From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2002 #30 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Sunday, February 10 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 030 Re: (fax) Rash comments (imo) Re: (fax) Rash comments (imo) Re: (fax) Rerelease old stuff! (fax) Elektrolux recommendation please RE: (fax) Elektrolux recommendation please Re: (fax) Elektrolux recommendation please (fax) omnifax Re: (fax) omnifax Re: (fax) omnifax RE: (fax) omnifax (fax) omnifax 2 Re: (fax) omnifax (fax) live at interference Re: (fax) omnifax Re: (fax) omnifax Re: (fax) omnifax Re: (fax) live at interference Re: (fax) live at interference Re: (fax) live at interference Re: (fax) Rerelease old stuff! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:14:53 -0000 From: "Adrian Jenkinson" Subject: Re: (fax) Rash comments (imo) > I don't know why this has turned into such a controversal issue. It's pretty > ridiculous. Who cares if people e-mail Peter. Isn't that why he puts his > e-mail address on every CD? I'm sure he welcomes e-mails from anyone and > everyone. If he doesn't want to deal with e-mails he wouldn't solicit them. Damm right... i think the chat on the list has turned to Fax fascism from those whom have a large collection, and want to keep it that way (exclusive). Those whom want to listen to classic fax titles... We should all cool off... the rash comments on newbies by some of the list members can be considered hurtful, by insinuating those members arn't good enough because they miss out the first time... OK, however, there is lots of chances to get the classic titles on reissue from Germany. for the new faxheads. We should we embrace the fact that more and more people are come home and listening Ambient (fax)... Me, i've got about 10 titles, not much i hear you say, but its Nats Wing of my record collection. i Don't only listen to fax is my point... and nor should you. Anyway i'm currently listening to Reactivate 18 and Zenith (again). Ade. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 08:04:25 -0500 From: "Stephen Philips" Subject: Re: (fax) Rash comments (imo) > Damm right... > > i think the chat on the list has turned to Fax fascism from those whom have > a large collection, and want to keep it that way (exclusive). Those whom > want to listen to classic fax titles... > > We should all cool off... the rash comments on newbies by some of the list > members can be considered hurtful, by insinuating those members arn't good > enough because they miss out the first time... OK, however, there is lots of > chances to get the classic titles on reissue from Germany. for the new > faxheads. You're right. Those of us on the list that are old timers with large collections and wanting to keep them that way realize that the fax fascism comments are par for the course on this list ;-) Guess I should go back into lurk mode huh? Stephen Philips Dark Duck Records e | music@darkduck.net web | http://www.darkduck.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:48:18 -0000 From: "Adrian Jenkinson" Subject: Re: (fax) Rerelease old stuff! Sounds good to me... mmmmh All fax on a disc... but, is it worth buying a new player just for that. Ade. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: 08 February 2002 10:22 Subject: RE: (fax) Rerelease old stuff! > > > > ...at most a pressing of 100/200 CD's per title would be > > enough for hard-core collectors and completists! > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > If there will ever be a Fluorescent Multilayer Disc for audio, > once that technology finally makes it out the door as a viable > commercial product, then Namlook could put the whole > friggin' FAX calatogue + unreleased tracks in 24-bit / 96 KHz > quality audio along with "The Putney" video all on one disc > and sell it for US$99.95 or so. > > > ============================================== > > > > BTW, does FAX really sell 2000 CD's of the newer release ? > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Slowly but shirley. And don't call me shirley again. > > > > -- > C:\Gary H@> > http://www.gary-hendershot.com/ > ghenders@gary-hendershot.com > ghendershot@gmx.de (junk mail) > Houston, TX USA > > GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. > http://www.gmx.net > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 16:41:52 +0000 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: (fax) Elektrolux recommendation please I know there's been quite a bit of discussion off and on recently about this label, some along the lines of "should appeal to Fax lovers" and I was wondering ... there's a lot of their stuff @ EMC (on www.cue-records.de) including about a dozen various artist comps so, as I'd like to explore Elektrolux by starting with a good compilation release, which title would those 'in the know' recommend I get hold of first