From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2002 #4 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Saturday, January 5 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 004 (fax) Softcore & Rowland RE: (fax) CD-Rs & Piracy RE: (fax) International FAX day. RE: (fax) International FAX day. (fax) Re: Ethics???? (fax) intl fax day (fax) Favorite Fax Re: (fax) Favorite Fax (fax) RE: Ethics???? (fax) RE: Ethics???? (fax) My fascinating Instrument Re: (fax) My fascinating Instrument Re: (fax) Top 5 all-time fax releases Re: (fax) My fascinating Instrument Re: (fax) My fascinating Instrument (fax) RE: Soundtrack Saga... (fax) waiting for snow Re: (fax) waiting for snow Re: (fax) waiting for snow Re: (fax) waiting for snow Re: (fax) waiting for snow (fax) Now Playing Re: (fax) now playing RE: (fax) waiting for snow Re: (fax) waiting for snow (fax) Vacation 2002 (fax) Re: Ethics???? Re: (fax) Re: Ethics???? Re: (fax) Re: Ethics???? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:27:43 +0000 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: (fax) Softcore & Rowland >............... did however manage to grab an hour or so in the company >of "Softcore" last thing ... which I must say has got to be up there >with some of the best of the sublabel stuff. Agreed absolutely! I'm sure most of those on the AH list would disagree (and I'm not a hardcore AH fan anyway) but I think some of his solo work on Fax - particularly Softcore and Orange - is way better than the mean average standard on Rather Interesting releases. Softcore imo is superior to Orange (overall) but, that last 3-part track on Orange is one of the best pieces of music ever to be released on Fax. Infectious or what! (?) >Incidentally, has anyone heard anything from Rowland Atkinson recently, as >he seems to have been rather quiet on the list front over the last few >months..... It was mentioned the other day, by someone on the Ambient List, that RA un-subscribes/re-subscribes a bit so either he's gone (for a while?) or maybe just lurking ... better say "Happy New Year Rowland" in case it's the latter !! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:02:39 -0000 From: Edward Jones Subject: RE: (fax) CD-Rs & Piracy This can, and often does work. Brian Eno made 3 or 4 of his installation soundtracks available on an "on demand" basis, whereby CD-R's are pressed up with artwork and sent out on an individual basis, making them "unlimited". I guess now it is so easy to burn a CD, and it is also relatively easy and inexpensive to print high quality artwork on a desk top printer, that this could be a goer. It also ensures that the artist sees revenue from it (more indeed than they would do via a conventional record company). DISCLAIMER: The information in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or distribution of the message, or any action or omission taken by you in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please immediately contact the sender if you have received this message in error. Thank you. _____________________________________________________________________ (O)This message has been checked for all known viruses by MessageLabs. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:02:17 +0100 From: "Twining, Chris" Subject: RE: (fax) International FAX day. Yesterdays celebratory gems: Waiting for Snow Modula Green Hemisphere Fires of Ork 1 In Starless Space Namlook XII and finally... Waiting for Snow (again)!! Chris PS. Do other subscibers agree with me that Peter Benisch's later non-fax discs 'Lindego' and 'Soundtrack Sagas' just don't cut the mustard by comparison with 'Waiting for Snow'? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 04:09:08 -0800 From: "Raphael Almeria" Subject: RE: (fax) International FAX day. >PS. Do other subscibers agree with me that Peter Benisch's later non-fax >discs 'Lindego' and 'Soundtrack Sagas' just don't cut the mustard by >comparison with 'Waiting for Snow'? I don't have "Lindego"; however, I think you are correct with regard to "Soundtrack Saga". Cheeers! Raphael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:03:48 -0500 From: "Stephen Philips" Subject: (fax) Re: Ethics???? ambient said: > PS.. especially that techno, IDM, ambient (or related artists :-) ), > aren`t usually on labels where they are selling 1 million copies and > making a buck on each CD to become a millionare.... > > do the math, a release of 500 or 2000 pressings can give the artist > how much after costs??? > > about 4 people over the last 2 or 3 months have posted that they > were looking for a release......i forwarded a link to them.....the > particular release was on ebay for cheap...or referred them to my > trade list The artist does not benefit from Ebay or your trade list, so if you're really concerned about artist profit, you should not trade or sell used CDs privately or on Ebay. And most of the people I know that sell on Ebay and trade, make copies for themselves or rip to MP3 before they trade which I think is totally wrong. So yes, you are buying an original and only making a copy for yourself but do you destroy that copy when you sell or trade the CD? Stephen Philips Dark Duck Records e | music@darkduck.net web | http://www.darkduck.