From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2002 #14 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Friday, January 18 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 014 Re: (fax) Tetsu Re: (fax) Tetsu Re: (fax) Tetsu Re: (fax) Tetsu Re: (fax) Tetsu Re: (fax) Tetsu Re: (fax) Tetsu Re: (fax) Tetsu (fax) Bola (fax) man made motion Re: (fax) man made motion Re: (fax) Tetsu backlash - now Namlook (fax) Burnt Friedmann (fax) re: Burnt Friedmann RE: (fax) Bola Re: (fax) Tetsu backlash - now Namlook Re: (fax) Tetsu backlash - now Namlook Re: (fax) Tetsu backlash - now Namlook (fax) Born again Faxers Re: (fax) Tetsu backlash - now Namlook RE: (fax) Born again Faxers (fax) Various Ramblings Re: (fax) Various Ramblings (fax) Qualifying great Fax music (formerly Namlook backlash) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:07:39 +0000 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: Re: (fax) Tetsu >is a sell out! I know your game Jack! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:43:46 -0500 (EST) From: Warren Lapham Subject: Re: (fax) Tetsu On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, jackthetab wrote: > is a sell out! well, yeah. all of his fax solo titles (original versions) are all very much sold-out, right? i imagine most of his collaborations are, too. c'mon, jack -- if you're going to drop a bomb like that (and want to be taken seriously), why don't you at least flesh out your opinion a little more, so we know why you think what you think, instead of leaving us with nothing more than vague, inarticulate negativity? please, everyone: do not feed the troll. thanks. - -w. - -- Warren Lapham. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:47:47 -0600 (CST) From: Phonaut Subject: Re: (fax) Tetsu > is a sell out! > jackthetab That's funny, usually a sell-out continues on with a style that was previously successful. I don't see that happening here. In fact, it's the direct oppoesite, Tetsu is persuing a sound that is somewhat shrugged off by fans of his 'ambient style' So perhaps you'd like to clarify (or get your facts straight)? Surely you aren't suggesting that his releases on non-limited-edition labels as the reason. That is, of course, laughable. n/p . . . . . . ..... . . . . . . Official Tetsu Inoue Homepage, RadioShow Playlists, and Trades @: http://ww1.math.luc.edu/~njurcin or http://phonaut.cjb.net/ (chat) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:19:09 +0000 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: Re: (fax) Tetsu >> is a sell out! >> jackthetab We should *all* know Jack's game! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:56:13 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) Tetsu I dont know, I find most of Tetsu's solo work irritating. lets see.... I do like 62 Eulengasse, but find that there doesnt seem to be much going on musically. I find myself putting in a new disc 1/2 way thro....At times I forget that I have a cd in and playing. I guess some of you would say that is a good thing....but I find it rather boring that way. Maybe it is just to minimal fer me. I have also listened to Slow and Low, and tho I cannot remember exactly what it sounds like....I remember never finishing the cd. I find the release to be more abstract than many of the fax releases. Nor do I like the rip off release from Dr. Atmo...... I could go on about some of his other works, but what the hell....yer all gonna flame me anyways. jackthetab i think therefore i ambient #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_________________TRIBAL________________\ http://www.superior.net/~zothboy si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Lapham" To: Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 12:43 PM Subject: Re: (fax) Tetsu > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, jackthetab wrote: > > > is a sell out! > > well, yeah. all of his fax solo titles (original versions) are all > very much sold-out, right? i imagine most of his collaborations are, too. > > c'mon, jack -- if you're going to drop a bomb like that (and want to be > taken seriously), why don't you at least flesh out your opinion a little > more, so we know why you think what you think, instead of leaving us with > nothing more than vague, inarticulate negativity? > > please, everyone: do not feed the troll. thanks. > > -w. > > > -- > Warren Lapham. > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:07:22 -0500 (EST) From: Warren Lapham Subject: Re: (fax) Tetsu well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. but WTF does you thinking his ambient discs on FAX are too minimal have to do with his being a "sell out"? i really don't see the connection. christ, he's not even making that style of music anymore -- hasn't been for years. slow & low came out, what, 6 1/2 years ago? if i were a cynical man, i'd probably think that you just liked to send provacative messages to e-mail lists in the midst of otherwise intelligent discussions just to get a rise out of everyone by expressing an unpopular opinion, only to back down (and blame everyone else) when other people call you out on how bizarre, unsupported, and/or irrelevant your opinion is. i'm glad i'm not that cynical, though. - -w. On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, jackthetab wrote: > I dont know, I find most