From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2002 #3 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Friday, January 4 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 003 Re: (fax) All Time Top Five Fax RE: (fax) All Time Top Five Fax Re: (fax) All Time Top Five Fax (fax) Re: FAX favourites (fax) International Fax Day (fax) RE: Namlook III question (fax) FAX TOP 5 Re: (fax) International Fax Day Re: (fax) RE: Namlook III question RE: (fax) RE: Namlook III question Re: (fax) International Fax Day (fax) top five Re: (fax) Re: Namlook III & AC II (fax) int fax day (fax) Int. Fax Day RE: (fax) Int. Fax Day RE: (fax) Re: Namlook III & AC II (fax) fax faves (fax) The Silver, The 5 for the gold, and the Plasm Awards (fax) Fax Galleria (fax) Sea Biscuit (fax) andre's 2 cents (fax) Sea Biscuit & Solitaire (fax) The List and Softcore (fax) International FAX day. RE: (fax) International FAX day. RE: (fax) International FAX day. RE: (fax) International FAX day. RE: (fax) International FAX day. RE: (fax) International FAX day. (fax) Ethics???? (fax) The Silver, The 5 for the gold, and the Plasm Awards (fax) Top 5 FAX (fax) Happy 10 Year Anniversary - FAX Records (fax) CD-Rs & Piracy RE: (fax) CD-Rs & Piracy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:32:13 +0000 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: Re: (fax) All Time Top Five Fax heh heh heh ... found a way to squeeze in 6 titles: 1. Shellground 2. Ambient Otaku 3. Aerial Service Area 1 4. Shades Of Orion 1 5. Jet Chamber 3 + Organic Cloud (a tie!) ... and a track? ... how about NGC 1961 (In Starless Space) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:14:34 -0000 From: Edward Jones Subject: RE: (fax) All Time Top Five Fax I see that Ambient Otaku seems to figure in most people's Top Fives. Not surprised at all! DISCLAIMER: The information in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or distribution of the message, or any action or omission taken by you in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please immediately contact the sender if you have received this message in error. Thank you. _____________________________________________________________________ (O)This message has been checked for all known viruses by MessageLabs. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 07:34:16 -0500 From: Spencer A Marks Subject: Re: (fax) All Time Top Five Fax This is a tough one. Today it is: ambient otaku outland organic cloud jambient dreamfish 2 but those are the titles that just came to mind as I thinking it right now. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 05:19:12 -0800 (PST) From: Hyp Nom Subject: (fax) Re: FAX favourites my current FAX favourites 1 Virtual Vices 3 2 Time^2 2 Shades of Orion 3 4 Silence 5 5 Wired (Move D & Namlook) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 12:56:04 +0000 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: (fax) International Fax Day Ref my own query about this, I've just checked the archives and, sure enough, it's the first Thursday in the New Year...so that's TODAY Faxheads! Theoretically, we should all be listening to as much (exclusively) Fax music as possible, unless this tradition is to go the way of so many others? For my part; thus far I've spun A Day In The Live and Whole Traffic 2. I'm hoping to get around to Fires Of Ork driving home from work and probably Shades Of Orion 2 (or, Aerial Service Area 2) for a late night session. Here's hoping Fax isn't dead ... like half those who've voted at Roy's Fax Galleria seem to think it is. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 05:34:15 -0800 (PST) From: Roy SeGuine Subject: (fax) RE: Namlook III question Namlook III has the dubious distinction of leading the Least Favorite FAX poll. http://www.usatt.org/rseguine/FAX/poll/leastfavorite.shtml on now: FAX all day long! ===== - --- Roy SeGuine rseguine@yahoo.com *Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased* Dan12:4 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:36:19 +0100 From: "Oliver Stumpf" Subject: (fax) FAX TOP 5 My favourite FAX releases: 1. Wired (Move D & Namlook) 2. Ambiant Otaku 3. TDSOTM 8 4. Silence 5. New Organic Live ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:38:21 -0500 From: Spencer A Marks Subject: Re: (fax) International Fax Day Thanks for the heads up. Fortunately, I had Transonic series queued up. On Thursday, January 3, 2002, at 07:56 AM, Paul Milligan wrote: > Ref my own query about this, I've just checked the > archives and, sure enough, it's the first Thursday in > the New Year...so that's TODAY Faxheads! > > Theoretically, we should all be listening to as much > (exclusively) Fax music as possible, unless this > tradition is to go the way of so many others? > > For my part; thus far I've spun A Day In The Live and > Whole Traffic 2. I'm