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:41:57 -0600 From: Subject: (fax) intl fax day some stats ... thanks for listening wherever you were > AquaFM Fax Visitors for last week divided per weekday: > 2001-12-28: 3 > 2001-12-29: 2 > 2001-12-30: 3 > 2001-12-31: 2 > 2002-01-01: 5 > 2002-01-02: 4 > 2002-01-03: 28 later, george ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:59:52 -0600 From: "Jonathan Osborne" Subject: (fax) Favorite Fax Here are my favorite fax albums: #1: SOLITAIRE: beautiful all the way through except for "Damaskus - Dakar," which I don't really care for. But the rest of the album blows me away. I listen to it several times a week on average and never get sick of it. "P.M." is my favorite track, but the others are awesome as well. In no particular order: - - Sferics - among the most consistent and well-planned Fax albums (as opposed to almost everything Namlook has done). The level of musicianship and foresight on this album is pretty much unsurpassed by anything on the label, IMHO. The same goes for Spyra's other albums, but to a slightly lesser extent. I guess I just like it because there's more music and less screwing around. - - IF 1 - "Caravan" is an awesome track. Sounds great when cranked way up. - - IF 2 - I love the last 5 or 6 minutes of "Dub 2." "Underwater" is also great. - - Sad World 3 - the last two tracks totally rock. - - From Within 1 - the first Fax album I heard, and I still like it. - - From Within 2 - the last track kicks my ass. - - Fanger & Siebert - good all the way through. - - MS Series - the first track rocks. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 15:25:50 +0000 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: Re: (fax) Favorite Fax I have to say, regarding Jonathon's thoughts, they are uncannily close to my own... >#1: SOLITAIRE: beautiful all the way ... etc Supports my view earlier (that it is superior to Sea Biscuit) and saved me coming back with an explanation why - ta. >- Sferics - among the most consistent ... etc Yes and the best of his on Fax I agree. (But, better than Future Of The Past? ...not sure) >- IF 1 - "Caravan" is an awesome track. >- IF 2 - I love the last 5 or 6 minutes of "Dub 2." >- Sad World 3 - the last two tracks totally rock. >- From Within 1 - the first Fax album I heard, and I still like it. >- From Within 2 - the last track kicks my ass. >- Fanger & Siebert - good all the way through. >- MS Series - the first track rocks. None of these actually made my top 5 but, all would make my top 20, a couple my top 10. Obviously, we both have a taste for the 'infectious'. I usually repeat play that last track on SW3 about 4 times over. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:05:11 -0800 From: "Stephen Philips" Subject: (fax) RE: Ethics???? >I seem to have missed most of this thread, so I'm not sure >if I'm responding to the correct issue - but regarding ltd >editions and re-releases and/or copies thereof, as much as >I am a HUGE Steve Roach fan, I was very disappointed that >he re-released "The Dream Circle". I hadn't bought the >original when it came out, but I found an unopened one on >eBay and was super excited about it - then he re-issued >it. That ain't right to me. I don't think re-issues diminish the value of the original releases at all. I like the way Pete Namlook at Fax does it. The original has a limitation and then if it's re-issued, it's given different packaging and a different "look" thus distinguishing it from the original. Just look at everybody that's got an original "Ambiant Otaku" and won't part with it. I think ultimately reissues are great because they do serve the purpose of getting the music out there for people that originally missed it while preserving the value of the original for the people who bought it the first time around. As far as copying out of print titles, just because the CD is out of print does not mean that the creator/copyright holder has relinquished his copyright of the recording, i.e., it doesn't make it legal to copy but maybe easier to get around the morality behind it. Stephen Philips Dark Duck Records web | http://www.darkduck.net e | music@darkduck.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:23:59 -0800 From: "Stephen Philips" Subject: (fax) RE: Ethics???? >Well, you're missing the point - I am SPECIFICALLY >referring to releases that were labeled as NEVER being >reproduced - which is what I certainly gathered about "The >Dream Circle". Releases like this are not common. Well if it's really true about the master for "The Dream Circle" being burried in the desert, then yes, it does sound like this is something that was not intended to be re-issued. >What YOU and the OTHERS are probably thinking about is >the "normal" process of re-issueing something that's out >of print, and in demand, but was never quoted as being >a "limited edition". I don't think I'm missing anything. All of Pete Namlook's FAX label releases are issued as limited editions of 500 or 1000 or 2000 or whatever. Some are eventually re-issued, some are not. Muslimgauze CDs are also issued as limited editions and some have been re-issued. Some as CDRs of all things. I think what you mean is a release that specifically states that it's limited and will never be re-issued, and I can't really think of an example of that right now. Pete Namlook swore for a long time that he would not re-issue Ambiant Otaku but he eventually did because of all the pressure to do so. Stephen Philips Dark Duck Records web | http://www.darkduck.net e | music@darkduck.