From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2002 #70 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Tuesday, April 23 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 070 (fax) Solitaire - David Moufang - review (fax) Silence IV - Namlook Re: (fax) ZENITH - sale / trade (fax) Namlook XI review (fax) Some more stuff to trade Re: (fax) ZENITH - sale / trade Re: (fax) ZENITH - sale / trade RE: (fax) ZENITH - sale / trade (fax) Syn 2 / Dark Side Comp. Re: (fax) ZENITH - sale / trade RE: (fax) ZENITH - sale / trade (fax) still with the man (Tetsu) (fax) DSP Holiday Re: (fax) ZENITH - sale / trade Re: (fax) DSP Holiday Re: (fax) ZENITH - sale / trade (fax) Otras 2 - Reeves - review ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 02:11:35 -0400 From: "jackthetab" Subject: (fax) Solitaire - David Moufang - review Solitaire - PS 08/63 Soft environmental ambient that builds and blends into some more broken up techno sounding beats. These beats are nice, and not annoying as some albums tend to have. The beats and melody build further, until the track has evolved into something pleasingly upbeat. The ambience in the background add's another dimension with the track. at 11:50 into the track, it finally peaks, and remains the few moments that could last forever. track two starts off in a rather dark fashion. After a few minutes we are treated to a nice techno beat. Its not overly forward, and tends to linger in the mid ground. There are some samples which tend to overshadow the beat. This is not a bad thing. Slowly the track fades out. Not the best in fade outs however. track three opens with a movie sound track type piece. The slow beat fades in, mixing with the ambient surroundings. At times it seems a bit too sampled. Too many samples, not enough real melody. There are some tribal qualitites as the track progresses. This is a mixed bag for some. It usually depends on my mood if it sounds good to me, or not (odd I know).However, the track does maintain your interest throughtout the 9 minutes. So far remains the weakest of the tracks. track four add's some lively percussion. Interesting echo and sample effects. These effects/samples seem to rattle right through your speakers (with a good system). Up beat, and and infectious. Has to be the best track on this cd thus far. track five brings us back to the ambience. More quirky samples that become the foreground. This is a good track to go outside and watch the stars too. Some of the best ambient chords from this album are on this track. As good of a track as track four. I like this one, because it is longer, and had remarkable progression. the last track is different than any of the others. Has some spacey samples with ambient weirdness. Not as weird as I have heard before, but.... anyways, The track builds to a louder peak. Increasing in intensity. Mixing in gradual ambience, which float through. A pleasant track to end the cd with......this has prolly got to be one of the more unusual wet dreams I can think of :-) kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab i think therefore i ambient #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_________________TRIBAL________________\ http://www.superior.net/~zothboy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 03:18:51 -0400 From: "jackthetab" Subject: (fax) Silence IV - Namlook some ambient dropplings, almost like the electronic sound of dripping water. The track builds, adding more layers, and adding some bass. Similiar samples found in the Silence series can be heard. Still seems like this Silence series can put out similiar sounds, yer still fresh and new sounding. At times it becomes rather droney. The drones are not slow moving, and develop quickly, but yet are slowly evolving. similiar Silence vox samples throughout the cd. Track two changes its tone and drives in some dark, slow moving ambient chords. This is deff one of thos highlight tracks. Its deep and haunting. Slowly brooding. Track three maintains the slow brooding feeling, and brings the best track so far. It is dark, and progresses forward, building into a more dynamic being. The track drives further adding some dialogue, which I cannot understand. A track that must be heard loud. track four changes its tone, and brings the music into something more enlightening. Its brighter and more scerene. Very Namlook sounding, driving us into his hypnotic world. one of the better sides to Namlook.... kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab i think therefore i ambient #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_________________TRIBAL________________\ http://www.superior.net/~zothboy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:11:22 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: Re: (fax) ZENITH - sale / trade I hope it's not your only (personal) copy! ...? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:49:23 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: (fax) Namlook XI review Andrew wrote: >Thanks to Jack for the review of one of my favorite Fax discs. I think >that this one is the best example of Namlook's ability to walk a fine line >between improvisational exploration of ideas and self-indulgent noodling >(which he has occasionally slipped into). A sceptic might say that most or even all the genuinely 'live' Namlooks walk this line (impro-exploration v. self-indulgency) and I'd agree XI does it better than most but, despite being fairly impressed on the first half dozen spins I increasingly lost interest in this one ... the jumping around which initially intrigues eventually starts to prove tiresome when the various themes aren't really fleshed out. >I heard that Namlook doesn't have good memories of this performance, >however, since his equipment kept breaking down. Maybe that "chance" >element is why it works so well. I think IV is the most notable example of multiple equipment failure... and yet it works, much better than XI imo. Reasons being (1) it's very atmospheric and (2) it's very original, at the time certainly and (3) on this release he does "flesh out" the idea properly - okay it's basically just one idea but, it goes somewhere. Excellent chill out stuff. Incidently Jack - I hope you're also posting these reviews to the main review site? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:47:50 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: (fax) Some more stuff to trade There's a few in-print titles which I'm after, which I'd be happy to trade for either of these two out-of-print titles... * Seefeel - Quique - a real gem, check out any reviews and see for yourself * Namlook - Silence 2 - the original AW reissue with snail artwork or this 2-CD set... * Robert Rich - Numena / Geometry - classics, nuff said, this are the recent remasters with new and more elaborate artwork. Wants are: DJ Spooky's Songs Of A Dead Dreamer Roach's Blood Machine Atom Heart's DSP Holiday Schulze's Klangart (either volume) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:45:58 +1000 From: "andre@sansserif.com.au" Subject: Re: (fax) ZENITH - sale / trade on 22/4/02 18:11, Paul Milligan at paulmilligan@georgiadesign.com wrote: > I hope it's not your only (personal) copy! ...? sure you can take my zenith, outta my cold dead hand. FAX sansserifgrafik andre ruello - junior vice president ph. 0414 611 635 - ICQ 63904680 - http://www.sansserif.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:56:43 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: Re: (fax) ZENITH - sale / trade ...on Tetsu, how do others compare World Receiver (which I have not heard) to his solo stuff on Fax? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:08:54 +0100 From: "Corbin, Nick (CAP, EEF)" Subject: RE: (fax) ZENITH - sale / trade paul wrote: > ...on Tetsu, how do others compare World Receiver (which I have not heard) to his solo stuff on Fax? that's a good question to ask - i find it slightly bitty when it's put up against his other releases and have to say i haven't listened to it for quite a while as it didn't grab me like his fax/ri stuff did. i think i'll get it out for another spin... This e-mail is intended for the addressee(s) named above only. 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Thank you. _____________________________________________________________________ (O)This message has been checked for all known viruses by MessageLabs. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 01:13:13 +1000 From: "andre@sansserif.com.au" Subject: Re: (fax) ZENITH - sale / trade on 22/4/02 23:56, Paul Milligan at paulmilligan@georgiadesign.com wrote: > ....on Tetsu, how do others compare World Receiver (which > I have not heard) to his solo stuff on Fax? world receiver is genius in the true tetsu sense, but nothing like Zenith, Organic Cloud, Electro Harmonix or any of the collabs... this ones not synthesizer driven. its all environmental recordings / samples etcetera... alas its probably my most listened to of all his stuff. sansserifgrafik andre ruello - junior vice president ph. 0414 611 635 - ICQ 63904680 - http://www.sansserif.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 01:26:01 +1000 From: "electroteque" Subject: RE: (fax) ZENITH - sale / trade you'd prefer that over synthesized stuff ? i quite enjoy organic cloud, electro harmonix and zenith more, epic journeys - -----Original Message----- From: owner-faxlist@2350.org [mailto:owner-faxlist@2350.org]On Behalf Of andre@sansserif.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 1:13 AM To: Fax List Subject: Re: (fax) ZENITH - sale / trade on 22/4/02 23:56, Paul Milligan at paulmilligan@georgiadesign.com wrote: > ....on Tetsu, how do others compare World Receiver (which > I have not heard) to his solo stuff on Fax? world receiver is genius in the true tetsu sense, but nothing like Zenith, Organic Cloud, Electro Harmonix or any of the collabs... this ones not synthesizer driven. its all environmental recordings / samples etcetera... alas its probably my most listened to of all his stuff. sansserifgrafik andre ruello - junior vice president ph. 0414 611 635 - ICQ 63904680 - http://www.sansserif.com.au - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:36:04 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: (fax) still with the man (Tetsu) ...anyone care to comment on the recent HAT reissue, DSP Holiday? Good? Bad? Indifferent? ...Why? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:05:30 +0100 From: Edward Jones Subject: (fax) DSP Holiday It's a worthwhile re-issue and definitely worthy of the list's time. It has a fair amount of humour in it (as anything associated with Atom Heart does these days), but not in an obtrusive way (as that annoys the hell out me). It's certainly as good as the first HAT release on Rather Interesting. I was lucky enough to get a CD-R of the original issue from Noah, so have lived with this one for a while. I think recently Tetsu seems to make a better collaborator than solo artist, as he seems to need someone pulling in the opposite direction to prevent him from moving too far into abstraction. Anyone agree with that? DISCLAIMER: The information in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. 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Thank you. _____________________________________________________________________ (O)This message has been checked for all known viruses by MessageLabs. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:46:31 -0400 (EDT) From: laerm Subject: Re: (fax) ZENITH - sale / trade On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Paul Milligan wrote: > ...on Tetsu, how do others compare World Receiver (which I have not > heard) to his solo stuff on Fax? i heard world receiver once ages ago, and i quite liked it. i have not seen one for sale since. if anybody has a spare copy... also along the same lines, a friend of mine had another disc in the instinct ambient series he played for me - _the great & secret symphony_. maybe it's just me being a sucker for anything masonic-related, but if someone has one of these... : sig : micah stupak international bright young kook laerm@soulfood.org : quote : i have no idea exactly what i've drawn - some kind of change, some kind of spinning away, with every single line moving further out in time ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 13:03:59 -0400 From: "seth axelrad" Subject: Re: (fax) DSP Holiday i would say the same applies to atom. his collaborators have a good tendency to pull him away from his by now patented (or trademarked)idiosyncracies, and the best RI releases tend to be the collaborations (check out +N Built for great work with Victor Sol and Nino Heyduck). I'm a big fan of Machine Paisley, to which Tetsu helped out with. I'm not familiar with Tetsu's work off fax (my brother tells me the Dupree collaboration is quite good). I've been paying much more attention to 2350 Broadway 2 recently, and the greatest portions of those discs tend to be where the recognizable Namlook and Inoue signatures blend together. >From: Edward Jones >To: faxlist@2350.org >Subject: (fax) DSP Holiday >Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:05:30 +0100 > >It's a worthwhile re-issue and definitely worthy of the list's time. It has >a fair amount of humour in it (as anything associated with Atom Heart does >these days), but not in an obtrusive way (as that annoys the hell out me). >It's certainly as good as the first HAT release on Rather Interesting. I >was >lucky enough to get a CD-R of the original issue from Noah, so have lived >with this one for a while. > >I think recently Tetsu seems to make a better collaborator than solo >artist, >as he seems to need someone pulling in the opposite direction to prevent >him >from moving too far into abstraction. > >Anyone agree with that? > > >DISCLAIMER: The information in this message is confidential and may be >legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to >this >message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended >recipient, any disclosure, copying, or distribution of the message, or any >action or omission taken by you in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be >unlawful. Please immediately contact the sender if you have received this >message in error. Thank you. > > > > >_____________________________________________________________________ >(O)This message has been checked for all known viruses by MessageLabs. >--- >+ To post: ; to mail a person: >+ To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to >+ Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:20:16 -0700 (PDT) From: dj monolith Subject: Re: (fax) ZENITH - sale / trade "Super Secret Symphony" - s/t (Instinct Ambient - AMB010) - --- laerm wrote: > On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Paul Milligan wrote: > > > ...on Tetsu, how do others compare World Receiver > (which I have not > > heard) to his solo stuff on Fax? > > i heard world receiver once ages ago, and i quite > liked it. i have not > seen one for sale since. if anybody has a spare > copy... > > also along the same lines, a friend of mine had > another disc in the > instinct ambient series he played for me - _the > great & secret symphony_. > maybe it's just me being a sucker for anything > masonic-related, but if > someone has one of these... > > : sig > : micah stupak international bright young kook > laerm@soulfood.org > : quote > : i have no idea exactly what i've drawn - some kind > of change, some kind > of spinning away, with every single line moving > further out in time > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 03:19:35 -0400 From: "jackthetab" Subject: (fax) Otras 2 - Reeves - review Otras 2 PS 08/68 some ambient doodling, which seem to play around, but lack a home. A beat presents itself in track two. The melody mixes into the non 4/4 beat, and carries the track into a more hypnotic mode. Some interesting female vox samples are used. This is nice and melodic without truly breaking out into some techno beats... Outworldly spacey ambience slides in, with track three. A sense of suspense, haunting throughout the track. Its lurking and waiting. Some bass tones are also present. The track remains dark, the samples circle the swampy pool of hell, mucky and drainy in some areas, and paranoia in others. Sill no real beat in this track, but the ramblings of what could explode into a beat. it tortures you, and holds you under. becomes very deep and dark at 8:30 into the track. again, nice bass and without a real beat. The ambience is superb and well layered. The transitions are also very effective. track four uses some bass with some samples thrown in. Some rumblings, disjointed quirks and ambience seeping through the background. Mellow, yet grinding. There also seems to be a twinge of environmentalism in there. At times it does seem to get stuck, and I kept looking to see when it will end. track five starts off more promising than the previous. Some light percussion mixed with an amazing sequence of melodies and samples. With a little over 3mins into the track, a nice non solid beat moves in. It keeps the tempo up, without un-chilling us so far. More spacey samples and some sci-fi sounding samples. track six again starts off with some bass and some trembles. The track seems to drift along at a fast pace. Its a driving ambient track that is also highly mellow. The track then drifts into some more experimenting with the tones. There are enough layers to keep you brain happy however. track seven slows the pace down with some refreshing breaths of some deep ambient. The ambient is good, but the track seems to be lacking something going on. The track stays stagnant after a few minutes, and becomes monotonous track eight uses some alien ambient melodies, and chords will the beat is quirky. The ambience in the background become dark and isolationist, but the beat keeps the track from going in that direction. A nice ending to a relatively strange cd. this disc does nicely with the bass :-) kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab i think therefore i ambient #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_________________TRIBAL________________\ http://www.superior.net/~zothboy ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2002 #70 ******************************* --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org