hoping to get around to Fires Of > Ork driving home from work and probably Shades Of > Orion 2 (or, Aerial Service Area 2) for a late night > session. > > Here's hoping Fax isn't dead ... like half those who've > voted at Roy's Fax Galleria seem to think it is. > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: owner@2350.org> > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 13:10:18 +0000 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: Re: (fax) RE: Namlook III question Roy wrote: >Namlook III has the dubious distinction of leading the >Least Favorite FAX poll. Interesting that there are 3 titles miles ahead of the others when it comes to most disliked... Namlook 111 My Fascinating Instrument Supergroup Anybody out there *really* like any of these? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:01:45 -0000 From: "Corbin, Nick (CAP, EEF)" Subject: RE: (fax) RE: Namlook III question Paul said - > Interesting that there are 3 titles miles ahead of the others when it comes to most disliked... i can't believe that time (squared) and especially create are amongst the potential 'worst fax' releases. i don't listen to create that often, but it starts off very nicely (before getting slightly derivative), hardly ranking alongside namlook 3 et al... This e-mail is intended for the addressee(s) named above only. As this e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, if you are not the named addressee(s) or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee(s), please telephone us immediately. The contents of this e-mail should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:59:40 -0800 (PST) From: Greg Hill Subject: Re: (fax) International Fax Day What is Roy's Fax Galleria? - --- Paul Milligan wrote: > Ref my own query about this, I've just checked the > archives and, sure enough, it's the first Thursday > in > the New Year...so that's TODAY Faxheads! > > Theoretically, we should all be listening to as much > (exclusively) Fax music as possible, unless this > tradition is to go the way of so many others? > > For my part; thus far I've spun A Day In The Live > and > Whole Traffic 2. I'm hoping to get around to Fires > Of > Ork driving home from work and probably Shades Of > Orion 2 (or, Aerial Service Area 2) for a late night > session. > > Here's hoping Fax isn't dead ... like half those > who've > voted at Roy's Fax Galleria seem to think it is. > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > > + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com > www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:17:11 EST From: Upaka@aol.com Subject: (fax) top five In no order: 1. Slow and Low 2. Wechselspannung 3. Dreamfish 4. Organic Cloud 5. Ambiant Otaku ///David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:36:35 +0000 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: Re: (fax) Re: Namlook III & AC II >>the AC discs but, no longer Sea Biscuit so, make of that what you will. > >Sea Biscuit is OSS. Please elucidate ("OSS") ? Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:37:28 -0600 From: Subject: (fax) int fax day so far today if2 jet chamber 1 aldernabel possible gardens limelight datacide 2 outland 2 gorn later, george ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:20:30 +0100 (MET) From: Leszek Zabinski Subject: (fax) Int. Fax Day on today: Jet Chamber II Hemisphere Gamma S.H.A.D.O 2 Shellground Otras 2 and now finishing off with Air best wishes for everyone in 2002! cheers, Leszek. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:15:59 -0800 From: "MTEP (Mark Teppo)" Subject: RE: (fax) Int. Fax Day Today: Silence V Silent Music Wireless Outland IV UVOII:Sound of Heaven Fires of Ork 2 Maybe I'll squeeze another in tonight. - -m ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:38:32 -0800 From: "Raphael Almeria" Subject: RE: (fax) Re: Namlook III & AC II >>>the AC discs but, no longer Sea Biscuit so, make of that what you will. >> >>Sea Biscuit is OSS. > > >Please elucidate ("OSS") ? OSS means awesome. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:29:24 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: (fax) fax faves in no real order: - -Limelight - -Autumn - -Exploring The Psychedelic Landscape - -The MS Series - -Namlook IV - -Supergroup - -Spyra : Sferics although, I have about 45 unopened fax cd's that scoUt had found fer me....so this list could change a few times..... jackthetab i think therefore i ambient #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_________________TRIBAL________________\ http://www.superior.net/~zothboy si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:32:51 -0800 (PST) From: ambient Subject: (fax) The Silver, The 5 for the gold, and the Plasm Awards SILVER AWARDs AIR I + II Silence I + II (It would be silly to write them in for the 5) so five others for