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:43:37 -0800 (PST) From: Hyp Nom Subject: (fax) My fascinating Instrument > Namlook 111 > My Fascinating Instrument > Supergroup > Anybody out there *really* like any of these? at least the second (12 mins) track of 'My Fascinating Instrument' is awesome! especially if you understand the terrific (german) lyrics... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 16:45:54 +0000 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: Re: (fax) My fascinating Instrument >> Namlook 111 >> My Fascinating Instrument >> Supergroup >> Anybody out there *really* like any of these? >at least the second track of 'My Fascinating Instrument' is >awesome especially if you understand the terrific (german) lyrics mmm - as (1) this has been the only response and (2) a single track has been cited plus (3) most Faxheads don't understand German, I guess my original question seems somewhat rhetorical ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:22:54 -0500 (EST) From: laerm Subject: Re: (fax) Top 5 all-time fax releases On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 muziknut2@juno.com wrote: > >>These are my top five all time Fax releases: > > Good idea! Here are mine (in no particular order): in case people are curious, i put the results of my poll from last year online. http://soulfood.org/~laerm/faxpoll2001.html is a somewhat representative account of the favourites of the people on this list - at least those who voted. micah stupak /"\ laerm soulfood.org \ / the world is falling down international bright young kook X and it may as well crash ascii ribbon campaign / \ with me against html email ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:24:43 -0500 (EST) From: laerm Subject: Re: (fax) My fascinating Instrument On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Paul Milligan wrote: > >> Namlook 111 > >> My Fascinating Instrument > >> Supergroup > >> Anybody out there *really* like any of these? > > > >at least the second track of 'My Fascinating Instrument' is > >awesome especially if you understand the terrific (german) lyrics > > > mmm - as (1) this has been the only response and (2) a single > track has been cited plus (3) most Faxheads don't understand > German, I guess my original question seems somewhat rhetorical _my fascinating instrument_ is one of the fax titles i've always wanted to hear but i haven't really seen it around. i can say i'd like to like it, based on sala's soundtrack for _the birds_ and what i know about the trautonium, but until i see one someplace, i'll just have to wait. micah stupak /"\ laerm soulfood.org \ / the world is falling down international bright young kook X and it may as well crash ascii ribbon campaign / \ with me against html email ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:07:29 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) My fascinating Instrument I like Supergroup quite a bit. It was also in my top 10's of fax releases...I guess I am one of those people who likes all the underdogs, and those albums that people tend to forget about. jackthetab i think therefore i ambient #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_________________TRIBAL________________\ http://www.superior.net/~zothboy si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hyp Nom" To: Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:43 AM Subject: (fax) My fascinating Instrument > > Namlook 111 > > My Fascinating Instrument > > Supergroup > > > Anybody out there *really* like any of these? > > at least the second (12 mins) track of 'My Fascinating Instrument' is > awesome! > especially if you understand the terrific (german) lyrics... > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:54:15 -0800 (PST) From: Greg Hill Subject: (fax) RE: Soundtrack Saga... Lindego, is a BAD release, not even close to Waiting for Snow! BUT, Soundtrack Saga is one of my top 5 EM CD's of all time! I LOVE IT! the cinematic synth strings and beats are unbelievable! how could you not like this cd!? I guess some might say that its to EM-commerical sounding...BULLSHIT! its melodic as hell and has similar drum programming that Waiting for snow had...Peter, is one of my favorite EM artist currently and I listen to a LOT of different stuff. - --- Raphael Almeria wrote: > >PS. Do other subscibers agree with me that Peter > Benisch's later non-fax > >discs 'Lindego' and 'Soundtrack Sagas' just don't > cut the mustard by > >comparison with 'Waiting for Snow'? > > I don't have "Lindego"; however, I think you are > correct with regard to > "Soundtrack Saga". > > Cheeers! > > Raphael > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > > + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com > www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:02:40 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: (fax) waiting for snow hmmmm I am confused here. I picked