From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2002 #5 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Sunday, January 6 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 005 (fax) Softcore, Fax and the other label Namlook started - RI Re: (fax) Waiting for snow Re: (fax) RE: Soundtrack Saga... (fax) Soundtrack Saga Re: (fax) Soundtrack Saga Re: (fax) Re: Ethics???? Re: (fax) Soundtrack Saga Re: (fax) Soundtrack Saga (fax) RI (fax) OOP Re: (fax) RE: Soundtrack Saga... RE: (fax) Soundtrack Saga (fax) Adrian ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:56:59 -0800 (PST) From: ambient Subject: (fax) Softcore, Fax and the other label Namlook started - RI > Agreed absolutely! I'm sure most of those on the AH list >would disagree (and I'm not a hardcore AH fan anyway) but I >think some of his solo work on Fax - particularly Softcore >and Orange - is way better than...RI" Agreed as well !! i sometimes think that RI is alot of stuff from Atom Heart, and company, that Namlook would allow on FAX. (ooops, did i just say that??) ;-p > >mean average standard on Rather Interesting releases. > i love that statement, "mean average standard" !! (albeit, a couple spikes in the bell curve...flowerhead, MU, parts of b2 and each of our own personal fav`s) perfectly represents a label of straight 7`s on a 10 scale! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 03:02:24 -0800 (PST) From: ambient Subject: Re: (fax) Waiting for snow - --- jackthetab wrote: > I have not heard Saga as of yet....but I have a friend who >sold Lindego as soon as he got it, well, i did sell it right away jack, half of that is because i had a brandnew copy of it awaiting me in Japan...(when groove was liquidating...i got it for 12.50 brand new) sold the first copy...didn`t make a MD of it...but, have kept the Mint copy...it`s ok...general techno stuff SNOW is nice, but i much prefer bikinis! >not liking it much at >all...so I am leary about purchasing >anything else from >Benisch. yeah, agreed as well...not too interested in SAGA.. it must be said though, his best is on FAX. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 03:07:47 -0800 (PST) From: ambient Subject: Re: (fax) RE: Soundtrack Saga... - --- Greg Hill wrote: > Lindego, is a BAD release, not even close to Waiting > for Snow! BUT, Soundtrack Saga is one of my top 5 EM > CD's of all time! actually, i did listen to it...at the listening booth of a music store....if i am not mistaken jack, it was at Borders in Albany, New York. and neither of us bought it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:11:49 -0800 (PST) From: Greg Hill Subject: (fax) Soundtrack Saga I don't really understand why so many people on here dislike or don't want to buy Soundtrack Saga!? my question is why don't you like it?(please I WOULD like to hear why) I agree its similar to Waiting for Snow, but almost ALL artists in ALL genere's of music produce a LOT of stuff that sounds similar(Namlook and Fax has LOADS of similar sounding BORING Ambient)...I can see people not liking Soundtrack Saga because its not Ambient enough...but if you like melodic fairly upbeat(not Techno, or Trace though) music I cannot see why you wouldn't like this release. I for one think Soundtrack Saga would EAISLY be one of the best fax releases on the label..sorrry to say, but Namlook has LOADS of crappy cds out(I know he is bound to becasue he has produced so many)...actually 80 percent of the stuff he puts out is just to weird and boring. I don't like "dissing" Namlook on this list(since afterall it is a fax list, and Namlook has produced some of my favorite EM of all time) but all the negative posts about Benisch has kind of made me a little sour. I also noticed quite a bit of dislike towards Waiting For Snow...this is EAISLY(in the top 5) one of the better fax releases..if you like quality EM, then I just don't see why you could dislike this. NOW, if you are not a BIG Em fan like 99 percent of the music buying public I can DEFIENTLY understand people disliking(BOTH cds..it just strikes me as odd, when a good majority of people on here either dislike Soundtrack or Waiting For Snow..not trying to start an uproar, but since Benisch has a fax cd out I think this is a relevant topic on this list. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:29:34 -0800 (PST) From: John Whitney Subject: Re: (fax) Soundtrack Saga - --- Greg Hill wrote: > I don't really understand why so many people on here > dislike or don't want to buy Soundtrack Saga!? The smooth jazzish guitar on the first track turned me off (note I don't like Namlook's jazz noodles so much either). Don't get me wrong, I liked a few tracks (tracks 2 is very cool and driving - track 4 takes you away a bit), but I've only played the disc a few times. My main problem is the music is a little too slick and commercial sounding I guess -- it's too York Peppermint Patty 'take me away' or something in parts :-) and I just can't take it seriously. Just my taste and gut feeling when it hits me -- not meant to be any kind of measuring stick for anyone else. John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 22:52:53 +0100 (MET) From: Leszek Zabinski Subject: Re: (fax) Re: Ethics???? On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, ambient wrote: > For example...i really don`t care for the RI label...but, i will not > make a MD copy and trade the original....so, i mind as well just > keep the original.... now this is stupid... if you don't care for it then why having it in the first place? to gather dust on your shelf or just for a sake of having OOP disc? greets, Leszek. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:56:28 -0800 From: "sanvara" Subject: Re: (fax) Soundtrack Saga > about Benisch has kind of made me a little sour. I > also noticed quite a bit of dislike towards Waiting > For Snow...this is EAISLY(in the top 5) one of the > better fax releases.. > but Namlook has > LOADS of crappy cds out(I know he is bound to becasue > he has produced so many)...actually 80 percent of the > stuff he puts out is just to weird and boring. Yeah but why get sour when opinions about music are totally subjective? Someone else's opinion is not any more valid than yours and doesn't mean anything. Does it ruin your enjoyment of the music if people criticize it? I like Waiting for the Snow but it wouldn't be anywhere near my top 5 fax releases of all-time. I also happen to like 85-90% of the releases on Fax. I think a very small percentage of them are (maybe 10%) are boring or uninteresting. But what's boring to me is not boring to someone else. I also disagree that someone is "bound to" have lots of crappy CD's if they release a lot of CD's. So there you go. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 22:46:37 -0000 From: "Rich" Subject: Re: (fax) Soundtrack Saga > Yeah but why get sour when opinions about music are totally subjective? > Someone else's opinion is not any more valid than yours and doesn't mean > anything. Does it ruin your enjoyment of the music if people criticize it? I > like Waiting for the Snow but it wouldn't be anywhere near my top 5 fax > releases of all-time. I also happen to like 85-90% of the releases on Fax. I > think a very small percentage of them are (maybe 10%) are boring or > uninteresting. But what's boring to me is not boring to someone else. I also > disagree that someone is "bound to" have lots of crappy CD's if they release > a lot of CD's. So there you go. > I have never been failed by a Namlook or Fax release. I do not work for, nor endorse them in any paid way. But about 100% of my collection is brilliant in terms of Fax. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:00:55 -0800 (PST) From: ambient Subject: (fax) RI - --- Leszek Zabinski replied when: ambient wrote: > For example...i really don`t care for the RI label...but, i will not make a MD copy and trade the original....so, i mind as well just keep the original.... > > now this is stupid... > > if you don't care for it then why having it in the first >place? to gather dust on your shelf or just for a sake of >having OOP disc? stupid? everyone is so touchy these days :-) Specifically, my view of RI as being as label that, "i really don`t care for" is mostly because i view it as a shadow casted from FAX. As i also did write that it is a label of straight 7`s...which by most standards...that ain`t too bad :-) so, to reiterate, in the sea of electronic music..RI is OK not worthy, IMO, of either the backup MD or the 2nd copy, unlike 99% of FAX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:34:03 -0800 (PST) From: ambient Subject: (fax) OOP - --- Leszek Zabinski wrote: > to gather dust on your shelf or just for a sake of having >OOP disc? > greets, > Leszek. Actually, my thinking is quite the opposite of the above assumption. If I don`t like a title, it`s OOP or limitation is meaningless. It could disappear forever for all I care and that would be fine. It has no bearing at all to holding a place in my library. So, I won`t keep something I don`t like, just because it is OOP or limited. Reason for my MINT and MD backup obsession; I just don`t look forward to spending more than the pricetag that I paided for 1999 Muslimgauze - Box of Silk and Dogs : lim. 502 or 1993 The Putney - lim. 500 I won`t steal it by copying it to get it, I Will buy it once, and NOT again. ,scoUt P.S. obviously, each of our tastes and stories vary :-) P.S.S. It would be nice if Namlook would release straight to MD. (or any of the newest avenues) P.P.S.S. i also make for a great trader, you can be sure of the condition...just ask Paul :-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 22:39:33 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) RE: Soundtrack Saga... borders :-) jackthetab i think therefore i ambient #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_________________TRIBAL________________\ http://www.superior.net/~zothboy si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ambient" To: Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 6:07 AM Subject: Re: (fax) RE: Soundtrack Saga... > --- Greg Hill wrote: > > Lindego, is a BAD release, not even close to Waiting > > for Snow! BUT, Soundtrack Saga is one of my top 5 EM > > CD's of all time! > > > actually, i did listen to it...at the listening booth of a music > store....if i am not mistaken jack, it was at Borders in Albany, New > York. > > and neither of us bought it. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 20:28:17 -0800 From: "Raphael Almeria" Subject: RE: (fax) Soundtrack Saga >Someone else's opinion is not any more valid than yours and doesn't mean >anything. This is so true. I know that sometimes on various lists people try to make it sound like something is definitively good or bad but it's all just an opinion. Though people will still try to passionately defend or destroy the reputation of the work. Raphael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:28:19 -0000 From: "Rich" Subject: (fax) Adrian Please excuse the topic - Adrian Jenkinson, you emailed me something. It can't be read and there's a .dat file with it. I don't trust these type of files. Please re-send without the attachments. Ta. Rich ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2002 #5 ****************************** --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org