the GOLD AWARDs; The Putney - PK 08/76 for it`s Psychedelics The MS-Series - PS 08/70 for it`s trance Season's Greetings - Autumn - SEA 04 for really being apart of the Air Series (maybe this should be swaped with Air IV) - to complete the series - i know others dislike the autumn release ????? Gamma - PS 08/30 for it`s ambient trance Spyra - Etherlands - PS 08/93 for it`s beautiful coverage of the whole spectrum :-) and for the immediate mental lock with - Track One: The Synthesizer Experience 4.40 and coincidences are quite amazing in life... when i was playing this Release for the first time... during Track 4...i was stopped just off the Pacific Coast Highway in California and saw a large Hawk at rest on a wire...as it gracefully raise it`s wings and flew away during Birds on the Wire 8.22 (it was the closest i had ever been to a such a large Hawk) (hmmmm, what a silly New Age desciption, sorry!) the rest of the Release becomes more chilled out.... the runners up are, for the DIGITAL PLASM AWARDs; Jochem Paap for Vrs-Mbnt-Pcs 9598 I + Vrs-Mbnt-Pcs 9598 II Pete Namlook for New Organic Life + New Organic Life II PS (i like silver over gold) - i think that is why i came in 2nd in track n` field for the 5:05 mile, just to get the Silver :-) PSS. a note on my personal preference - i like the more "active" types of music and ambient....hence, no Tetsu listed, i am glad when he said something to the effect that he was trapped in the ambient box and had to get out np. Utada Hikaru : my girlfriends J-POP (it isn`t ambient, nor is it Tetsu Inoue`s japanese sister) ,scoUt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 18:38:30 +0000 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: (fax) Fax Galleria >From: Greg Hill >To: Paul Milligan >What is Roy's Fax Galleria? You'll find a link on the "links" page at the 2350.org site. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 08:54:36 +0000 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: (fax) Sea Biscuit >>>>the AC discs but, no longer Sea Biscuit so, make of that what you will. >>>Sea Biscuit is OSS. >>Please elucidate ("OSS") ? >OSS means awesome. This writer *wanted* to really dig this release, having paid a not inconsiderable sum for a sealed copy but, found it somewhat limp. Not the general consensus I realise yet, I rate the artists other works on Fax with PK and TI. Regarding an earlier comparison of Sea Biscuit with Solitaire, I would beg to differ, the latter being far superior imo. Love to go into why but, a client has just walked into reception - oops, I'm off ... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 20:39:03 +1100 From: "andre@sansserif.com.au" Subject: (fax) andre's 2 cents its awesome to see everyone come out of the woodwork and give their opinions.. today i played Sea Biscuit solitaire S.H.A.D.O Exploring the Spychedelic landscape Modula Green .. - -- pixelpanzer.com .. . grafik assault systems for a 72dpi battlefield . . . . . http://www.pixelpanzer.com . .. + grafik@pixelpaner.com . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:30:08 -0000 From: "Corbin, Nick (CAP, EEF)" Subject: (fax) Sea Biscuit & Solitaire Paul wrote - > Regarding an earlier comparison of Sea Biscuit with Solitaire, I would beg to differ, the latter being far superior imo. i've always rated Sea Biscuit above Solitaire as it's consistently good all the way through, as well as being slightly off the general Fax tip to a certain extent. I'd have to say that 'In/Out' on Solitaire would be in my list of 'best Fax tracks', but i found the rest of the cd a bit disappointing after the brilliant opening. what have i missed...?! This e-mail is intended for the addressee(s) named above only. As this e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, if you are not the named addressee(s) or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee(s), please telephone us immediately. The contents of this e-mail should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:40:11 -0000 From: Edward Jones Subject: (fax) The List and Softcore Things do seem to be reassuringly lively on the list again. There are over 150 releases on fax to discuss, so even if new discs are in short supply these days, there is a lot to chew over. So let's keep it up! I must confess that International Fax Day rather passed me by, on account of the fact that I am unable to listen to music at work, and I was out yesterday evening. Did however manage to grab an hour or so in the company of "Softcore" last thing (that's the CD, as opposed to a rather different sort of leisure activity!), which I must say has got to be up there with some of the best of the sublabel stuff. Incidentally, has anyone heard anything from Rowland Atkinson recently, as he seems to have been rather quiet on the list front over the last few months..... DISCLAIMER: The information in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or distribution of the message, or any action or omission taken by you in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please immediately contact the sender if you have received this message in error. Thank you. _____________________________________________________________________ (O)This message has been checked for all known viruses by MessageLabs. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:41:10 -0800 From: "Raphael Almeria" Subject: (fax) International FAX day. Today I played the chilled sounds of..... Waiting for Silence .....all day! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:34:44 -0000 From: "Corbin, Nick (CAP, EEF)" Subject: RE: (fax) International FAX day. Raphael said - > Today I played the chilled sounds of..... > Waiting for Silence > .....all day! what would this be....? This e-mail is intended for the addressee(s) named above only. As this e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, if you are not the named addressee(s) or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee(s), please telephone us immediately. The contents of this e-mail should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:48:19 -0800 From: "Raphael Almeria" Subject: RE: (fax) International FAX day. > > Today I played the chilled sounds of..... > > > Waiting for Silence > > > .....all day! > > >what would this be....? Peter Benisch's masterpiece of course. Raphael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:41:10 -0000 From: "Corbin, Nick (CAP, EEF)" Subject: RE: (fax) International FAX day. raphael, you mean 'waiting for snow' right...? > > Today I played the chilled sounds of..... > > > Waiting for Silence > > > .....all day! > > >what would this be....? Peter Benisch's masterpiece of course. This e-mail is intended for the addressee(s) named above only. 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The contents of this e-mail should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:52:40 -0800 From: "Raphael Almeria" Subject: RE: (fax) International FAX day. >raphael, you mean 'waiting for snow' right...? no, no, no. it's the "secret" limited edition. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:51:08 -0000 From: "Corbin, Nick (CAP, EEF)" Subject: RE: (fax) International FAX day. >>raphael, you mean 'waiting for snow' right...? >no, no, no. it's the "secret" limited edition. ;) cool! :- ) 'waiting for snow' was a highly anticipated (due to rave reviews on the list) release that i managed to get thanks to edward jones and it certainly lived up to expectations. should really play it soon seeing as the climate (for us northern hemisphere chaps) is just about right... This e-mail is intended for the addressee(s) named above only. As this e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, if you are not the named addressee(s) or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee(s), please telephone us immediately. The contents of this e-mail should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 02:13:04 -0800 (PST) From: ambient Subject: (fax) Ethics???? I think one acronym will answer it all; CDR doesn`t anyone care?? You`re a thief and you are dealing with thieves if you engage in trading pirated music! (CDR/MD) My entire Music Library consists of Original Works of Art ONLY....and that`s including the whole 222 + or - (i lost count) Fax Library NOT ONE CDR (and i only make a MD backup, for myself only, AFTER getting, and paying for, the Original) - in whatever channed of distribution it presents itself to me as... thief`s are not FAIR, nor HONEST? Karma PS.. especially that techno, IDM, ambient (or related artists :-) ), aren`t usually on labels where they are selling 1 million copies and making a buck on each CD to become a millionare.... do the math, a release of 500 or 2000 pressings can give the artist how much after costs??? i hear it already, "but, this is different..this release is OOP" about 4 people over the last 2 or 3 months have posted that they were looking for a release......i forwarded a link to them.....the particular release was on ebay for cheap...or referred them to my trade list i noticed that after the auction was over, not one of them had bid on the items...nor did they want to trade....but, had gotten a CDR of it... they just wanted it for free: minus the cost of the 10-pack MD/CDR, of course There are no Ethics involved here!! and be careful if you publish someone`s name as a bad trader....they could sue you for slander! ,scoUt The following are not my words....they are those of an Artist i highly respect... "It is just sooo simple.. if my CDs are pirated more and more I will not be able to make my living from music any more.. so if this continues (as I see since 1-2years that there is drastic loss in sales through piracy) there