From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2002 #72 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Friday, April 26 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 072 Re: (fax) Origins of "Dreamfish" (fax) quiet logic RE: (fax) quiet logic (fax) Dreamfish etc (was Quiet logic) (fax) oops RE: (fax) Dreamfish etc (was Quiet logic) (fax) Alien Community R: (fax) quiet logic Re: (fax) Dreamfish etc (was Quiet logic) (fax) dreamfish Re: (fax) dreamfish (fax) quiet logic Re: (fax) dreamfish Re: (fax) dreamfish Re: (fax) dreamfish (fax) dreamfish RE: (fax) dreamfish Re: (fax) dreamfish RE: (fax) dreamfish (fax) Aerial Service Area (fax) RE: Aerial Service Area Re: (fax) RE: Aerial Service Area RE: (fax) RE: Aerial Service Area Re: (fax) Alien Community ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:07:55 +0100 From: "Rich" Subject: Re: (fax) Origins of "Dreamfish" Hmm, I've never heard of 'Quiet Logic' - intrigued, though. Any label/source details. I might try to get hold of this. As for production times, some of my better ambient noodlings have come straight off the cuff, without all this mucking around trying ideas etc. There's probably a lot of tricks involved, such as using previously thought of ideas, so when a couple of artists meet, they say, "I've had these ideas, can you do anything with them?". The state of the ideas reflects on the production time of a finished track. Some artists exclude all the time in developing sounds, and jst quote the compositional time... Rich - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phonaut" To: "+49-69/450464" Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:41 PM Subject: Re: (fax) Origins of "Dreamfish" | | On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Rich wrote: | > Not too sure about this, 'cause it''s going way back now... | > I'm certain that although Namlook never played at Telepathic Fish, other FAX | > artists did (Dr Atmo, Jonah Sharp, etc) and maybe Mixmaster Morris was | > introduced to Namlook via one of those people. | > Although I can't find anything on the possible Fish link, apparently Morris | > and PK wrote Dreamfish in just 48 hrs... (source : The Ambient Century by | > Mark Prendergast) | > Rich | | the fantastic Daisyworld label release "Quiet Logic" with | Mixmaster Morris & Hosono was completed in a similar timeframe. | Listening to Dreamfish, I can believe that could be done in a day | or two, but not Quiet Logic... how'd they do that?? | (source: personal chat with MMM) | | n/p | np: James Bernard "Atmospherics" (should have been on Fax) | . . . . . . ..... . . . . . . | Official Tetsu Inoue Homepage, Radio Playlists, and Tradelists @: | http://ww1.math.luc.edu/~njurcin | | | | | --- | + To post: ; to mail a person: | + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to | + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:04:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Phonaut Subject: (fax) quiet logic On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Rich wrote: > Hmm, I've never heard of 'Quiet Logic' - intrigued, though. Any > label/source details. I might try to get hold of this. Unfortunately, getting a hold of a copy these days is pretty much out of the question. I've never even seen one for sale since my purchase thru EAR/Rational who occasionally stocked Daisyworld releases a few years back when the label was active. Not even on ebay. You can however, check out the official Daisyworld webpage available at: www.daisyworld.co.jp/ but it appears to be down at the moment. It was up and running only a few days ago though, most of it is in Japanese. Also, i forgot to mention that Jonah Sharp is also one of the collaborators on this one. And actually, it's more of a Sharp-MMM collaboration with Hosono helping out on a couple tracks. Here's the complete info on it from MMM's webpage: ____________________________________________ Quiet Logic - Mixmaster Morris & Jonah Sharp 14 February 1998 JP CD Daisyworld Jonah Sharp (Spacetime Continuum) & I recorded some tracks at the Quiet Lodge, legendary home studio of YMO founder Haruomi Hosono. 1 Waraitake 2 Uchu Yuei- Swimming in Space 3 Wakarimasen 4 Quiet Logic 5 Tsukimi - Moon Viewing 6 Dr.Gauss/Yakan Hiko - Night Flight All tracks created by Jonah Sharp & Mixmaster Morris except track 3, 6 created by Jonah Sharp, Mixmaster Morris & Haruomi Hosono recorded at Quiet Lodge studio, Tokyo,1997 mixed & edited by Jonah Sharp, Mixmaster Morris & Hiroshi Haraguchi in San Francisco-London-Tokyo, 1997 executive producer Haruomi Hosono. (from http://www.southern.com/MMM/discography/collaberations.html ) n/p np- Superficial Depth: Digital Superimposing . . . . . . ..... . . . . . . Official Tetsu Inoue Homepage, Radio Playlists, and Tradelists @: http://ww1.math.luc.edu/~njurcin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:13:13 +0100 From: Edward Jones Subject: RE: (fax) quiet logic I would add my voice to the (very small!) chorus of approval for this release (perhaps on Otodisc?). Highly overdue a re-issue, as it is completely impossible to find - it didn't even make it to Europe at all at the time of its original release. Not quite as good as Dreamfish, but certainly a lot better than any of MM's solo output, and definitely better than Dreamfish 2! NP Biosphere-Shenzhou Fairly typical Biosphere fair. The Debussy-based stuff sounds rather like a distant orchestra trapped in primordial soup. Rather nice. DISCLAIMER: The information in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or distribution of the message, or any action or omission taken by you in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please immediately contact the sender if you have received this message in error. Thank you. _____________________________________________________________________ (O)This message has been checked for all known viruses by MessageLabs. