### > #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# > ##### | /_woof/ | ##### > #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# > # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # > #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# > #####/ ######/ \###### \##### > /_________________TRIBAL________________\ > http://www.superior.net/~zothboy > si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes > > > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:42:02 +0100 From: Rowland Atkinson Subject: (fax) 2 trades Ive got copies of Whole Traffic 2 and Fonosandwich for trade, let me know if you are interested, cheers rA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:29:16 -0500 From: Subject: Re: (fax) What Pete says about mp3 <> actually, he should look into the program ampcast.com has where they'll print cd's on demand for $7 or something like that, and put the whole out of print catalog on ampcast ... the artists would still make their royalties and we don't have to deal with the inferior mp3 quality later, george ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2001 #80 ******************************* --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org