could come a time when I stop releasing music. Sell all my stuff and go on a *huge* vacation. I cannot live on 10 sold copies while each copy is being duplicated 100 times.. and so you will not be able to listen to new XXXXX music as there won't be any.. as simple as that. And in the end the copymachine stops as there are no originals left to copy. In the end unauthorized copying is a thing for the dumb... the braindead.. " - - name withheld because i didn`t ask permission.. - --- XXXXXXXX wrote: > I. THE PSYCHOLOGY OF BAD TRADERS: > Alas and alack! Another bad apple in a basket of real cool folks. > This past > year, I have had the frustration of dealing with two bad CDR > traders. And > now I find myself trying to understand the psychology of the bad > trader. > Bear with me and lend me your insights. > > What these two both had in common: > 1. They eagerly offer or agree to a trade (in both cases more than > one CDR) > 2. I do my part of the trade immediately (within 48 hours) > 3. I receive nothing and hear nothing from them. > 4. I e-mail them politely to ask what's up. > 5. They ignore my first e-mail. > 6. I wait a while and then e-mail a few more times. > 7. They e-mail back with a lame excuse* and say that the CDRs are > "in the > mail" - implying that they have just been sent. > 8. I wait a week or more and e-mail back and then the process from > #5. to #7 > is repeated. > (The latest offender e-mailed me a second time apologizing and > saying that > the CDRs were "in the mail" - not acknowledging that he had said > the same > thing a few weeks ago.) > 9. Needless to say, I receive nothing. > 10. The bad traders ignore all my future e-mails. > > *re "lame excuses" - please understand that I do not initially > judge the > validity of a trader's "excuse". One of my best trading buddies > sometimes > takes months to complete a trade, but he communicates well and > comes thorugh > big in the end. It's the lack of communication that drives me > bonkers! > > In both cases, I e-mailed the offenders and asked them simply to > respond and > have the decency to let me know that they were not going to honor > the trade. > I promised both that I would stop bothering them as soon as they > responded > with this acknowledgement, but neither had the integrity to > respond. The > first fiasco went on for several months. The latest one has > happened over > the past few months and truly surprises me because the offender > has his own > web-site and has a contribution to the latest ambient hyperreal > compilation. > I know he has been receiving my messages, as I have posted to his > guestbook > and the message has been removed. > > PSYCHOLOGICAL QUESTIONS: > 1. What's up with these folk? > 2. Do they get off on screwing people around? > 3. If not, why don't they respond? Is it out of Embarrassment? > Fear? > Laziness? Apathy? > > II. THE ETHICS OF REPORTING THEM TO THIS LIST > In the first case, I decided not to embarrass the person by > reporting to the > list, but now that it has happened again and I have undergone > months of > frustration of waiting and non-reponsiveness, I question whether > it is not > perhaps my civil and ethical duty to report them to spare others > the same > frustration. > > I am reluctant to decide on this issue without your (the valuable > list-members') input so please respond to my message by voting > simply YEA or > NAY to the question: > SHOULD BAD TRADERS BE REPORTED TO THE LIST? > I am experiencing an ethical dilemma and I would welcome your > input. > I will tally the responses, report back and make my decision. > > Tx > XXXXXXXX > > P.S. Please see upcoming request for CDR trade to replace my > latest > disappointment > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 02:17:15 -0800 (PST) From: ambient Subject: (fax) The Silver, The 5 for the gold, and the Plasm Awards SILVER AWARDs AIR I + II Silence I + II (It would be silly to write them in for the 5) so five others for the GOLD AWARDs; The Putney - PK 08/76 for it`s Psychedelics The MS-Series - PS 08/70 for it`s trance Season's Greetings - Autumn - SEA 04 for really being apart of the Air Series (maybe this should be swaped with Air IV) - to complete the series - i know others dislike the autumn release ????? Gamma - PS 08/30 for it`s ambient trance Spyra - Etherlands - PS 08/93 for it`s beautiful coverage of the whole spectrum :-) and for the immediate mental lock with - Track One: The Synthesizer Experience 4.40 and coincidences are quite amazing in life... when i was playing this Release for the first time... during Track 4...i was stopped just off the Pacific Coast Highway in California and saw a large Hawk at rest on a wire...as it gracefully raised it`s wings and flew away during Birds on the Wire 8.22 (it was the closest i had ever been to a such a large Hawk) (hmmmm, what a silly New Age