From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2002 #75 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Wednesday, May 1 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 075 Re: R: (fax) Evolution of the Dark Side of The Moog R: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX RE: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX (fax) "NP" / V2aChill / DSotM IX Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX Re: (fax) "NP" / V2aChill / DSotM IX R: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX (fax) last of the off-topics Re: (fax) last of the off-topics Re: (fax) The Dark Side Of The Moog IX (fax) =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=A3800_for_Masks_100-500?= Re: (fax) RE: Aerial Service Area (fax) Floyd / Moog connection Re: (fax) Floyd / Moog connection (fax) Floyd Footnote RE: (fax) Floyd Footnote (fax) Floyd & Klaus Re: (fax) Floyd Footnote Re: (fax) Floyd Footnote Re: (fax) Floyd & Klaus ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 08:16:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Hill Subject: Re: R: (fax) Evolution of the Dark Side of The Moog Do you mean the last track on DSOTM #7? I think this synth string track is amazing! one of the best tracks I have ever heard from Namlook. - --- stm wrote: > In my view one of the most beautiful tracks of the > series is The Final Dat > pt. 2, and it's a quite pity it's not been included > in this collection. > > -- > Riccardo > > .. . . . . . . . . . . .. > musictrade http://digilander.iol.it/radioactivetoy > .. . . . . . . . . . . .. > > > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:18:34 +0200 From: "stm" Subject: R: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX > Title is a bit naff this time ... should have been > A Momentary Lapse of Modulation Pity that album isn't by the Pink Floyd ... but by another band that uses to perform their songs ;-) - -- Riccardo .. . . . . . . . . . . .. musictrade http://digilander.iol.it/radioactivetoy .. . . . . . . . . . . .. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Milligan To: Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 10:37 AM Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX > >Set the Controls for the Heart of the Mother > > Title is a bit naff this time ... should have been > A Momentary Lapse of Modulation > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:23:22 -0400 From: "Conlon, Timothy J" Subject: RE: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX Ain't that the truth.=20 Have you heard Roger Waters' double live, "In the Flesh"? Excellent! > -----Original Message----- > From: stm [SMTP:stm@libero.it] > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 1:19 PM > To: faxlist > Subject: R: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX >=20 > > Title is a bit naff this time ... should have been > > A Momentary Lapse of Modulation >=20 > Pity that album isn't by the Pink Floyd ... > but by another band that uses to perform their songs ;-) >=20 > -- > Riccardo >=20 > .. . . . . . . . . . . .. > musictrade http://digilander.iol.it/radioactivetoy > .. . . . . . . . . . . .. >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Paul Milligan > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 10:37 AM > Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX >=20 >=20 > > >Set the Controls for the Heart of the Mother > >=20 > > Title is a bit naff this time ... should have been > > A Momentary Lapse of Modulation > >=20 > > --- > > + To post: ; to mail a person: = > > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: = > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:31:55 -0400 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX Is there a reason why Namlook is involved with the "ripping" off of Pink Floyd? I use ripping off loosely here....... Is he trying to draw other Floydians into ambient? I mean I at one hand appreciate the fact that he wants to use some Floyd titles and impressions of their music, but at the same time, where is the originality in that? I can see myself taking some flack on this... but you know that is the jackthetab way :-) kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab i think therefore i ambient #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_________________TRIBAL________________\ http://www.superior.net/~zothboy - ----- Original Message ----- From: "stm" To: "faxlist" Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 1:18 PM Subject: R: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX > > Title is a bit naff this time ... should have been > > A Momentary Lapse of Modulation > > Pity that album isn't by the Pink Floyd ... > but by another band that uses to perform their songs ;-) > > -- > Riccardo > > .. . . . . . . . . . . .. > musictrade http://digilander.iol.it/radioactivetoy > .. . . . . . . . . . . .. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Milligan > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 10:37 AM > Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX > > > > >Set the Controls for the Heart of the Mother > > > > Title is a bit naff this time ... should have been > > A Momentary Lapse of Modulation > > > > --- > > + To post: ; to mail a person: > > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:58:02 -0700 (PDT) From: The Mister Subject: (fax) "NP" / V2aChill / DSotM IX > From: Edward Jones > Subject: (fax) MP3 to CD programme > > NP. King Crimson - Red > (I'm serious!) Good choice... I'm sure there are plenty of Fripp-heads on this list. > From: Edward Jones > Subject: (fax) Evolution of the Dark Side of The > Moog > > (totally unlike "A View To A Chill", which IMO was > bashed together pretty much any old how) I was also hoping for a better "mix". However, I imagine that