From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2002 #15 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Saturday, January 19 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 015 (fax) re: Burnt Friedmann Re: (fax) Various Ramblings Re: (fax) Tetsu backlash - now Namlook (fax) True "greats" since 1998 (fax) True "greats" since '98 (fax) Tetsu Re: (fax) Tetsu Re: (fax) Tetsu Re: (fax) Qualifying great Fax music (fax) Sellout???? (fax) re: born again faxers RE: (fax) Tetsu backlash - now Namlook ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:57:54 +0100 From: "the-other-world" Subject: (fax) re: Burnt Friedmann Hi, everybody interested in Friedman should try to get hands on his 'Non Place Urbanfield' releases on the german incoming! label. Very nice and rhythmic ambient tunes... greetings, Joachim PS: no 12" trade offers by now !? :( ############################################## # ^ # # / \ http://www.the-other-world.net # # < **> # # \~/ mailto:joachim@the-other-world.net # # ° # ############################################## ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:07:17 -0000 From: "Rich" Subject: Re: (fax) Various Ramblings - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Dunlop" To: Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 4:28 PM Subject: (fax) Various Ramblings Similarly, Fires of Ork starts off with some nice > toe-tapping beats but then follows up immediately with a totally chilled > out affair. Personally, I don't like this approach and it frequently > prevents me from playing a disc through as a whole. I know some will like > this eclectic style but I usually like to get into some kind of groove with > an album and keep it there. What do others think? I don't agree so much. It can be annoying if totally out of context. Though I've never heard Fires Of Ork, the Dark Side Of The Moog series follows a similar vein, having neat toe-tap moments, but I don't feel this detracts from the work as a whole. DSOTM 3 stops the previos analogue pad section and dives into a processed electro-style rhythms... It's quite a sharp change, and makes you take notice rather than divide the CD. The best is DSOTM 2, where the end is rather uplifting trancy stuff. It always makes me listen to the CD again.... ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 22:33:04 +0100 (MET) From: Leszek Zabinski Subject: Re: (fax) Tetsu backlash - now Namlook On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Paul Milligan wrote: > >What is your definition of "truly great"? > > Well, if I try to quantify that I'd say it has to basically do > BOTH of two things... please me *greatly* and do the same for > the vast majority of those on this list who've heard it and are > similarly prepared to comment en masse. Not very technical I know. wait a minute here... maybe I am lost... but in the earlier mail you wrote that there's only one release since 98 that matches your standard of 'truly great'. Here you explain it further that there's two components of this rank: please you greatly (and that's pretty obvious) and please a group of people that are 'similarly prepared'. Do they come from the similar musical background as you and/or those are people in which opinion you can trust? Do I understand it right? There is a group of people (significant?) that collectively think (as you do) that Wired is the only one "truly great" cd since mentioned era? Please reveal yourself. Like to know if I'm in a minority or majority. cheers, Leszek. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:53:38 -0600 From: Subject: (fax) True "greats" since 1998 I think that Paul is pretty close, in my opinion, although I think that excepting 94-95, there have only been 1-2 "great" releases a year anyway. I do think, however, that the "hit rate" for *good* releases has not increased, despite the lower output, which has led to lower enthusiasm levels on the list. Greats since '98: Wired Etherlands "Goods" since '98: Polytime Vrs Mbnt Pcs 1 Possible Gardens Virtual Vices Silence IV BTW, I haven't yet heard Heidleberg or VV 3 Cheers, Andrew +---------------------------------------------------------+ This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. +---------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:05:46 -0600 From: Subject: (fax) True "greats" since '98 > Etherlands Silly me! I *meant* to say _Sferics_. Those damn confusing covers! +---------------------------------------------------------+ This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. +---------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:48:01 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Osborne Subject: (fax) Tetsu Regarding Tetsu... I'm a little out of it because I just had my wisdom teeth yanked, so cut me some slack. But I'd like to know just how in the hell someone who has made music for *FAX* could possibly be considered a sell-out. Wait, nevermind Fax. Speaking of any artist who composes 15-minute lyricless tracks for small, independent labels... virtually NO ONE in the IDM business could possibly be considered a sell-out. Ok, maybe I'm just too out of it, but really. This type of music does not lend its artists to "selling out." Leave that to Britney and N*Sync. Maybe even RDJ could be called a quasi-sell-out since I heard Boy/Girl on some commercial recently. Don't mind me. I just think that notion was ridiculous. :) Jonathan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:53:11 -0800 From: "sanvara" Subject: Re: (fax) Tetsu > Regarding Tetsu... > > I'm a little out of it because I just had my > wisdom teeth yanked, so cut me some slack. But > I'd like to know just how in the hell someone who > has made music for *FAX* could possibly be > considered a sell-out. I think it was said tongue in cheek. It was such an absurd proposal I don't see how it could be taken seriously. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:55:18 -0700 (MST) From: wallace winfrey Subject: Re: (fax) Tetsu On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Jonathan Osborne wrote: > Don't mind me. I just think that notion was > ridiculous. :) Trolls are incapable of perpetuating non-ridiculous notions. w ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:57:54 -0800 From: "sanvara" Subject: Re: (fax) Qualifying great Fax music > >Well I think you should be careful about relying on the opinions of the > >minority group ... this could very easily skew your perception of what > >Fax fans as a whole really think of a particular work. > > Yeah, but this is the only Fax forum around and 100+ people isn't > a totally irrelevant benchmark device for albums that get released > in limited editions as low as 500. But 100+ people are not posting their opinions here. Only a handful of people are. It's statistically insignificant. Also the days of 500 issues are long gone. The standard now is 2000-3000 and (with the exception of a few 1000 release CD's) has been since 1998 (which is the period we are discussing). So we are talking about less than 1% of the people who own the CD's posting their opinions, and that's with a base of only 1000-3000 people to draw from. Now if 10 million people owned the CD's and we had 1% of those people's opinions I think that would be much more valid since we would be talking about 100,000 opinions. I'm not a statistician but I would guess you would need many more opinions than those that get posted here to approach statistical significance on what the general consensus is about the worth of a particular Fax CD. > Members also include a number > of serious devotees who own a significant portion of the catalogue > and usually provide some fairly well informed opinion. Of which I happen to be one, just for the record. I own the entire catalog. >Anyway, here's a few "truly great" (but, very seldom > discussed/praised) Fax releases imho ... > > +N's Plane > Aerial Service Area > Wechselspannung > The Four Seasons I agree on Wechselspannung. I think the Four Seasons and Aerial Service Area are quite good. I'm not a fan of +N Plane. It's ok but definately not something I have an interest in listening to much. As we can see what is "truly great" is colored by individual tastes. There will never be a real determination made of what CD's are "truly great" and which are not until a statistically significant large percentage of Fax fans are polled. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 00:09:34 -0000 From: "Rich" Subject: (fax) Sellout???? > Leave that to Britney > and N*Sync. Maybe even RDJ could be called a > quasi-sell-out since I heard Boy/Girl on some > commercial recently. > Can I just ask how has FAX 'sold out?' I thought the above amused me... RDJ produced a single for a Pirelli Ad around 96-97. Does that mean he's sold out since then? What next, Namlook on Budweiser ads? Dr Atmo promoting Lynx? I know, let's have an advert with Wolfram Spyra presenting a mobile phone.... Heck, make him write the track on it... Sell out, pah... IMO (H) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 05:15:38 -0800 (PST) From: David Gilliss Subject: (fax) re: born again faxers >Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:45:23 +0000 >From: "Paul Ackrill"adackbar1972@hotmail.com> >Subject: (fax) Born again Faxers >Quite a few people introducing themselves...whereas I just barged right in. >Am I rude? >Hi, I'm Paul, I like Fax. And the HIA. And now Bill Laswell too. Hi paul! my name is dave-g and i'm a faxaholic thanks to PK and his addictive a week cd (and vinyl too!) binge back in the early 90's, i was flat broke! dave-g __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:21:12 -0800 From: "Raphael Almeria" Subject: RE: (fax) Tetsu backlash - now Namlook >Well I think you should be careful about relying on the opinions of the >minority group of vocal people on a mailing list to make determinations on >the value of a particular work of music. The people who express opinions on >mailing lists are proportionately very few compared to much larger majority >of Fax fans who do not post on mailing lists. This could very easily skew >your perception of what Fax fans as a whole really think of a particular >work. I think it's much more valid to use your own judgement to assign >worth, rather than rely on posts from a mailing list. It's way too >unreliable of a measure. This can be very true as I bought 2350 Broadway simply because there were a lot of "stop! turn around and run back to the store." comments about it. Needless to say that I was severely disappointed by it. ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2002 #15 ******************************* --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org