desciption, sorry!) the rest of the release becomes more chilled out.... the runners up are, for the DIGITAL PLASM AWARDs; Jochem Paap for Vrs-Mbnt-Pcs 9598 I + Vrs-Mbnt-Pcs 9598 II Pete Namlook for New Organic Life + New Organic Life II PS (i like silver over gold) - i think that is why i came in 2nd in track n` field for the 5:05 mile, just to get the Silver :-) PSS. a note on my personal preference - i like the more "active" types of music and ambient....hence, no Tetsu listed, i am glad when he said something to the effect that he was trapped in the ambient box and had to get out! np. Utada Hikaru : my girlfriends J-POP (it isn`t ambient, nor is it Tetsu Inoue`s japanese sister) ,scoUt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:23:51 -0000 From: "Wesley Kerr" Subject: (fax) Top 5 FAX Hi there, My top five for today (ask me next week and they will probably be different): Air II Silence From Within Fires of Ork Fanger + Siebert Cheers, Wesley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 02:25:43 -0800 (PST) From: ambient Subject: (fax) Happy 10 Year Anniversary - FAX Records Kindest Regards ,scoUt Although it is techically only 7ish years for me... PS sorry for the crosspost of the previous 7k message...it seems quite relevant on just about every list these days except of course, the newsgroups: alt.binary.music.ambient.pirate alt.binary.music.namlook.free __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:35:14 -0000 From: Edward Jones Subject: (fax) CD-Rs & Piracy This debate will run and run, but in response to the previous email: I think a distinction does need to be drawn between people trading CD-Rs of now unavailable music, and those people who are just after something for nothing. Whilst I agree in principle with what Scout was saying regarding "home taping killing musicians' livelihoods" etc., I do think there is a degree of legitimacy about people being able to get hold of music which is otherwise unobtainable. Bear in mind that an artist sees no revenue at all from used CDs. The only time they receive royalties is when the disc was originally sold brand new. So the fact that some out of print titles can be found on eBay (or wherever) does not lend any credence whatsoever to the argument that people should buy original titles where possible in order to support the artist. If they aren't new, then the artist does not benefit financially from this arrangement at all. Basically, if a title is out of print, that (usually) means that you have a cat in hell's chance of purchasing a new copy of it anywhere. In my view, that means that such recordings are fair game for CD-R/MP3-style dissemination. In many instances, this can serve to promote other work by an artist which is still in print. How many people would have purchased Peter Benisch's latest CD were it not for the degree of interest in his work on Fax? Turning our attention back to Fax, I do believe (from emails I get asking me where certain titles can be found etc.) that there is a fairly significant appetite for re-issues of a handful of titles which are now out of print: "Waiting For Snow" springs to mind, and I reckon there are others as well. Over to Pete on that one, obviously. Alternatively the artist him- or herself can make the music available via the web in high quality MP3 form on a subscription basis, a la Emusic (but at a higher sampling rate please!). Rant over. Back to work kids! DISCLAIMER: The information in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or distribution of the message, or any action or omission taken by you in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please immediately contact the sender if you have received this message in error. Thank you. _____________________________________________________________________ (O)This message has been checked for all known viruses by MessageLabs. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 02:58:19 -0800 From: "Raphael Almeria" Subject: RE: (fax) CD-Rs & Piracy >Basically, if a title is out of print, that (usually) means that you have a >cat in hell's chance of purchasing a new copy of it anywhere. In my view, >that means that such recordings are fair game for CD-R/MP3-style >dissemination. In many instances, this can serve to promote other work by an >artist which is still in print. How many people would have purchased Peter >Benisch's latest CD were it not for the degree of interest in his work on I wonder if there is anyway that artists that produce small amounts of music (like on FAX) could have sort of mailorder system where someone can ask for a copy and they could write one to CD/CD-R like Michael Stearns, Robert Rich and Steve Roach probably do. Raphael ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2002 #3 ****************************** --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org