would be somewhat difficult to achieve without composing new transitions (not a bad idea, actually). What disappointed me regarding the compilation isn't so much the choice, but the way it winds down. I can see plenty of reasons to put the "good" (and more recent) stuff first. I.e., hit 'em with something that new listeners can immediately relate to (other than "Entity 2350" or whatever) rather than starting out with the less accessible first few releases. The downside to this, though, is that the energy and structure both tend to shift downward (in general, bumping up temporarily e.g. Namlook V) as the compilation nears the end. As the pieces progress / regress into further abstraction and we go backwards in time, the statement as a whole seems to fall apart. All IMO, of course. BTW, Andre (or anyone), is it my imagination, or is "Go No Go" on V2aChill a completely new remix? I know it's edited, but by how much? > From: "Paul Milligan" > > Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX > > >Set the Controls for the Heart of the Mother > > Title is a bit naff this time ... should have been > A Momentary Lapse of Modulation Has there been a previous thread that suggests potential DSotM titles? I'd be curious to read others' suggestions. Damon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:03:32 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whitney Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - --- jackthetab wrote: > Is there a reason why Namlook is involved with > the "ripping" off of Pink Floyd? Is he trying to draw other Floydians into ambient? > I mean I at one hand appreciate the fact that he > wants to use some Floyd titles and impressions > of their music, but at the same time, where is > the originality in that? i think namlook is quite the cheeseball punster when it comes right down to it. some of his jokey titles are total cornball! i just think he started out with the floyd/joke theme, it was successful and he kept running with it. i swear though, he's like a weird uncle or something at times when it comes down to his sense of humor! :-) as far as where's the originality, well... it only exists in so far as the pun is different than the original itself (not too original i guess) ... and the music is (hopefully) original. i think the floyd link really only can be attributed to some of those passages on 'wish you were here' and maybe 'on the run' off of 'dark side of the moon', other than that, dsotm doesn't really sound like much other floyd to me. bla bla bla, john p.s. there used to be this guy i went to school with who was a total stoner... one time we were sitting in a dorm and he took a big puff, gazed at the ceiling and said: dude, i'm trying to think of a word to describe pink floyd... after a long long thought out pause, his eyes lit up and he said 'awesome is the word, awesome' :-) i'll never forget it, it was like an SNL or Kids in the Hall skit or something... he he he. shine on you crazy diamond. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:09:33 -0400 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX I appreciate the non flaming post :-) I have noticed that Namlook does have some weird and interesting titles that deff invoke some chuckles with me. I guess I just missed why Namlook chose Floyd over anyone else.... kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab i think therefore i ambient #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_________________TRIBAL________________\ http://www.superior.net/~zothboy - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Whitney" To: "jackthetab" ; "stm" ; "faxlist" Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 2:03 PM Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX > --- jackthetab wrote: > > Is there a reason why Namlook is involved with > > the "ripping" off of Pink Floyd? Is he trying to > draw other Floydians into ambient? > > I mean I at one hand appreciate the fact that he > > wants to use some Floyd titles and impressions > > of their music, but at the same time, where is > > the originality in that? > > i think namlook is quite the cheeseball punster when > it comes right down to it. some of his jokey titles > are total cornball! i just think he started out with > the floyd/joke theme, it was successful and he kept > running with it. i swear though, he's like a weird > uncle or something at times when it comes down to his > sense of humor! :-) as far as where's the > originality, well... it only exists in so far as the > pun is different than the original itself (not too > original i guess) ... and the music is (hopefully) > original. i think the floyd link really only can be > attributed to some of those passages on 'wish you were > here' and maybe 'on the run' off of 'dark side of the > moon', other than that, dsotm doesn't really sound > like much other floyd to me. > > bla bla bla, > john > > p.s. there used to be this guy i went to school with > who was a total stoner... one time we were sitting in > a dorm and he took a big puff, gazed at the ceiling > and said: dude, i'm trying to think of a word to > describe pink floyd... after a long long thought out > pause, his eyes lit up and he said 'awesome is the > word, awesome' :-) i'll never forget it, it was like > an SNL or Kids in the Hall skit or something... he he > he. shine on you crazy diamond. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:11:45 -0400 From: DTC Subject: Re: (fax) "NP" / V2aChill / DSotM IX on 4/30/02 1:58 PM, The Mister at themister123@yahoo.com wrote: > Has there been a previous thread that suggests > potential DSotM titles? Yeah there was one a while back. In fact I think Namlook used some of them. I'm almost positive that 'Obscured by Klaus' was a list suggestion, and I think a few others might have been too. I think this might have been before the Faxlist was established though. Maybe it was on the ambient list? David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 20:36:36 +0200 From: "stm" Subject: R: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX > Have you heard Roger Waters' double live, "In the Flesh"? Excellent! Sure! Excellent (except the gospel choirs on 'shine on you ...') And that's exactly what I meant. - -- Riccardo .. . . . . . . . . . . .. musictrade http://digilander.iol.it/radioactivetoy .. . . . . . . . . . . .. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Conlon, Timothy J To: stm ; faxlist Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 7:23 PM Subject: RE: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX Ain't that the truth. Have you heard Roger Waters' double live, "In the Flesh"? Excellent! > -----Original Message----- > From: stm [SMTP:stm@libero.it] > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 1:19 PM > To: faxlist > Subject: R: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX > > > Title is a bit naff this time ... should have been > > A Momentary Lapse of Modulation > > Pity that album isn't by the Pink Floyd ... > but by another band that uses to perform their songs ;-) > > -- > Riccardo > > .. . . . . . . . . . . .. > musictrade http://digilander.iol.it/radioactivetoy > .. . . . . . . . . . . .. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Milligan > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 10:37 AM > Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX > > > > >Set the Controls for the Heart of the Mother > > > > Title is a bit naff this time ... should have been > > A Momentary Lapse of Modulation > > > > --- > > + To post: ; to mail a person: > > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 21:09:48 +0200 From: "stm" Subject: (fax) last of the off-topics Oh god! Someone has spent 800 GBP for the whole Mask collection! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=862597142 - -- Riccardo .. . . . . . . . . . . .. musictrade http://digilander.iol.it/radioactivetoy .. . . . . . . . . . . .. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:35:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Phonaut Subject: Re: (fax) last of the off-topics On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, stm wrote: > Oh god! > Someone has spent 800 GBP for the whole Mask collection! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=862597142 not bad, considering only MASK100 has gone for 1,000+US$ on ebay in the past... eek! n/p np- From Within II . . . . . . ..... . . . . . . Official Tetsu Inoue Homepage, Radio Playlists, and Tradelists @: http://ww1.math.luc.edu/~njurcin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 15:00:44 +1000 From: Geoff Elgey Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side Of The Moog IX G'day, Paul Milligan wrote: >> Set the Controls for the Heart of the Mother > > Title is a bit naff this time ... should have been A Momentary Lapse of Modulation Set the Controls for the Heart of the Pun? Wot's.. Uh the Kool, Man? MIDI-lle? Faxless? Not Now Klaus? Two Bums In The Studio? Your Possible Cut-n-Pastes? Cheers, Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 08:38:55 +0100 From: Edward Jones Subject: (fax) =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=A3800_for_Masks_100-500?= That isn't quite as insane as it sounds. As they are limited in quantity to the number in the title, the first two are incredibly hard to come by. Although, I must say I only paid =A350 each for Masks 300-500 about six mon= ths ago. Anyway, someone paid =A3847 the other month for a vinyl copy of "Twoism" by Boards of Canada. Now, THAT'S insanity! DISCLAIMER: The information in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to thi= s message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or distribution of the message, or any action or omission taken by you in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please immediately contact the sender if you have received this message in error. Thank you. _____________________________________________________________________ (O)This message has been checked for all known viruses by MessageLabs. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 09:24:27 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: Re: (fax) RE: Aerial Service Area Mr D'Arcy wrote: >I have decided that I am stuck in the past. Well, as the thing under the floorboards said in The Evil Dead ... "join us" >there is a something out there that never should have died. > Ah yes, we bemoan, we bemoan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 09:47:23 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: (fax) Floyd / Moog connection I believe that just prior to the first Moog release Klaus Schulze had a "private meeting" with the Floyd, the purpose of which I assume to be the granting of their blessing to plagiarize titles from their back catalogue. I say " assume" because Klaus Mueller (Schulze's one time manager) elected not to elaborate on what transpired at the meeting but, this is possibly due to the fact he does not approve of KS's association with Fax, well PK to be precise. Whether there is further significance (ie. whether KS and/or PK particularly rate their stuff as influential) I really do not know. Of course, it could be quite intelligently argued that some of Floyd's work circa 68 - 73 period has a musicality which is not that far removed from subsequent 'ambient' works ... I'm thinking about tracks like Echoes and Set The Controls. Incidently, I was amused by one of Geoff's suggestions - What's Uh The Kool, Man? - especially as it comes from Floyd's masterful but, relatively unknown (ie. generally ignored!) soundtrack album Obscured By Clouds ... imho their best release. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 05:55:09 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whitney Subject: Re: (fax) Floyd / Moog connection - --- Paul Milligan wrote: > Incidently, I was amused by one of Geoff's > suggestions - What's > Uh The Kool, Man? - especially as it comes from > Floyd's masterful > but, relatively unknown (ie. generally ignored!) > soundtrack album > Obscured By Clouds ... imho their best release. I really enjoy Obscured By Clouds and it starts off with quite a fat synth intro as well (I forgot). That's interesting info about the Floyd/KS meeting... who would've thunkit? I guess it was silly of me to think they could go about making all those plays on PF titles without some sort of blessing from The Floyd -- I guess I just thought it was Fax and it was so limited edition, no one would really care. Comfortably dumb, John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 14:33:02 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: (fax) Floyd Footnote ...just read Toop's (Wire) interview with PK back in 94 and noticed that he cites Meddle as one of his earliest influences. Interesting that, as "Echoes" was the first track that came to mind earlier today as having some relevance to 'ambient' music. Paul np. Traffic - The Low Spark Of High Heeled Boys (just remastered) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 09:44:09 -0400 From: "Conlon, Timothy J" Subject: RE: (fax) Floyd Footnote I always felt like I was free-falling down a bottomless hole during the = middle of that song. And every so often, I would pass some kind of = bird screeching as I went by. Especially vivid in the dark. > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Milligan [SMTP:paulmilligan@georgiadesign.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 9:33 AM > To: faxlist@2350.org > Subject: (fax) Floyd Footnote >=20 > ...just read Toop's (Wire) interview with PK back in 94 > and noticed that he cites Meddle as one of his earliest > influences. Interesting that, as "Echoes" was the first > track that came to mind earlier today as having some > relevance to 'ambient' music. >=20 > Paul >=20 > np. Traffic - The Low Spark Of High Heeled Boys=20 > (just remastered) > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: = > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 10:41:16 -0400 From: apfleischer@mindspring.com Subject: (fax) Floyd & Klaus All this Floyd talk prompted me to dig out an old FAX track by ESCAPE, called "Escape to Neptune," which I have off an old Rising High trance CD (along with a SEQUENTIAL track & one from DREAMFISH). The tune is rife with direct Pink Floyd samples. At the song's start, after a mad synthesizer intro, the percussion tape loop from "On the Run" enters, followed by 4-on-the-floor thumps. The echoey bass effects from "One of These Days" begins, soon to be joined by both the "pings" from the opening of "Echoes" & also Gilmour's crying, far-off guitar whines from the long middle section of "Echoes." So we have FOUR Floyd samples in one song playing simultaneously. If that's not a tribute to Pink Floyd then Namlook's a folk singer . . . Also, I, too, had some Email contact a year or so back with Klaus Mueller, who, in no minced words, related his contempt for Pete. Something about moneys due to Klaus for his work. I replied that if Mr Schulze was unhappy with his arrangement, why would he continue to collaborate with Namlook through eight (soon to be nine) projects? In the music business it seems you get paid too little for too much & too much for too little. Andrew F np: Silence IV (it's still morning!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 07:49:28 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whitney Subject: Re: (fax) Floyd Footnote - --- Paul Milligan wrote: > ...just read Toop's (Wire) interview with PK back in > 94 > and noticed that he cites Meddle as one of his > earliest > influences. is there a link to this where i can read it online? thanks! john __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 15:57:07 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: Re: (fax) Floyd Footnote >> ...just read Toop's (Wire) interview with PK >is there a link to this where i can read it online? Suprisingly, on the 'Links' page @ 2350.org. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 16:14:22 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: Re: (fax) Floyd & Klaus >Also, I, too, had some Email contact a year or so back with Klaus >Mueller, who, in no minced words, related his contempt for Pete. >Something about moneys due to Klaus for his work. My recollection of KDM's views about Fax/PK are with regard to licensing - something about how he thinks PK is pulling a fast one by using a third party but, don't ask me to explain it in any detail cause I can't recall. >I replied that if Mr Schulze was unhappy with his arrangement, why >would he continue to collaborate with Namlook ... As the Moogs always go out of print quite quickly and are pressed in greater quantity than other releases (and get re-released on AW) I don't really see how KS could be coming out of this one empty-handed, apart from which, as you say, why would he continue to collaborate? Also, I think that PK has a particular respect for KS and wouldn't rip him off. I recall KDM commenting on the fact that KS doesn't have a business brain (and has been many times ripped off in the past by promoters and business 'partners'... oh yeah and, of course, the bootleggers!) but, I'm pretty sure those days are long gone now. ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2002 #75 ******************************* --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org