of Tetsu's solo work irritating. > lets see.... > I do like 62 Eulengasse, but find that there doesnt seem to be much going on > musically. I find myself putting in a new disc 1/2 way thro....At times I > forget that I have a cd in and playing. I guess some of you would say that > is a good thing....but I find it rather boring that way. Maybe it is just to > minimal fer me. > > I have also listened to Slow and Low, and tho I cannot remember exactly what > it sounds like....I remember never finishing the cd. I find the release to > be more abstract than many of the fax releases. Nor do I like the rip off > release from Dr. Atmo...... > > I could go on about some of his other works, but what the hell....yer all > gonna flame me anyways. > > jackthetab > > i think therefore i ambient > #####\ _ /##### > #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# > ##### | /_woof/ | ##### > #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# > # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # > #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# > #####/ ######/ \###### \##### > /_________________TRIBAL________________\ > http://www.superior.net/~zothboy > si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren Lapham" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 12:43 PM > Subject: Re: (fax) Tetsu > > > > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, jackthetab wrote: > > > > > is a sell out! > > > > well, yeah. all of his fax solo titles (original versions) are all > > very much sold-out, right? i imagine most of his collaborations are, too. > > > > c'mon, jack -- if you're going to drop a bomb like that (and want to be > > taken seriously), why don't you at least flesh out your opinion a little > > more, so we know why you think what you think, instead of leaving us with > > nothing more than vague, inarticulate negativity? > > > > please, everyone: do not feed the troll. thanks. > > > > -w. > > > > > > -- > > Warren Lapham. > > > > --- > > + To post: ; to mail a person: > > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > > > > - -- Warren Lapham. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:20:43 -0800 (PST) From: dj monolith Subject: Re: (fax) Tetsu - --- jackthetab wrote: Nor > do I like the rip off > release from Dr. Atmo...... Aha! I have been waiting for a good time to bring this up. What is the deal with this Atmo CD? I recall reading somewhere that it was released then pulled because it was an obvious plagerism. Is this true? What is the album? Is this really the only solo Atmo album? Thanks, Darcy ( dj monolith) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:50:58 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) Tetsu correct me if I am wrong, but that is what happened. Compare the titles, and compare the music. The Dr. Atmo release was very very similiar in sound, just a bit slower than tetsu's. Upon realizing this...the label pulled the disc frlom the catalogue, but by then....many had already been in music stores....So do I take it that this will soon be a rare release? Dr. Atmos release was entitled MAN MADE MOTION.....and was a rip off of Tetsu's SLOW AND LOW..... track titles.... Man Made Motion and Slow and Low Atmo: heaven/earth Tetsu: Man Made Heaven Atmo: static Tetsu: Static Soul Atmo: motion Tetsu: Automatic Motion Atmo: slow Tetsu: Slow and Low Atmo: automatic Tetsu: Polychrome Chant Atmo: vision Tetsu: Speculative Vision jackthetab i think therefore i ambient #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_________________TRIBAL________________\ http://www.superior.net/~zothboy si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes - ----- Original Message ----- From: "dj monolith" To: "jackthetab" ; "Warren Lapham" Cc: "FAX-E" Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 1:20 PM Subject: Re: (fax) Tetsu > > --- jackthetab wrote: > Nor > > do I like the rip off > > release from Dr. Atmo...... > > Aha! I have been waiting for a good time to bring > this up. What is the deal with this Atmo CD? I > recall reading somewhere that it was released then > pulled because it was an obvious plagerism. Is this > true? What is the album? Is this really the only > solo Atmo album? > > Thanks, > Darcy ( dj monolith) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:20:14 -0600 From: "Jonathan Osborne" Subject: (fax) Bola > Slightly off-topic, but relevant to any fans of electronica: anyone heard > the new Bola CD on Skam yet? Yeah, I've listened to it once all the way through. I'm impressed with his technique and skill in constructing tracks (as always), but the heart seems to be missing. I've been waiting for this album for almost three years now, and I don't think I'm disappointed, but it doesn't compare to Soup. Then again, what does? Track 9 on the new one is the best, I think. The album seems to be much more depressing than Soup, which is a troubling turn of events. I'm not ready to write it off yet, but it did not grab me upon first listen the way Soup did. Maybe it just needs more listens, or maybe it really isn't very good. Other opinions on this album are welcome, since absolutely nothing new of interest seems to be happening in the Fax world. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:21:50 -0600 (CST) From: Phonaut Subject: (fax) man made motion > Aha! I have been waiting for a good time to bring > this up. What is the deal with this Atmo CD? I > recall reading somewhere that it was released then > pulled because it was an obvious plagerism. Is this http://www.usatt.org/rseguine/FAX/fax_facts/ManMadeMotion.html Man Made Motion IS the Slow & Low album in full, but slowed down about 8.5% and EQ'd a bit differently (poorly, IMO) > true? What is the album? Is this really the only solo Atmo album? There was another Dr Atmo solo album, the title had something to do with genetics, but i don't know whether it was ever released. all i can pull up in a websearch about it is Genetic Drift which is obviously not it... > So do I take it that this [Man Made Motion] will soon be a rare release? as you can see from the ebay auction, it's not so valuable($1.99): http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1501462475 But having Slow & Low on vinyl would be pretty nifty. and here's an old relevant post: On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Phonaut wrote: To my knowledge there was no lawsuit, although there might have been, had Ritornell [Mille Plateaux's sublabel] not recalled. Anyway who cares, i don't see why that would affect whether people want to buy it or not. But i have to ask, why would a counterfeit be more valuable then the original, which is already limited and hard to find? n/p np: Vuemorph "In Expectancy of the Monumental Awe" (tnx monolith!) . . . . . . ..... . . . . . . Official Tetsu Inoue Homepage, RadioShow Playlists, and Trades @: http://ww1.math.luc.edu/~njurcin or http://phonaut.cjb.net/ (chat) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:27:25 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) man made motion I dont know why it would be more valuable...but I do know that many people have asked me if I would trade my copy....I always say no....but there is a market fer everything, including rip off's jackthetab i think therefore i ambient #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_________________TRIBAL________________\ http://www.superior.net/~zothboy si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phonaut" To: "+49-69/450464" Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 2:21 PM Subject: (fax) man made motion > > > Aha! I have been waiting for a good time to bring > > this up. What is the deal with this Atmo CD? I > > recall reading somewhere that it was released then > > pulled because it was an obvious plagerism. Is this > > http://www.usatt.org/rseguine/FAX/fax_facts/ManMadeMotion.html > > Man Made Motion IS the Slow & Low album in full, but slowed > down about 8.5% and EQ'd a bit differently (poorly, IMO) > > > true? What is the album? Is this really the only solo Atmo album? > > There was another Dr Atmo solo album, the title had something to > do with genetics, but i don't know whether it was ever released. > all i can pull up in a websearch about it is Genetic Drift which > is obviously not it... > > > So do I take it that this [Man Made Motion] will soon be a rare release? > > as you can see from the ebay auction, it's not so valuable($1.99): > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1501462475 > But having Slow & Low on vinyl would be pretty nifty. > and here's an old relevant post: > > On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Phonaut wrote: > > To my knowledge there was no lawsuit, although there might have > been, had Ritornell [Mille Plateaux's sublabel] not recalled. Anyway who > cares, i don't see why that would affect whether people want to buy it or > not. But i have to ask, why would a counterfeit be more valuable then > the original, which is already limited and hard to find? > > n/p > np: Vuemorph "In Expectancy of the Monumental Awe" (tnx monolith!) > . . . . . . ..... . . . . . . > Official Tetsu Inoue Homepage, RadioShow Playlists, and Trades @: > http://ww1.math.luc.edu/~njurcin or http://phonaut.cjb.net/ (chat) > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:36:06 -0800 From: "sanvara" Subject: Re: (fax) Tetsu backlash - now Namlook > >> (*Notwithstanding that PK has arguably done a few things over the > >> past few years to deconstruct the Fax legend.) > > >That's not really fair though...I guarantee you there are segments of > >people out there that love the releases that you don't > > You misunderstand. My point here is a wider one than just moaning > about the drop off in quality (and that's 'quality' as in a lack of > classics, rather than the mean average anyway)...it's a comment on his > strategy, for want of better description. I guess my point is that there is no consensus that any legacy is being tarnished or that there is a drop off in classics. He's just going a different route. His music is more experimental now, and more challenging to listen to than the earlier releases. And many people like that. Not that the early material wasn't great, it is, but if he kept producing the same type of "classics" over and over again in the same formula they would cease to be classics anymore. All artists have to expand, push the boundaries and go into territory that is not safe and accepted or creativity ceases to exist. > Examples are: dropping the Sub Label and just pumping out his own stuff, > (and therefore starving the label of new blood), putting out as many > re-releases and compilations as