and foremost? (Some explanation why would also be gratefully received) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:10:07 -0500 From: "Maximilien Lincourt" Subject: RE: (fax) Elektrolux recommendation please I still haven't seen any elektrolux CD in Montreal yet, so every thing I have are mp3s. I've grabbed some "sushi club" tracks of the web and it's really nice "upbeat lounge" techno music, or as some might call, "ambient with beats", or even "slow breakbeat", really nice!. I've also grabbed some tracks of one of their electro compilations, and it's very electro! a bit too much to my liking! Max. - --- Maximilien Lincourt Max At Toon Boom Dot Com Codito Ergo Sum ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:40:28 +0100 (MET) From: Leszek Zabinski Subject: Re: (fax) Elektrolux recommendation please On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Paul Milligan wrote: > about a dozen various artist comps so, as I'd like to explore > Elektrolux by starting with a good compilation release, > which title would those 'in the know' recommend I get hold > of first and foremost? (Some explanation why would also be Go for Ambient Diary.One. Quality beat oriented (mostly) ambient stuff. A very good insight of what was "cooking" in the Elektrolux-pot several years ago (compilation is from 1997). I have it and I'm satisfied. greets, Leszek. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 11:31:35 +1100 From: "andre@sansserif.com.au" Subject: (fax) omnifax im currently looking for the largest portable Firewire harddisk to store all my Fax music in 256K mp3.. DVD-R media @ 4.7 GIG just doesnt cut it for the omnipotent solution.. Also, can any mp3 heads reccommend any serious player software?? in terms of making multiple playlists that cross reference each other, iTunes just aint cuttin it.. (btw, i would like to be addressed as Sir or My Lord from now on) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:50:33 -0600 From: Subject: Re: (fax) omnifax <> i went to www.firewiredirect.com and picked up one of their enclosures and pcmcia cards, and then bought a 60gb maxtor that goes into it ... the drives are swappable since the enclosure is generic ... works great, expeciall for backup of video and other huge files <> actually, winamp is nice because it lets you interface into it, which makes it possible to send and receive windows messages using a programming language such as VB ... meaning you can load songs into it on the fly programatically or whatever ... don't know if that's what you're looking for later, george ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:13:22 -0800 From: "sanvara" Subject: Re: (fax) omnifax > < all > my Fax music in 256K mp3.. Just curious, how big of a hard drive would be needed to store every Fax CD in: 1. 192k? 2. 256k? It would be really cool to be able to access every Fax CD at the click of a button. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:19:27 +1100 From: "Sebastian Pucilowski" Subject: RE: (fax) omnifax Given that there are 230 fax albums, and each use a full 74 minutes: 192k: 100 * 230 = 23000mg ~ 22.5gb 256k: (100 * 230) * 4/3 = 30666mg ~ 30gb Sebastian Pucilowski - -----Original Message----- From: owner-faxlist@2350.org [mailto:owner-faxlist@2350.org] On Behalf Of sanvara Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2002 12:13 PM To: faxlist@2350.org Subject: Re: (fax) omnifax > < all > my Fax music in 256K mp3.. Just curious, how big of a hard drive would be needed to store every Fax CD in: 1. 192k? 2. 256k? It would be really cool to be able to access every Fax CD at the click of a button. - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 12:43:01 +1100 From: "andre@sansserif.com.au" Subject: (fax) omnifax 2 on 9/2/02 12:19, Sebastian Pucilowski at lordsaba@softhome.net wrote: > Given that there are 230 fax albums, and each use a full 74 minutes: > > 192k: 100 * 230 = 23000mg ~ 22.5gb > 256k: (100 * 230) * 4/3 = 30666mg ~ 30gb i dont think my math skills are good enough to know if this it correct or not but if you assume all Fax discs are 74 mins then the actual total will be a little under seeing as some of them are under the 74 min mark.. and for MP3 player software i meant to say for Macintosh (of course!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:59:16 -0800 From: "sanvara" Subject: Re: (fax) omnifax > Given that there are 230 fax albums, and each use a full 74 minutes: > > 192k: 100 * 230 = 23000mg ~ 22.5gb > 256k: (100 * 230) * 4/3 = 30666mg ~ 30gb Well that's pretty good. Some portable mp3 players are 30 gb now so you could have the whole Fax catalog portable in 256k quality mp3. Not bad. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 13:22:18 +1100 From: "andre@sansserif.com.au" Subject: (fax) live at interference Yo.. does anyone know which namlook CD is the live show from Love Parade 'interference' i think its namlook XI but im not sure as i think there may have been 2 interference shows.. i was reading a book recently about techno graphics and it had info on the interference festival.. it showed Richie Hawtin + Namlook + Deep Space Network + Air Liquide who all played at the gig.. sansserifgrafik andre ruello - junior vice president ph. 0414 611 635 - http://www.sansserif.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 02:38:48 +0000 From: Agust A J Subject: Re: (fax) omnifax At 11:31 9.2.2002 +1100, the Most Holy Andre ;) wrote: >im currently looking for the largest portable Firewire harddisk to store all >my Fax music in 256K mp3.. > >DVD-R media @ 4.7 GIG just doesnt cut it for the omnipotent solution.. hm... don't remember if it was firewire, but I saw some news item on some site this week about a 100 gig portable hd... from maxtor? heh. 100 gig portable. sheesh :) and why go for lossy compression if you want to use "omnipotent" solution? :) me and a friend were doing some silly brainbashing on irc last night and I was wondering how much space I'd need to APE my whole cd collection. now, if we say the average is approx 60min per cd which ape's to 325-350meg (let's just say 350meg as a worst case :) 10 cds would be = 3.5 gig 100 cds = 35 gig hmm.... doesn't sound like you'd need all that much space to store the entire Fax catalogue ape'd :) so incidentally, taking my approx 400 albums & approx 200 singles, I'd be able to fit the lot in under 150 gigs :p the scary part is, it's doable.... just need to splurge on a couple of big hd's but hey... cd quality audio, in your own private jukebox ;) oh and I almost forgot, ape is currently only available for windows :p (www.monkeysaudio.com) >Also, can any mp3 heads reccommend any serious player software?? in terms of >making multiple playlists that cross reference each other, iTunes just aint >cuttin it.. for making m3u lists? I had some util for win last year which I took a quick look at, which seemed to do the job, but I a) lost it in a hd crash b) forgot the name of it :p - --- Agust "Nemesis1" - aaj@centrum.is - ICQ: 1290264 - http://nem1.cjb.net free your :) [tm] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 02:43:05 +0000 From: Agust A J Subject: Re: (fax) omnifax At 17:13 8.2.2002 -0800, you wrote: >Just curious, how big of a hard drive would be needed to store every Fax CD >in: > >1. 192k? >2. 256k? > >It would be really cool to be able to access every Fax CD at the click of a >button. simple rule of thumb was approx 1meg per minute in 128k so 256k would be approx 2meg per minute 192k about 1.5meg/min 60min = 90meg@192, 120meg@256 do the maths :) 200x60=18gig@192kbit, 24gig@256kbit - --- Agust "Nemesis1" - aaj@centrum.is - ICQ: 1290264 - http://nem1.cjb.net free your :) [tm] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 02:47:48 +0000 From: Agust A J Subject: Re: (fax) omnifax hm maybe next time I'll be slightly less lazy & do a quick check the hd I had seen the news about was this: http://www.maxtor.com/products/ExternalStorage/3000LE/default.htm 40 & 120gb portable hd usb 2.0 port, not firewire :p oh well, close enough :p incidentally, am I alone in loving Namlook XIII: License to Chill? fell in love with it at first listen and I love it every time I listen to it... has quite often ended up on repeat here :) - --- Agust "Nemesis1" - aaj@centrum.is - ICQ: 1290264 - http://nem1.cjb.net free your :) [tm] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:19:26 -0800 From: "sanvara" Subject: Re: (fax) live at interference > does anyone know which namlook CD is the live show from Love Parade > 'interference' i think its namlook XI but im not sure as i think there may > have been 2 interference shows.. > > i was reading a book recently about techno graphics and it had info on the > interference festival.. > > it showed Richie Hawtin + Namlook + Deep Space Network + Air Liquide who all > played at the gig.. The Love Parade CD was Namlook VII : "Subharmonic Interference" There was also a release called "Interference - Live at the Love Parade 94". I think it was released on CD and vinyl. I happen to have the vinyl. It's pretty cool. It's a 4 x LP set and each LP is a different color of vinyl. The set includes Namlook "Subharmonic Intereference" as well as Deep Space Network, Higher intelligence Agency, Plastikman, Sun Electric, Thomas Fehlmann, Aire Liquide, Source All Stars, Voov etc. Anyone else ever pick this up back then? It seemed to disappear pretty quickly so it must have been limited. Anyone know if the CD is still available anywhere? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:28:08 -0800 From: "sanvara" Subject: Re: (fax) live at interference > > does anyone know which namlook CD is the live show from Love Parade > > 'interference' i think its namlook XI but im not sure as i think there may > > have been 2 interference shows.. > The Love Parade CD was Namlook VII : "Subharmonic Interference" You're right. There were two Namlook "Love Parade" CD's. Namlook VII is Love Parade '94, while Namlook XI is Love Parade '95. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 23:20:13 -0600 From: Mxyzptlk Subject: Re: (fax) live at interference It used to be available for a pretty good price here : http://www.cheapo.de/ Uwe Brinkmann (Mr. Che@po) is an excellent retailer. Tell him I said "hi" if you do biz with him, please. jeff At 09:19 PM 2/8/2002, you wrote: >The Love Parade CD was Namlook VII : "Subharmonic Interference" > >There was also a release called "Interference - Live at the Love Parade 94". >I think it was released on CD and vinyl. I happen to have the vinyl. It's >pretty cool. It's a 4 x LP set and each LP is a different color of vinyl. >The set includes Namlook "Subharmonic Intereference" as well as Deep Space >Network, Higher intelligence Agency, Plastikman, Sun Electric, Thomas >Fehlmann, Aire Liquide, Source All Stars, Voov etc. > >Anyone else ever pick this up back then? It seemed to disappear pretty >quickly so it must have been limited. Anyone know if the CD is still >available anywhere? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:50:37 +0100 (MET) From: ghendershot@gmx.de Subject: Re: (fax) Rerelease old stuff! > Sounds good to me... mmmmh > > All fax on a disc... but, is it worth buying a new player just for that. > - --------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, you would definitely need a new player, but one that will also likely be able to read CD-ROM and DVD as well. Fluorescent Multi-Layer Disc technology (also called holographic storage technology by many) will first be used for computer data storage, but the HDTV people are quite keen on using it since current DVD technology is in no way capable of holding an entire single movie in HDTV. Once this new medium finally makes its appearance, it will hold somewhere between 20 GB and 200 GB per disc. As time goes by, new discs with more layers will be made available. Storage capacity should rise to a Terabyte (1000+ GB) or more after about 5-to-7 years. Dust and fingerprints on these discs will be much less of a problem than with current Compact Disc technology, because the holographic disc reader sees a complex blurry 3-D image as it reads the disc as opposed to the well-focused pits that a compact disc reader sees. A spec of dust laying on the surface of a holographic disc will simply be out of focus and not affect the data being read. These discs also don't need to spin fast to attain high data rates. The complex holographic image frames the reader sees gets converted into binary data -- and lots of it, fast. The data read rates being touted at the moment are something like 40 MB/s or more sustained transfer rate and go up from there as disc layers are added. So, we're talking hard-drive-like performance when it comes to streaming data rates. There is also a tape version of this technology that will be released at about the same time as the disc, simply called "optical tape." These 8mm-like optical tape cartridges will probably start off with *only* 1 Terabyte of storage capacity. Both media are WORM (Write Once Read Many). There are even card-like versions of the technology in the works, where the card stays still as a moving head reads the surface. These credit-card-sized holographic cards will probably start off with 10 GB of storage capacity. There are several companies racing towards the finish line to deliver this King Of All Disc Storage Technologies. The disc readers aren't that much of a challenge at this juncture. The hold back at this point is manufacturing the media at a high enough rate to satisfy demand and at an economical price point. Here's just one of many companies trying to get to the wire first: http://www.constellation3d.com/product_frameset.html ================================================= ================================================= > > > > > > ...at most a pressing of 100/200 CD's per title would be > > > enough for hard-core collectors and completists! > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > If there will ever be a Fluorescent Multilayer Disc for audio, > > once that technology finally makes it out the door as a viable > > commercial product, then Namlook could put the whole > > friggin' FAX calatogue + unreleased tracks in 24-bit / 96 KHz > > quality audio along with "The Putney" video all on one disc > > and sell it for US$99.95 or so. > > > > - -- C:\Gary H@> http://www.gary-hendershot.com/ ghenders@gary-hendershot.com ghendershot@gmx.de (junk mail) Houston, TX USA GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2002 #30 ******************************* --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org