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:47:00 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: (fax) Dreamfish etc (was Quiet logic) > Also, i forgot to mention that Jonah Sharp is also one of the > collaborators on this one. And actually, it's more of a > Sharp-MMM collaboration with Hosono helping out on a couple > tracks. So, coming full circle, back to my original query about Mixmaster's fishy connections ... wasn't J.Sharp also involved in London's early 90's 'fish scene too ? I guess that would explain the release of Alien Community shortly after Dreamfish. Nobody mentions the Alien discs anymore but, I still lum 'em. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:48:52 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: (fax) oops > ... I still lum 'em. Luv 'em! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:59:39 +0100 From: "Corbin, Nick (CAP, EEF)" Subject: RE: (fax) Dreamfish etc (was Quiet logic) paul said - > Nobody mentions the Alien discs anymore but, I still lum 'em. i agree. i think the 'alien community' duo are amongst the best releases on the label and they're pretty unique in the fax pantheon. some might say they don't like the drones or that they're a bit slow, but the build up is half the fun. i love listening to them as the sounds are gradually added and you can hear it develop into really cool breakbeatery. i picked up 'alien community 2' when i was really into fax and buying as much as possible. saw it in hmv and bought it without knowing what it was. got home, put it on and thought 'oh dear, not too keen on this' - but 30 mins later i was proved spectacularly wrong when i realised the music had made me stop what i was doing and that i was fully concentrating on the music with the feeling of experiencing something brilliant unfold for the first time... i'll have to make 130 mins free to listen to them again very soon... :- ) This e-mail is intended for the addressee(s) named above only. As this e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, if you are not the named addressee(s) or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee(s), please telephone us immediately. The contents of this e-mail should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:02:46 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: (fax) Alien Community >... but the build up is half the fun. I love listening to them as the >sounds are gradually added and you can hear it develop into really cool >breakbeatery. Rather nicely put ... and why I "luv 'em" I remember Roland (I think it was?) once saying that they can be played simultaneously but, I tried it and it doesn't work. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:47:09 +0200 From: "stm" Subject: R: (fax) quiet logic > Unfortunately, getting a hold of a copy these days is pretty much > out of the question ... Why don't you ask Tetsu what does he think of another Daisyworl reissue on his newborn label?? - -- Riccardo .. . . . . . . . . . . .. musictrade http://digilander.iol.it/radioactivetoy .. . . . . . . . . . . .. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:14:28 +0100 From: "Rich" Subject: Re: (fax) Dreamfish etc (was Quiet logic) Yup - J Sharp played at the Telepathic Fish events, also included were : Richard James, Dr Atmo, Matt Black (of Coldcut) and many more. Basically, it was all Morris' mates went over to play there. Legend has it that Jonah Sharp (as Spacetime Continuum) got them thrown out of the place in Cable Street. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Milligan" To: Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 3:47 PM Subject: (fax) Dreamfish etc (was Quiet logic) | | > Also, i forgot to mention that Jonah Sharp is also one of the | > collaborators on this one. And actually, it's more of a | > Sharp-MMM collaboration with Hosono helping out on a couple | > tracks. | | So, coming full circle, back to my original query about | Mixmaster's fishy connections ... wasn't J.Sharp also | involved in London's early 90's 'fish scene too ? I guess | that would explain the release of Alien Community shortly | after Dreamfish. | | Nobody mentions the Alien discs anymore but, I still lum 'em. | | --- | + To post: ; to mail a person: | + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to | + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:23:23 -0400 From: "jackthetab" Subject: (fax) dreamfish I will have to write up a few reviews since I find these releases to be some of the weakest sounds off the FAX label.... Am I the only one who feels this way? kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab i think therefore i ambient #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_________________TRIBAL________________\ http://www.superior.net/~zothboy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:42:33 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whitney Subject: Re: (fax) dreamfish - --- jackthetab wrote: > I will have to write up a few reviews > since I find these releases to be > some of the weakest sounds off the > FAX label.... > Am I the only one who feels this way? yeah, the dreamfishes aren't really my cuppa -- especially that one track about god and women... i'm all for woman's rights/issues... awareness, but that song just drills a sample into your head until you feel ill, what a dud! who's voice is that anyway? i do like the opening track off dreamfish though -- Dreamfish #2 barely ever gets any play -- i'm going to check them out again. right now i'm listening to a different fax, from a-z each morning. i just started and did ambient otaku this morning. it was great. before that, aerial service area 2 was a pretty dark way to start the morning, though! john whitney __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:42:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Phonaut Subject: (fax) quiet logic On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, stm wrote: > > Unfortunately, getting a hold of a copy these days is pretty much > > out of the question ... > Why don't you ask Tetsu what does he think of another Daisyworl reissue on > his newborn label?? well, i would do that, but it seems Daisyworld, how shall we say, had issues with Otodisc's reissue of DSP Holiday, and i'm not really sure how all of that panned out. The last piece of info i heard from Tetsu was that he was hard at work on new solo material for future release on Otodisc. I've heard mumblings that Daisyworld wanted to reissue DSP Holiday themselves. I can't really question the decision making taking place inside the labels, but considering that not much has come from Daisyworld in the last few years, that seems kind of territorial to me. IMO, it makes more sense to distribute an album in 2 different areas, (Japan/DW-1st edition, USA/Oto-2nd edition) and give more people a chance to hear it rather than releasing it twice in one small area (Japan), where no one else in the world has a chance to get it. And if you were lucky enough to find one that had somehow escaped the island, you had to pay 30$+ for a new copy. n/p np- Transonic . . . . . . ..... . . . . . . Official Tetsu Inoue Homepage, Radio Playlists, and Tradelists @: http://ww1.math.luc.edu/~njurcin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:44:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Phonaut Subject: Re: (fax) dreamfish On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, John Whitney wrote: > who's voice is that anyway? it's the voice of Terrance McKenna. n/p np-Transonic . . . . . . ..... . . . . . . Official Tetsu Inoue Homepage, Radio Playlists, and Tradelists @: http://ww1.math.luc.edu/~njurcin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:52:36 -0400 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) dreamfish I like Terrence McKenna...even though I find many of his theories to be "out there", and not all that conceivable. The problem I have, and its not really with Mckenna...but he is so oversampled in music, that everytime I hear his voice in music, I cringe. Listening to him live is one thing...but why do I have to listen to him in music all the time as well. I like samples, dont get me wrong. I like when I can identify the samples as well. I guess I should stick to the horror movie samples instead.... kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab i think therefore i ambient #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_________________TRIBAL________________\ http://www.superior.net/~zothboy - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phonaut" To: "+49-69/450464" Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 2:44 PM Subject: Re: (fax) dreamfish > > On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, John Whitney wrote: > > who's voice is that anyway? > > it's the voice of Terrance McKenna. > n/p > np-Transonic > . . . . . . ..... . . . . . . > Official Tetsu Inoue Homepage, Radio Playlists, and Tradelists @: > http://ww1.math.luc.edu/~njurcin > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:52:41 -0600 (MDT) From: wallace winfrey Subject: Re: (fax) dreamfish On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, John Whitney wrote: > especially that one track about god and women... i'm > all for woman's rights/issues... awareness, but that > song just drills a sample into your head until you > feel ill, what a dud! who's voice is that anyway? You must be speaking of "Hymn" -- the voice is Terrence McKenna, and the sample is (I think) "The god of western civilization has nothing to do with women". I love every track on Dreamfish, and this one is no exception. The synth lines are written in a traditional hymnal structure (try singing the different parts sometime), and I think the sample is a nice contrast to the song structure in this regard. Given that a traditional hymn is written and sung to glorify "God" (the Judeo-Christian one), I think it's very clever to juxtapose the hymnal structure with the inherent message of the sample. w ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:50:08 -0400 From: "jackthetab" Subject: (fax) dreamfish I like Terrence McKenna...even though I find many of his theories to be "out there", and not all that conceivable. The problem I have, and its not really with Mckenna...but he is so oversampled in music, that everytime I hear his voice in music, I cringe. Listening to him live is one thing...but why do I have to listen to him in music all the time as well. I like samples, dont get me wrong. I like when I can identify the samples as well. I guess I should stick to the horror movie samples instead.... kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab i think therefore i ambient #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_________________TRIBAL________________\ http://www.superior.net/~zothboy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:16:49 +0100 From: "Corbin, Nick (CAP, EEF)" Subject: RE: (fax) dreamfish jackthetab wrote: > I find these releases to be some of the weakest sounds off the FAX label.... Am I the only one who feels this way? i think that the first track on dreamfish 1, 'school of fish', is one of the best tracks out of fax. perfect, imo. but the disc is spoilt somewhat by the 'track about god and women' as john put it; it just goes on and on and on and gets a bit annoying. dreamfish 2 has some nice stuff on it, it's a bit darker than the first release... This e-mail is intended for the addressee(s) named above only. As this e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, if you are not the named addressee(s) or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee(s), please telephone us immediately. The contents of this e-mail should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:41:57 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: Re: (fax) dreamfish Overall, Dreamfish was pretty damn original for its time (after all we've had almost 10 years to get sick of sampled voices since then) and one of Fax's most consistent releases in '93 I thought. Unfortunately, the follow-up failed to hit the mark, rather limp than dark. ... and "wow" ... starting an A-Z tour of Fax on Aeriel Service Area 2 ... talk about in at the DEEP end. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:48:36 +0100 From: "Corbin, Nick (CAP, EEF)" Subject: RE: (fax) dreamfish > and "wow" ... starting an A-Z tour of Fax on Aeriel Service Area 2 talk about in at the DEEP end. the aerial service area releases never quite struck home for me. i think i must've missed something as i know they have many fans, but i think that at that time i was hoping tha every fax disc was going to be another zenith, ambient otaku or shellground... This e-mail is intended for the addressee(s) named above only. As this e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, if you are not the named addressee(s) or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee(s), please telephone us immediately. The contents of this e-mail should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:09:38 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: (fax) Aerial Service Area >the aerial service area releases never quite struck home for me. i think i >must've missed something as i know they have many fans, but i think that at >that time i was hoping tha every fax disc was going to be another zenith, >ambient otaku or shellground... Who could argue against the fact that these three are anything other than masterpieces ... but, but, but, in their particular way I find the ASA's are too. Certainly the first one which has a distinctive 'ambience' all its own. It's slightly raw yet, warm (does this make sense?) although the follow up was obviously right out there. Both deserve late night listening imo and are excellent examples of an electro-pioneer (Sol) at his own 'zenith'. yes, it's that old potato Nick ... listen again (in appropriate environ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:23:55 +0100 From: "Corbin, Nick (CAP, EEF)" Subject: (fax) RE: Aerial Service Area >>at that time i was hoping that every fax disc was going to be another zenith, ambient otaku or shellground... > Who could argue against the fact that these three are anything other than masterpieces ... i didn't know that you liked 'shellground' paul.............! :- ) seriously, i think everyone has their own 'shellground', i.e. a disc they dearly love which sorta 'sums them up', mine being 'zenith'. amazing... > Certainly the first one which has a distinctive 'ambience' all its own. yes, it definitely has it's own unique character. it's incredible when a release just 'drips' with a feeling and atmos all of its own... > yes, it's that old potato Nick ... listen again (in appropriate environ) unfortunately (don't shoot me) both have long since departed my collection. i'll give 'zenith' a spin instead! ;- ) This e-mail is intended for the addressee(s) named above only. As this e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, if you are not the named addressee(s) or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee(s), please telephone us immediately. The contents of this e-mail should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:35:46 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: Re: (fax) RE: Aerial Service Area > it's incredible when a release just 'drips' with a feeling and > atmos all of its own... So true! I'm not going to stir up that old and much discussed topic of Sub Label demise but, more than a few PS releases could be described thus. Still my favourite label in the Fax stable. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:44:49 +0100 From: "Corbin, Nick (CAP, EEF)" Subject: RE: (fax) RE: Aerial Service Area although i'm 'musical', to a certain extent, i wouldn't be able to make the music. compositional excellence goes to the next level i think when the musician's able to create a mood (ala shellground etc). the 'backgound' sound and feeling is *as* important as the actual notes and sounds used for the main theme of the music... This e-mail is intended for the addressee(s) named above only. As this e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, if you are not the named addressee(s) or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee(s), please telephone us immediately. The contents of this e-mail should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:23:58 +0000 From: Agust A J Subject: Re: (fax) Alien Community At 16:02 25.4.2002 +0100, you wrote: > >... but the build up is half the fun. I love listening to them as the > >sounds are gradually added and you can hear it develop into really cool > >breakbeatery. > >Rather nicely put ... and why I "luv 'em" > >I remember Roland (I think it was?) once saying that they can >be played simultaneously but, I tried it and it doesn't work. hm... I only have those 2 as mp3s, but I tried playing them both at the same time, and thought the effect was quite ... interesting ;) then again, I've done things like playing 3 albums at the same time for really odd effects (in order of loudest to the most quiet volume setting: tomas jirku: immaterial, monolake: the desert ep & sun electric: 30.7.94... lovely mix ;) - --- Agust "nemesis1" - aaj@centrum.is - ICQ: 1290264 - http://nem1.cjb.net free your :) [tm] ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2002 #72 ******************************* --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org