From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2002 #7 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Wednesday, January 9 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 007 RE: (fax) Elektrolux (fax) Fax list RE: (fax) Fax list Re: (fax) Elektrolux RE: (fax) Elektrolux (fax) Some blaspheme regarding Silence (fax) Re: Elektrolux RE: (fax) Elektrolux RE: (fax) Some blaspheme regarding Silence RE: (fax) Elektrolux Re: (fax) Some blaspheme regarding Silence (fax) Adlernebel Re: (fax) Some blaspheme regarding Silence Re: (fax) Some blaspheme regarding Silence Re: (fax) Some blaspheme regarding Silence Re: (fax) Adlernebel Re: (fax) Elektrolux Re: (fax) Some blaspheme regarding Silence Re: (fax) Some blaspheme regarding Silence Re: (fax) Adlernebel (fax) Silence (fax) Elektrolux questions RE: (fax) Some blaspheme regarding Silence RE: (fax) Some blaspheme regarding Silence RE: (fax) Some blaspheme regarding Silence (fax) Gobbledygook Re: (fax) Elektrolux questions ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:42:28 +0100 From: "wolf kemker" Subject: RE: (fax) Elektrolux hi ed, thanks for mentioning elektrolux. most consistent label with relaxed electronic music ever. don't worry about single releases to get. as soon as you have found some, you will want them all, promised. my personal favourites are the jfc cd, index id, sushi club, and autopilot (though a little electro). ciao, wolf. - ----://----------------------------------------------------- mailto:wolf@kompaktkiste.de http://www.soliton-records.de/soliton.htm http://www.kompaktkiste.de - ----://----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 13:08:22 +0000 From: "Paul Ackrill" Subject: (fax) Fax list Wow! The Fax list in-box is bulging...I guess there's nothing better than asking people for their favourite listens to kick off a load of emails. For my own part, I didn't bother, because I don't consider that i yet own an 'adequete' amount of Fax for me to judge. A couple of months ago, I bought 'Silence 1' and posted to this list and commented whether it was really as classic as legend tells. Since that time, i've listened to it quite a bit, and i've learned. Silence IS classic! I guess some of you will be pleased! I would be interested in opinions for my next purchase - I've narrowed it down to Silence 2, Silence 5, Shades of Orion, Outland 1 or Live in Heidlelberg. Any advice? _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 05:15:38 -0800 From: "Raphael Almeria" Subject: RE: (fax) Fax list >I would be interested in opinions for my next purchase - I've narrowed it >down to Silence 2, Silence 5, Shades of Orion, Outland 1 or Live in >Heidlelberg. Any advice? Silence 2 is better than Silence 1. So go for it! Did you not get the double-cd pack of Silence I+II? Silence 5 is very good. Shades of Orion is also good but not as good as the Silence series. Outland is a classic but still not Silence! Cheers, Raphael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 08:39:23 -0600 From: Mxyzptlk Subject: Re: (fax) Elektrolux Hi Ed. This really depends on what you like as elektrolux moves from electro to ambient and hits several points between per various artists. I've yet to find a klunker on this wonderful label, though. Personally I like JFC (you might try "Chrome de Lux"), Full Moon Fashions ("Always Feed the Fish"), DRON ("Parsec"), Ruxpin ("Midnight Drive") and both Quantum Leap records ("Fotoplay" and "Redsun") I have heard. Raushfaktor is nice as well. They have a ton of samplers available, so I'd start there. From the consistency I've heard in all of the releases I've checked out thus far, I'd say that elektrolux is one of the best kept secrets going. jeff At 04:18 AM 1/8/2002, Edward Jones wrote: >I have the two Aural Float CDs on this label, and am curious as to the rest >of their output. Can anyone recommend a few other "essential" titles on the >label for me to sample, as the label sounds interesting! > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 08:43:44 -0600 From: Mxyzptlk Subject: RE: (fax) Elektrolux I'll heave an 'amen' on to this pile. I've been scouring used bins, ebay and GEMM for a long while to scarf up what I can. If one has patience (not the most easily navigable site!), here's the website : http://www.elektrolux.com At 04:42 AM 1/8/2002, wolf kemker wrote: >hi ed, > >thanks for mentioning elektrolux. >most consistent label with relaxed electronic music ever. > >don't worry about single releases to get. >as soon as you have found some, >you will want them all, promised. > >my personal favourites are the jfc cd, >index id, sushi club, >and autopilot (though a little electro). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 13:10:22 +0000 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: (fax) Some blaspheme regarding Silence For my money Silence 3 is easily the best in the series. If memory serves correctly that was also the consensus when the top Fax poll was taken a few months back? >Shades of Orion is also good but not as good as the Silence series. >Outland is a classic but still not Silence! There's no right or wrong here and if you like Silence 1 then you'll probably like any of the others. However, before you work your way through the Silence series I would *definately* check out the recent reissues of real classics like Ambient Otaku, Shades Of Orion and Outland. For what it's worth (it's only my taste) these are superior releases to Silence 1+2 by a long chalk. However, I'd also have to suggest getting Air 1+2 before you delve deeper into Silence as they're better too. Maybe Silence 1+2 suffer a little from being over-hyped as they came so early on in Fax's history? They obviously broke new ground at the time but, sound a bit naive now imho. I actually off-loaded them last year simply because I got bored listening but, not so any of the other aforementioned releases. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 05:51:10 -0800 (PST) From: Hyp Nom Subject: (fax) Re: Elektrolux my favourite Elektrolux records: Ambient Diary II Ruxpin/Midnight Drive Subtonal/Dark Distortions Azure Taint/Funky Elements Aural Float/Introspectives Cold/Strobelight Network Autopilot/The Voice Inside DrÖn/Parsec Estelle Montenegro/Lakeside George Pallikaris/Silk Soehngenetic/Dieneuser Soehngenetic/Second Hand Supreme Particles/Light as Skin The Sushi Club/Sushidelic ÜNN/Relief - -> www.elektrolux.com/releases for real audio of every album __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:58:07 +0100 From: "Twining, Chris" Subject: RE: (fax) Elektrolux Care to describe these, Ed? Are they the sort of thing that would generally appeal to other FAX-heads? Chris - -----Original Message----- From: Edward Jones [mailto:EJONES@iirltd.co.uk] Sent: 08 January 2002 10:19 To: 'faxlist@2350.org' Subject: (fax) Elektrolux I have the two Aural Float CDs on this label, and am curious as to the rest of their output. Can anyone recommend a few other "essential" titles on the label for me to sample, as the label sounds interesting! DISCLAIMER: The information in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or distribution of the message, or any action or omission taken by you in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please immediately contact the sender if you have received this message in error. Thank you. _____________________________________________________________________ (O)This message has been checked for all known viruses by MessageLabs. - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 06:03:40 -0800 From: "Raphael Almeria" Subject: RE: (fax) Some blaspheme regarding Silence >For my money Silence 3 is easily the best in the series. If memory >serves correctly that was also the consensus when the top Fax poll >was taken a few months back? I wouldn't know since I don't have it. It was probably released when I took a break from FAX in the mid to late 90s. Does anyone know where one can get this release as I have been wanting to get it for a while now. Cheers, Raphael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:28:08 -0000 From: Edward Jones Subject: RE: (fax) Elektrolux I purchased the Aural Float CDs as they involve the delicious talents of Mr Pascal FEOS (amongst others). They are both very good albums and would definitely appeal to Fax heads. Hence my interest. They are certainly more on the commercial side of ambient electronica, as they are very melodic and the sequencing isn't terribly challenging - but what the hell! If it sounds good, who cares about the techniques behind it. Certainly worth checking out. Speaking of "more commercial ambient electronica", I was out of the office yesterday so did not get the opportunity to chuck my opinion in about Mr Benisch. I have all three of his CDs and rate them all. "Waiting For Snow" probably contains his two or three best tracks, but I find "Lindego" to be the most consistent. "Soundtrack Saga", whilst probably the weakest of the three, is definitely still well worth your attention, with some beautifully constructed melodic washes in it. I have to be honest and say that these three CDs have given me at least as much musical enjoyment as the bulk of the fax back catalogue, so I was amazed at the apparent "Benisch backlash" on the list yesterday. He may lack the subtlety of vintage Inoue or Reeves, but he isn't trying to do that. "Waiting For Snow" has an assured slot in my all time top 5 Fax. So there you have it. Shoot me down, guys! DISCLAIMER: The information in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or distribution of the message, or any action or omission taken by you in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please immediately contact the sender if you have received this message in error. Thank you. _____________________________________________________________________ (O)This message has been checked for all known viruses by MessageLabs. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 13:56:47 +0000 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: Re: (fax) Some blaspheme regarding Silence >>For my money Silence 3 is easily the best in the series. >I wouldn't know since I don't have it. It was probably released when >I took a break from FAX in the mid to late 90s. If memory serves it was the first release of '98. >Does anyone know where one can get this release as I have been wanting >to get it for a while now. Again, going from memory, it went out-of-print within a couple of years ... unusual for a PK08 release but, a reflection of the fact that it's unusually good for a PK08 release! CUE certainly hasn't got it listed at the EMC so start offering some tasty titles to trade and you might get lucky! (I was so disappointed by 4 that I didn't bother with 5) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:04:46 -0800 (PST) From: John Whitney Subject: (fax) Adlernebel What is the general opinion about this release? The review @2350.org didn't really make me run out and buy it, but I saw someone put it on their top 5 list. Let me know. Thanks! John Whitney __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:13:02 -0500 (EST) From: laerm Subject: Re: (fax) Some blaspheme regarding Silence On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Paul Milligan wrote: > For my money Silence 3 is easily the best in the series. If memory > serves correctly that was also the consensus when the top Fax poll was > taken a few months back? in a sense - I & III tied at four votes each, and II garnered three votes. IV picked up one, so it depends on how you look at it, i suppose. micah stupak /"\ laerm soulfood.org \ / the world is falling down international bright young kook X and it may as well crash ascii ribbon campaign / \ with me against html email ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:33:39 -0800 From: "sanvara" Subject: Re: (fax) Some blaspheme regarding Silence > in a sense - I & III tied at four votes each, and II garnered three votes. > IV picked up one, so it depends on how you look at it, i suppose. Obviously that's not enough votes to mean anything. I rank them 1. Silence I 2. Silence II 3.Silence III The whole series is great though. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:11:28 EST From: Upaka@aol.com Subject: Re: (fax) Some blaspheme regarding Silence In a message dated 1/8/02 8:44:09 AM, paulmilligan@btconnect.com wrote: >For my money Silence 3 is easily the best in the series. If memory >serves correctly that was also the consensus when the top Fax poll >was taken a few months back? Yeah I completely agree. I really like this record. Although I like 4 a lot too. I'm not really going to talk about Silence 1&2 at all, because I'll start talking about all the samples and people will get mad at me :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:18:17 EST From: Upaka@aol.com Subject: Re: (fax) Adlernebel In a message dated 1/8/02 3:05:11 PM, you wrote: >What is the general opinion about this release? I really like it. Light bouncy melodic trance. Nothing very hard or challenging, just fun. If you don't like Namlook's trance output, I wouldn't get it. If you do, then get it. Also wins the award for 'most easy to spot sample on Fax'. /David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:46:28 +0100 (MET) From: Leszek Zabinski Subject: Re: (fax) Elektrolux On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Edward Jones wrote: > of their output. Can anyone recommend a few other "essential" titles on the > label for me to sample, as the label sounds interesting! Aural Float is a project of guys that run Elektrolux: Alex Azary and Gabriel Le Mar. As someone said already styles in this label vary. I rate them high for a high sense of 'compilation art' as they put out some great comps series gathering the finest outputs within the various styles on the label (compilations were titled "Elektro Codes", "Dub Backups", "Ambient Diary"). If you, like me, prefer rather ambient side then you should check out the following artists: Fresh Moods, Full Moon Fashions, Babel, Insect Jazz. Too bad that those are early releases by the label and thus not easy to spot nowadays. As far as I know every Elektrolux release was packaged in a stylish digipak with impressive artwork. My copy of "Ambient Diary.One" is a true beauty to watch (and listen to ofcourse). greets, Leszek. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:06:11 +0100 (MET) From: Leszek Zabinski Subject: Re: (fax) Some blaspheme regarding Silence On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Paul Milligan wrote: > > For my money Silence 3 is easily the best in the series. If memory just couldn't help but agree on this! and... I always wanted to say this... Silences 1&2 are just tooooooooo long for me. Don't get me wrong I like long discs but to a point. I can't help it but the boredom kicks in sometimes when listening to both. Repetitive? Yes, but in the wrong way. And still those monster-tracks like "Omid/Hope", "Life/Death" consists of a beautiful passages really. PK should practice his editing skills a little bit more in the early days, no? And on the other hand... Silence 4 was kind of brief in running time and I rate it just barely below the first opuses. So it depends. cheers to everyone, Leszek. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:15:27 -0500 (EST) From: laerm Subject: Re: (fax) Some blaspheme regarding Silence On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, sanvara wrote: > Obviously that's not enough votes to mean anything. no, not really. or at least it's not as obvious a difference as in the case of the votes for _2350 broadway_ - III got ten, II got seven, and I got zero. micah stupak /"\ laerm soulfood.org \ / the world is falling down international bright young kook X and it may as well crash ascii ribbon campaign / \ with me against html email ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:12:11 -0000 From: "David Calvert" Subject: Re: (fax) Adlernebel It's one of my fave's too (I put it in my current top 5). The 'easy to spot sample' fits very well but if someone told me Namlook was going to sample America before I'd heard it I would not have believed it would have worked. It's also easier to get hold of than most titles which appear in people's top 5 so it gets a plus on that account as well. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 9:18 PM Subject: Re: (fax) Adlernebel > > In a message dated 1/8/02 3:05:11 PM, you wrote: > > >What is the general opinion about this release? > > I really like it. Light bouncy melodic trance. Nothing very hard or > challenging, just fun. If you don't like Namlook's trance output, I wouldn't > get it. If you do, then get it. Also wins the award for 'most easy to spot > sample on Fax'. > > /David > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:08:14 -0800 (PST) From: ambient Subject: (fax) Silence > Maybe Silence 1+2 suffer naah, it is the person who suffers :-( > came so early on in Fax's history? I actually off-loaded > them last year simply because I got bored listening IMO, Silence will always be at the thrown. (S II, Air I + II) I have played it 5 times in the last 7 years, Total! I will not grow bored of it, as it is a masterpiece. then again, i would grow bored of these if they were displayed on my front entranceway to my home and i looked at them everyday. http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Palais/4714/dav3.jpg http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Palais/4714/dav2.jpg ,scoUt :-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:27:06 -0800 (PST) From: Greg Hill Subject: (fax) Elektrolux questions All of this discussion about Elektrolux has got me interested..I love electro music(this is the type of Electronic music that started it all for me! ITS TIME!!Jonzun Crew, Newcleus, etc..)..what are some of the better electro melodic cds on the label, I defiently want to pick up a few(not as interested in the more ambient, space style)...my next question is where the hell do you buy some of the cds from this label?!? I couldn't find any web sites(AB-CD, Darla, Ear-Rational) none of them had any of the cds... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:16:09 -0800 From: "Raphael Almeria" Subject: RE: (fax) Some blaspheme regarding Silence >On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, sanvara wrote: > >> Obviously that's not enough votes to mean anything. > >no, not really. or at least it's not as obvious a difference as in the >case of the votes for _2350 broadway_ - III got ten, II got seven, and I >got zero. Really? III got more votes than II and more than I? I thought I was supposed to be ambient bliss? I have both I and II and they seem like garbage. YMMV. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:20:45 -0000 From: Edward Jones Subject: RE: (fax) Some blaspheme regarding Silence > I thought I was supposed to be ambient bliss? But Raphael, you ARE ambient bliss!!! ;-) DISCLAIMER: The information in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or distribution of the message, or any action or omission taken by you in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please immediately contact the sender if you have received this message in error. Thank you. _____________________________________________________________________ (O)This message has been checked for all known viruses by MessageLabs. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:25:25 -0800 From: "Raphael Almeria" Subject: RE: (fax) Some blaspheme regarding Silence >> I thought I was supposed to be ambient bliss? > >But Raphael, you ARE ambient bliss!!! ;-) ha, ha! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 08:57:21 +0000 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: (fax) Gobbledygook >> Maybe Silence 1+2 suffer >naah, it is the person who suffers Excuse me? >IMO, Silence will always be at the thrown. (S II, Air I + II) Excuse me? >I have played it 5 times in the last 7 years, Total! >I will not grow bored of it, as it is a masterpiece. Point? (If I owned a masterpiece I would be inclined to play it more than an average of once every 16 months.) >then again, i would grow bored of these if they were displayed on my >front entranceway to my home and i looked at them everyday. >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Palais/4714/dav3.jpg >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Palais/4714/dav2.jpg Excuse me? Any chance of translating above - I'm lost in your sea of 'Scoutspeak' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 05:58:27 -0800 (PST) From: John Whitney Subject: Re: (fax) Elektrolux questions You can order straight from their site w/ a credit card. Happy shopping. John - --- Greg Hill wrote: > All of this discussion about Elektrolux has got me > interested..I love electro music(this is the type of > Electronic music that started it all for me! ITS > TIME!!Jonzun Crew, Newcleus, etc..)..what are some > of > the better electro melodic cds on the label, I > defiently want to pick up a few(not as interested in > the more ambient, space style)...my next question is > where the hell do you buy some of the cds from this > label?!? I couldn't find any web sites(AB-CD, Darla, > Ear-Rational) none of them had any of the cds... > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! 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