he does new material, dropping the now > famous circle from artworks, effectively ceasing to perform live outside > Germany and generally retreating into his own Traben Trarbach world. > But, hey, all those things are his perogative. Just as it is mine to > state my disapproval within this forum. Dropping the circle from the artwork is really an issue for you? That's really nit-picking in my opinion. When I read stuff like that it gives the impression that you are going out of your way to try and find fault. It also doesn't seem fair to criticize someone because they only released five albums last year. Hey, maybe he has other things going on in his life, and other priorities, and he doesn't have the time to devote to signing new artists, managing the labe,l or release the volume of music like he did in the past. Yeah it's too bad, but that's life. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:14:57 +1100 From: "andre@sansserif.com.au" Subject: (fax) Burnt Friedmann Not exactly Fax but near enough for a post. Burnt Friedmann played live in sydney on wednesday night.. it was the first time i had heard the man ever, after hearing a bit about him through his colloborations with Atom Heart. I always find it funny when i go to a gig to hear someone play and before that person plays you have the support DJs playing not too bad but not too good 'dance' music (as in music people were dancing too, not dance music) And then when the main act goes on, the music goes from ass shaking to 'what the fuck?' instantly and everyone who was once dancing is now standing still and staring at a man sitting down behind a computer, pressing some keys.. from a distance it looks like a whole bunch of people looking at a painting in a gallery.. Anyway, this commentary aside, after a few minutes the set got quite listenable.. i could hear the similarities between Burnt and Atom altough im not a big Atom fan.. lots of intricly sequenced sounds thrown together both in and out of the rythm to make the final product.. and eventuually progressed back into dancable stuff.. so my question is for the Friedmann newbie, me, what can you reccommend?? lo.rez / hi.rez / and.rez andre ruello - sansserifgrafik ph. 0414 611 635 - http://www.sansserif.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:20:11 -0800 From: "dubhifi ambient" Subject: (fax) re: Burnt Friedmann hi all: 2 of my friedmann faves are: "drome - dromed" & "burnt friedmann & the new dub players - just landed". the latter for a laid back dubby tip. check them out ! dubhifi Get your Free E-mail at http://dubhifi.zzn.com ____________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:27:44 -0000 From: Edward Jones Subject: RE: (fax) Bola My copy of the new one arrived last night, and after one late night audition I can honestly say that I am mightily impressed. There is something about the subtly of the Bolaman's programming - unpredictable beats and gorgeous washes of ambient pads - that really hits home with me. I agree with Jonathan that the album is a shift from "Soup", but then he has done that now and it's always good to see artists moving on. I found "Soup" to be rather nostalgic for the 1993-4 "Artificial Intelligence" sound, which is a good thing as I share his sentiment(ality). But three years down the line he has understandably forged ahead in another direction which I think would appeal to people on this list. I think it will be a grower (but it impressed me from the outset) and certainly looks like being one of the year's great albums. And we have a new Boards of Canada album to look forward to in a month's time as well! Hooray! You are spoiling us! DISCLAIMER: The information in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or distribution of the message, or any action or omission taken by you in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please immediately contact the sender if you have received this message in error. Thank you. _____________________________________________________________________ (O)This message has been checked for all known viruses by MessageLabs. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:30:12 +0000 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: Re: (fax) Tetsu backlash - now Namlook >I guess my point is that there is no consensus that any legacy is being >tarnished or that there is a drop off in classics. Sorry, I don't want to sound like I'm nit-picking but, I said that some of his recent activities were deconstructing the legend and that's not the same as saying the legacy is being tarnished. Allow me to elucidate on the subtle difference...the legacy is the music and that stands, regardless. However, the legend is far more intangible; it's what Fax came to represent and that has (in this writers opinion) been undermined by, primarily, the fact that PK has changed from an outward to an inward looking strategy of late. >He's just going a different route. His music is more experimental now, >and more challenging to listen to than the earlier releases. I couldn't disagree with you more. Apart from the fact that PK's music is no more experimental today than many of his earlier works (too many examples to even bother listing here) there was undoubtably a lot of ground-breaking stuff released on the Sub Label in the mid-90's which was far more experimental than the