up Waiting For Snow, because of many of the reviews I read about it. I was anxious to get it. I was even more excited when I found it. Payed about $35 fer a copy...I couldnt wait to listen to it when It arrived at my doorstep...and then....then I was disappointed by the music :-( I have listened to it twice...and each time, I did not like it. To me it was just not that interesting, musically....what am I missing here? jackthetab i think therefore i ambient #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_________________TRIBAL________________\ http://www.superior.net/~zothboy si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:07:31 -0800 (PST) From: John Whitney Subject: Re: (fax) waiting for snow - --- jackthetab wrote: To me it was > just not that interesting, musically.... Funny, I gave it another spin this morning on my way to work and thought the same thing. It has some cool moments I guess. I think someone posted something a few months back saying if you took a few tracks from 'snow' and then a few from 'saga' and put them together on one CD, you'd have a good release. Just my opinion... would like to hear others... Thanks, John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:11:27 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) waiting for snow I have not heard Saga as of yet....but I have a friend who sold Lindego as soon as he got it, not liking it much at all...so I am leary about purchasing anything else from Benisch. jackthetab i think therefore i ambient #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_________________TRIBAL________________\ http://www.superior.net/~zothboy si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Whitney" To: "FAX" Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:07 PM Subject: Re: (fax) waiting for snow > --- jackthetab wrote: > > To me it was > > just not that interesting, musically.... > > Funny, I gave it another spin this morning on my way > to work and thought the same thing. It has some cool > moments I guess. I think someone posted something a > few months back saying if you took a few tracks from > 'snow' and then a few from 'saga' and put them > together on one CD, you'd have a good release. Just my > opinion... would like to hear others... > > Thanks, > John > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:15:10 -0800 (PST) From: John Whitney Subject: Re: (fax) waiting for snow - --- jackthetab wrote: I > am leary about > purchasing anything else from Benisch. ditto __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:45:55 +0100 From: "seetyca" Subject: Re: (fax) waiting for snow fav10: 1. time - cage from 62 eulengasse (god bless them for only the first 50 seconds!!) 2. visions of pulse from broadway 1 (boiling air) 3. into the desert from silence 3 4. gebirge from fires of ork 5. sergio leone's wet dream from solitaire 6. three pipers at the gates of dawn VI from dsotm 4 7. loop 6 from recurring dreams of the urban myth 8. klanglabor from new organic life 9. asbendos from silence 5 10. barbwired on outland 7 from i moved to tt 2 (that will be my debut on fax :-) by the way, can anybodyout there confirm, that the sublabel is definitely closed? no single artist action anymore on fax? seetyca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:35:44 -0000 From: "Rich" Subject: (fax) Now Playing After seeing some comments about Spacetime Continuum, I'm NP'ing Sea Biscuit. Forgotten how good this album is. I've been drifting for a while now, it's the third rotation for it..... Any other stuff similar on FAX? Any recommends for Atom Heart (I've only heard the 'Elektronicaa' one with Atom Heart & Pink Elln)? peace ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:50:38 -0000 From: "David Calvert" Subject: Re: (fax) now playing Am doing likewise with In Starless Space ... track 2 reminds me a little bit of Saw Delight by Can. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich To: Faxlist Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:35 PM Subject: (fax) Now Playing > After seeing some comments about Spacetime Continuum, I'm NP'ing Sea > Biscuit. Forgotten how good this album is. I've been drifting for a while > now, it's the third rotation for it..... > > Any other stuff similar on FAX? Any recommends for Atom Heart (I've only > heard the 'Elektronicaa' one with Atom Heart & Pink Elln)? > > peace > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:24:52 -0800 From: "Raphael Almeria" Subject: RE: (fax) waiting for snow >I have listened to it twice...and each time, I did not like it. To me it was >just not that interesting, musically....what am I missing here? Actually I've noticed that sometimes the system you use to play the CD really affects the quality of the music. For instance, I listened to Roland Orzabal's "Tomcats Screaming Outside" at work and I found it to be uninteresting and lackluster but then I brought it home and found it to be beautiful with many different variations of style and energy. So much for cheap PC speakers! Raphael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:59:42 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) waiting for snow Well I am using a pair of Bang and Olufsen S75 speakers, with a 10 inch powered subwoofer