stuff Fax has been releasing for the last three years. >... if he kept producing the same type of "classics" over and over again >in the same formula they would cease to be classics anymore. All artists >have to expand, push the boundaries and go into territory that is not safe >and accepted or creativity ceases to exist. This sounds more like an argument more in support of my view than one opposing it. I *want* the non-formulary sounds. Are you seriously saying that most of the Fax releases from recent years "push the boundaries"? Furthermore, I'd hasten to add that Fax has only released one truly great album since the likes of Silence 3 and Sferics in back in 98 (ie. Wired) and that hardly operates in "unsafe" territory. >It also doesn't seem fair to criticize someone because they only released >five albums last year. Hey, maybe ... he doesn't have the time to devote >to signing new artists... or release the volume of music like in the past. But, it is fair. That's partly why the List exists. As Ed said, we're not just here to lap up every morsel offered to us with reverent praise. Blimey, I doubt even Pete himself would want that sort of sheepism (well, on an artistic level, if not a commercial one) so, I can only restate that it *is* my prerogative to disapprove and say so here. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 04:15:54 -0800 From: "sanvara" Subject: Re: (fax) Tetsu backlash - now Namlook > I'd hasten to add that Fax has only released one truly great > album since the likes of Silence 3 and Sferics in back in 98 (ie. Wired) What is your definition of "truly great"? I think there have been many excellent releases since '98. Just purely at random, I was listening to Fires of Ork II, Shado II and 4 Voice III tonight (all released after Silence 3/Sferics) and I think they are all outstanding. Listening to the first track on Fires of Ork II right now. One of my favorite tracks ever released on Fax, and absolutely, "truly great". The atmosphere and melody on that track is so incredibly haunting. You seem to be a bigger fan of the sublabel. I like most of the sublabel releases but I've always liked the PK and PW releases the best. > here to lap up every morsel offered to us with reverent praise. Blimey, > I doubt even Pete himself would want that sort of sheepism (well, on an > artistic level, if not a commercial one) so, I can only restate that it *is* > my prerogative to disapprove and say so here. Of course it is everyone's perogative to disapprove if they so choose. Don't take my disagreement with some of your opinions as an opinion that you shouldn't express anything but glowing views. But you are down on the label way more than I am. I still like 80-90% of the releases. So do you think he is purposefully releasing crap to make fools out of us all? Or is it the result of a lack of effort to keep the cash flowing with the least amount of work? Or maybe is he just so out of touch with reality he doesn't know what is good and what isn't anymore? :-P ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:20:11 +0000 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: Re: (fax) Tetsu backlash - now Namlook >What is your definition of "truly great"? Well, if I try to quantify that I'd say it has to basically do BOTH of two things... please me *greatly* and do the same for the vast majority of those on this list who've heard it and are similarly prepared to comment en masse. Not very technical I know. (Without wishing to sound in any way elitist, it would also factor that those commenting had experience of sufficient other Fax releases to benchmark against...and I'm NOT suggesting you don't) >So do you think he is purposefully releasing crap to make fools >out of us all? No. not in the least. >...Or maybe is he just so out of touch with reality he doesn't >know what is good and what isn't anymore? Well I wouldn't put it that strongly (or simplistically) and I don't know enough about his circumstances these days to go that far. However, I did express an opinion that he has become far more inward looking in recent years and I'll leave it at that. I'm trying to be constructive in my comment because I still very much respect the guy for what he has achieved musically and in terms of Fax ('limited') over the last ten years. Hence my disappointment at what I perceive as an unfortunate change in direction in more recent times. I'll stop there. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:45:23 +0000 From: "Paul Ackrill" Subject: (fax) Born again Faxers Quite a few people introducing themselves...whereas I just barged right in. Am I rude? Hi, I'm Paul, I like Fax. And the HIA. And now Bill Laswell too. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 05:54:43 -0800 From: "sanvara" Subject: Re: (fax) Tetsu backlash - now Namlook > >What is your definition of "truly great"? > > Well, if I try to quantify that I'd say it has to basically do > BOTH of two things... please me *greatly* and do the same for > the vast majority of those on this list who've heard it and are > similarly prepared to comment en masse. Well I think you should be careful about relying on the opinions of the minority group of vocal people on a mailing list to make determinations on the value of a particular work of music. The people who express opinions on mailing lists are proportionately very few compared to much larger majority of Fax fans who do not post on mailing lists. This could very easily skew your perception of what Fax fans as a whole really think of a particular work. I think it's much more valid to use your own judgement to assign worth, rather than rely on posts from a mailing list. It's way too unreliable of a measure. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:52:37 -0000 From: Edward Jones Subject: RE: (fax) Born again Faxers Help! Another Paul on the list! One is enough. Really! ;-) DISCLAIMER: The information in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or distribution of the message, or any action or omission taken by you in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please immediately contact the sender if you have received this message in error. Thank you. _____________________________________________________________________ (O)This message has been checked for all known viruses by MessageLabs. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:28:38 +0000 From: "Peter Dunlop" Subject: (fax) Various Ramblings Firstly, thanks to everyone who provided opinions on the albums I asked about. It's greatly appreciated. Next up: There are Fax discs I own which, while liking them very much, I feel are a bit unfocused - jumping from one style to another in a manner which can make a release feel more like a randon collection of songs than a fully considered album. Examples could be Fires of Ork and Shades of Orion 1. I consider both of these to be fine discs and rate them very highly but in each case I feel the style jumps around in a manner which can sometimes be frustrating - I love Did You Ever Retire A Human? but wonder if it really fits in with the rest of the album pretty much like the reviewer on 2350.org did. Similarly, Fires of Ork starts off with some nice toe-tapping beats but then follows up immediately with a totally chilled out affair. Personally, I don't like this approach and it frequently prevents me from playing a disc through as a whole. I know some will like this eclectic style but I usually like to get into some kind of groove with an album and keep it there. What do others think? Paul Wrote: I know CyScan is pretty minimalistic stuff but, it works for me at 1.00am in the morning. To which Nick wrote: it can be a bit scary at that sorta time with the lights out :) I know what you mean. I think this is fairly excellent dark stuff and have used it regularly to get to sleep to but I don't recommend watching Blair Witch Project and then putting Cymatic Scan on. I did and had to get up and change it for Shades of Orion 2 - much less threatening! Anthony wrote: Used to own (used loosely) a little underground club called Global Warming in Ft. Lauderdale, I've definitely heard of it Anthony and I live in the UK. Can't rememebr where or when but I did. Just thought you'd like to know that. Finally, I once saw a picture of Atom Heart (at least I assume it was him) on a web site. I can't remember what it was but he was sitting down in full plate armour looking as pleased as punch. Does anyone know what this site was? - ------------ This e-mail and any attachments are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Do not copy this e-mail or any attachments, use the contents for any purpose, or disclose the contents to any other person: to do so could be a breach of confidence. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:54:27 -0000 From: "Wesley Kerr" Subject: Re: (fax) Various Ramblings > Finally, I once saw a picture of Atom Heart (at least I assume it > was him) on a web site. I can't remember what it was but he was > sitting down in full plate armour looking as pleased as punch. > Does anyone know what this site was? Hi Peter, The site was Christopher Miller's Atom discography site: http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/atom_heart/index.html However, it has been redesigned and the picture you mention is no longer used as the homepage image. Cheers, Wesley - ------- End of forwarded message ------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:32:50 +0000 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: (fax) Qualifying great Fax music (formerly Namlook backlash) >Well I think you should be careful about relying on the opinions of the >minority group ... this could very easily skew your perception of what >Fax fans as a whole really think of a particular work. Yeah, but this is the only Fax forum around and 100+ people isn't a totally irrelevant benchmark device for albums that get released in limited editions as low as 500. Members also include a number of serious devotees who own a significant portion of the catalogue and usually provide some fairly well informed opinion. >I think it's much more valid to use your own judgement to assign >worth, rather than rely on posts from a mailing list. Hurrah, we agree on something. That's basically what I think too if truth be told ... except, if I'd said so before, you'd probably have flamed me. Anyway, here's a few "truly great" (but, very seldom discussed/praised) Fax releases imho ... +N's Plane Aerial Service Area Wechselspannung The Four Seasons ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2002 #14 ******************************* --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org