to boot....and a Mitsubishi DA-R20 receiver.... jackthetab i think therefore i ambient #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_________________TRIBAL________________\ http://www.superior.net/~zothboy si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raphael Almeria" To: "jackthetab" ; "FAX" Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:24 PM Subject: RE: (fax) waiting for snow > >I have listened to it twice...and each time, I did not like it. To me it > was > >just not that interesting, musically....what am I missing here? > > Actually I've noticed that sometimes the system you use to play the CD > really affects the quality of the music. For instance, I listened to Roland > Orzabal's "Tomcats Screaming Outside" at work and I found it to be > uninteresting and lackluster but then I brought it home and found it to be > beautiful with many different variations of style and energy. So much for > cheap PC speakers! > > Raphael > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 02:57:30 -0500 From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: (fax) Vacation 2002 It's that time of the year, so the folks and I are off to the usual destination, Cozumel, Mexico. I will be unable to answer any messages until after the 19th. All MD trades will be considered afterwards. Peace. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:27:32 -0800 (PST) From: ambient Subject: (fax) Re: Ethics???? - --- Stephen Philips wrote: > The artist does not benefit from Ebay or your trade list, mostly, i agree...they don`t actually receive any money...yet, if an artist was attentive to these second hand distribution channels such as ebay, they would observe the amounts that specific titles go for and have an idea of which titles to reissue....as cost is a function of demand... this might give some cause as to why releases like air, silence and dreamfish have been re-re-issued on AW and dreamfish on avatar... if an artist (or someone acting for them)...just for the sake of their own curiousity...(hypothetically speaking, of course) spent 1 hour a year and skimmed peoples "want-lists"...this could also act as a function of what is being demanded?? why the opposite is absolutely true...Namlook has no idea how many copies somebody is making in their bedroom!! and while copying will happen occassionally, as it did years ago with cassettes... it just seems to be a Completely Acceptable means of obtaining music these days with the quickness of the internet. >so if you're really concerned about artist profit, you >should not trade or sell used CDs privately or on Ebay. see above ^^^ >most of the people I know that sell on Ebay and trade, make >copies for themselves or rip to MP3 before they trade >which I think is totally wrong. Completely AGREE!! >So yes, you are buying an original and only making a copy >for yourself but do you destroy that copy when you sell or >trade the CD? good clarification on that point! Not every CD i own is backed up for safety. (although, i think a complete backup of Fax is smart) `cause i really don`t want the Mint original of The Putney to ever get a scratch.... Only a fraction of the rest of my library is backed up...if it is a release that i might possibly trade in the future...there`s no sense of making a backup of it in the Present! For example...i really don`t care for the RI label...but, i will not make a MD copy and trade the original....so, i mind as well just keep the original.... (although, i do have a few doubles of a few RI, FAX and muslimgauze titles that i will trade..before i bought a MD recorder...i usually bought two copies of FAX, RI and the rare Muslimgauzes to act as my back-up) - you can toss a MD across the room...and it will still play :-) Back-up only to preserve the Original Never to substitute It! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 03:50:15 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) Re: Ethics???? true to a point.... Just because something sells fer $100 on ebay, does not really mean that is what it is worth. I know myself that I have paid way too much fer something, just because I HAD TO HAVE IT....I know a lot of other people are that way too....Sometimes using the "buy it now" feature on ebay, just to make sure you get it and no one else...you know you usually pay extra bucks to get it at that very moment..... jackthetab i think therefore i ambient #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_________________TRIBAL________________\ http://www.superior.net/~zothboy si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ambient" To: "Stephen Philips" ; Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 3:27 AM Subject: (fax) Re: Ethics???? > --- Stephen Philips wrote: > > The artist does not benefit from Ebay or your trade list, > > mostly, i agree...they don`t actually receive any money...yet, if an > artist was attentive to these second hand > distribution channels such as ebay, they would observe the amounts > that specific titles go for and have an idea of which titles to > reissue....as cost is a function of demand... > > this might give some cause as to why releases like air, silence and > dreamfish have been re-re-issued on AW and dreamfish on avatar... > > if an artist (or someone acting for them)...just for the sake of > their own curiousity...(hypothetically speaking, of course) spent 1 > hour a year and skimmed peoples "want-lists"...this could also act > as a function of what is being demanded?? > > > why the opposite is absolutely true...Namlook has no idea how many > copies somebody is making in their bedroom!! > > and while copying will happen occassionally, as it did years ago > with cassettes... it just seems to be a Completely Acceptable means > of obtaining music these days with the quickness of the internet. > > > >so if you're really concerned about artist profit, you >should not > trade or sell used CDs privately or on Ebay. > > see above ^^^ > > > >most of the people I know that sell on Ebay and trade, make >copies > for themselves or rip to MP3 before they trade > >which I think is totally wrong. > > Completely AGREE!! > > > >So yes, you are buying an original and only making a copy >for > yourself but do you destroy that copy when you sell or >trade the > CD? > > good clarification on that point! > > Not every CD i own is backed up for safety. > (although, i think a complete backup of Fax is smart) > `cause i really don`t want the Mint original of The Putney to ever > get a scratch.... > > Only a fraction of the rest of my library is backed up...if it is a > release that i might possibly trade in the future...there`s no sense > of making a backup of it in the Present! > > For example...i really don`t care for the RI label...but, i will not > make a MD copy and trade the original....so, i mind as well just > keep the original.... > > (although, i do have a few doubles of a few RI, FAX and muslimgauze > titles that i will trade..before i bought a MD recorder...i usually > bought two copies of FAX, RI and the rare Muslimgauzes to act as my > back-up) - > > you can toss a MD across the room...and it will still play :-) > > > Back-up only to preserve the Original > Never to substitute It! > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 03:52:29 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) Re: Ethics???? MD copy works until an original can be found....that is usually how I operate. I cant stand not having the art work with the copy of the music.....quality is better than quantity. jackthetab i think therefore i ambient #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_________________TRIBAL________________\ http://www.superior.net/~zothboy si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ambient" To: "Stephen Philips" ; Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 3:27 AM Subject: (fax) Re: Ethics???? > --- Stephen Philips wrote: > > The artist does not benefit from Ebay or your trade list, > > mostly, i agree...they don`t actually receive any money...yet, if an > artist was attentive to these second hand > distribution channels such as ebay, they would observe the amounts > that specific titles go for and have an idea of which titles to > reissue....as cost is a function of demand... > > this might give some cause as to why releases like air, silence and > dreamfish have been re-re-issued on AW and dreamfish on avatar... > > if an artist (or someone acting for them)...just for the sake of > their own curiousity...(hypothetically speaking, of course) spent 1 > hour a year and skimmed peoples "want-lists"...this could also act > as a function of what is being demanded?? > > > why the opposite is absolutely true...Namlook has no idea how many > copies somebody is making in their bedroom!! > > and while copying will happen occassionally, as it did years ago > with cassettes... it just seems to be a Completely Acceptable means > of obtaining music these days with the quickness of the internet. > > > >so if you're really concerned about artist profit, you >should not > trade or sell used CDs privately or on Ebay. > > see above ^^^ > > > >most of the people I know that sell on Ebay and trade, make >copies > for themselves or rip to MP3 before they trade > >which I think is totally wrong. > > Completely AGREE!! > > > >So yes, you are buying an original and only making a copy >for > yourself but do you destroy that copy when you sell or >trade the > CD? > > good clarification on that point! > > Not every CD i own is backed up for safety. > (although, i think a complete backup of Fax is smart) > `cause i really don`t want the Mint original of The Putney to ever > get a scratch.... > > Only a fraction of the rest of my library is backed up...if it is a > release that i might possibly trade in the future...there`s no sense > of making a backup of it in the Present! > > For example...i really don`t care for the RI label...but, i will not > make a MD copy and trade the original....so, i mind as well just > keep the original.... > > (although, i do have a few doubles of a few RI, FAX and muslimgauze > titles that i will trade..before i bought a MD recorder...i usually > bought two copies of FAX, RI and the rare Muslimgauzes to act as my > back-up) - > > you can toss a MD across the room...and it will still play :-) > > > Back-up only to preserve the Original > Never to substitute It! > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! 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