From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2002 #84 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Monday, May 20 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 084 Re: (fax) EMusic Heaven! Re: (fax) EMusic Heaven! Re: (fax) EMusic Heaven! Re: (fax) Mp3's (yawn)... Re: (fax) EMusic Heaven! Re: (fax) Mp3's (yawn)... Re: (fax) Mp3's (yawn)... (fax) EMusic Re: (fax) EMusic RE: (fax) EMusic Heaven! RE: (fax) EMusic Heaven! (fax) Some reviews Re: (fax) Mp3's (yawn)... Re: (fax) Mp3's (yawn)... Re: (fax) Mp3's (yawn)... Re: (fax) Mp3's (yawn)... Re: (fax) Mp3's (yawn)... Re: (fax) Mp3's (yawn)... Re: (fax) Mp3's (yawn)... (fax) is Linde-go gone? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 11:00:21 +0200 From: Caspar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Str=F6m?= Subject: Re: (fax) EMusic Heaven! I don't think having the albums on mp3 is the same thing as having the actual cd. Besides, most of the emusic mp3s are available for free via audiogalaxy. If it weren't for AG i wouldn't have a single fax cd. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 19:45:36 +1000 From: "andre@sansserif.com.au" Subject: Re: (fax) EMusic Heaven! > If it weren't for AG i wouldn't have a single fax cd. please dont tell me how much fax music you've pirated.. i dont want to start up the old mp3 debate but just remember, behind fax, is a man who makes his living out of his label. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 12:05:34 +0200 From: Caspar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Str=F6m?= Subject: Re: (fax) EMusic Heaven! > >i dont want to start up the old mp3 debate but just remember, behind fax, is > >a man who makes his living out of his label. Yes, that is why i buy his music. Ok, no debate.. but just tell me, where can i discover music outside the internet? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 12:04:51 +0200 From: "Richard Hughes" Subject: Re: (fax) Mp3's (yawn)... Have to agree with Andre, get a life you sad people. And let's not start up the Mp3 debate pls. As an alternative can we start a debate on the weird and wacky "quotes" on the inside covers of the early cd's. One of my favourites is Escape - "Is that right?" - Also can any German speakers out there shed some light on the inscription on the inside of Sequential which reads as follows: =Sequential= Der absolute Geist ist Urprinzip des Seins. Das Sein entbirgt sich in Bewußtsein und Materie. In der Musik vereinen sich Ideen und Klange zum Abbid des absoluten Geistes. Sequential ist ein Teil davon... Cheers > > If it weren't for AG i wouldn't have a single fax cd. > > please dont tell me how much fax music you've pirated.. > > i dont want to start up the old mp3 debate but just remember, behind fax, is > a man who makes his living out of his label. > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 12:07:15 +0200 From: "Richard Hughes" Subject: Re: (fax) EMusic Heaven! Try www.cue-records.de (internet site of official Fax distibutors in Europe) or if not go through Andre@Sansserif. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caspar Ström" To: Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 12:05 PM Subject: Re: (fax) EMusic Heaven! > > > >i dont want to start up the old mp3 debate but just remember, behind fax, is > > >a man who makes his living out of his label. > > Yes, that is why i buy his music. > > Ok, no debate.. but just tell me, where can i discover music outside the > internet? > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 12:20:50 +0200 From: Caspar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Str=F6m?= Subject: Re: (fax) Mp3's (yawn)... > > get a life you sad people. .................! I have bought no less than 10 fax releases this year, and have more than i can afford on my want-list. Because i found out about them through mp3s that makes me a sad bastard? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 12:24:53 +0200 From: "Richard Hughes" Subject: Re: (fax) Mp3's (yawn)... > Because i found out about them through mp3s that makes me a sad bastard? I didn't quite say that, sorry if you took this as a personal swipe - I was referring to the blatant copying / non-paying downloaders - the tracks were obviously put up on emusic.com for a reason, one of them being that it gave a wider range of people a chance to hear some of the great fax titles that were long out of print, but in order that Fax continue to produce music, the idea is that downloaders pay a small price, presumably helping contribute to the longevity of the label and letting the artists get their dues... Anyway case closed. We have all heard this debate before so let's talk about something else - please... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caspar Ström" To: Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 12:20 PM Subject: Re: (fax) Mp3's (yawn)... > > > > get a life you sad people. > > .................! > > I have bought no less than 10 fax releases this year, and have more than i > can afford on my want-list. > > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 15:17:36 +0200 From: Caspar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Str=F6m?= Subject: (fax) EMusic Just curious.. if I download an album from emusic, then burn it on a cd. Will that be pirating? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 23:41:38 +1000 From: "andre@sansserif.com.au" Subject: Re: (fax) EMusic on 19/5/02 23:17, Caspar Str=F6m at caspar.s@telia.com wrote: > Just curious.. if I download an album from emusic, then burn it on a cd. > Will that be pirating? no, because you will have paid emusic for the download. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 23:54:18 +1000 From: "electroteque" Subject: RE: (fax) EMusic Heaven! i wouldnt proclaim it theiving , fact mp3's are mostly distributed at 128k which is shit quality , mp3's are a good tool for any music to preview the album before buying it , which has worked for me heaps of times now , i am not willing to spend the limited amount of dough i have on a cd which only has a review and no audio to accompany it , as all people are differant and have transsient tastes, say two people may like one cd , one of the two people may only like another cd, sorry text isnt enough for me i need sounds ! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-faxlist@2350.org [mailto:owner-faxlist@2350.org]On Behalf Of andre@sansserif.com.au Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 7:46 PM To: faxlist@2350.org Subject: Re: (fax) EMusic Heaven! > If it weren't for AG i wouldn't have a single fax cd. please dont tell me how much fax music you've pirated.. i dont want to start up the old mp3 debate but just remember, behind fax, is a man who makes his living out of his label. - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 00:04:36 +1000 From: "electroteque" Subject: RE: (fax) EMusic Heaven! just to add to it , it goes for all labels i collect , there is alot of hit and miss factor which is why i need previews - -----Original Message----- From: owner-faxlist@2350.org [mailto:owner-faxlist@2350.org]On Behalf Of electroteque Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 11:54 PM To: andre@sansserif.com.au; faxlist@2350.org Subject: RE: (fax) EMusic Heaven! i wouldnt proclaim it theiving , fact mp3's are mostly distributed at 128k which is shit quality , mp3's are a good tool for any music to preview the album before buying it , which has worked for me heaps of times now , i am not willing to spend the limited amount of dough i have on a cd which only has a review and no audio to accompany it , as all people are differant and have transsient tastes, say two people may like one cd , one of the two people may only like another cd, sorry text isnt enough for me i need sounds ! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-faxlist@2350.org [mailto:owner-faxlist@2350.org]On Behalf Of andre@sansserif.com.au Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 7:46 PM To: faxlist@2350.org Subject: Re: (fax) EMusic Heaven! > If it weren't for AG i wouldn't have a single fax cd. please dont tell me how much fax music you've pirated.. i dont want to start up the old mp3 debate but just remember, behind fax, is a man who makes his living out of his label. - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 16:43:34 +0200 From: "Richard Hughes" Subject: (fax) Some reviews Seasons Greetings =Winter= My first Fax purchase together with Silence 2. At first I wasn't too sure what to make of this, the music was nice, but didn't seem to go anywhere over the course of 60 minutes. Then one cold December morning lying in bed I put it on and it all made sense. Absolutely beautiful, you can feel the cold, wrapping itself around your head, almost sense the icicles forming on your speakers. At the right time of year I could listen to this all day. Houdini For those who may have written off some of the early Fax trance albums as an outdated curiosity and nothing more, this album may come as a pleasant surprise. It does actually stand up to repeated listening even today (2002). As Jonathan Takagi states in his review it is reminiscent of some of the stuff coming from the Eye-Q label in 93/94. The best tracks are in my opinion "Braincloud", which samples Bjork to quite good effect, "Neural Deception" and "Iris". The rest are still quite interesting examples of the genre and are all very melodic gradually developing their themes intelligently and to fairly danceable effect. Escape I bought this when it first came out and was very impressed. Another early fax release that has stood the test of time pretty well. The first four tracks are the typical four to the floor stompers, that were very common on the label at the time. The best of the four is perhaps "Escape to Neptune". "Trip to/from Mars" are basically the same track with slightly different sound effects on each, some weird bleeping portraying well the idea of an alien landscape. Athmosphere (sic) Processor is a 17 minute exploration of some of the themes already explored combined with some more great spacey effects. The last track of the first disc "Trip to Polaris" is a slowed down version of track four ( a common trick of Peter's at the time) which features a fantastic, rasping ventilator-like sound that slowly hisses in out throughout the length of the track. Then to disc two. This could be a great album in itself. It is perhaps similar to Air 2 to in some respects, featuring some ethnic elements and also in that it is a real journey. Starts off deep and spacey with an absolutely gorgeous melody that fades in and out, it then speeds up about halfway through before slowing down again towards the end with the return of the melody. It also features some great samples from various Apollo missions and also the girl Rowland mentions in his review saying "I don't want to go into space, I just want to stay alone with my house" to which a man replies "Is that right?". There is also another great sample towards the end - "Man stretches his soul, reaching out, to the fabulous, the puzzling lure of space, [that] still brings dreams of wonder, and excitement to young minds." Kinda like Fax really. Excellent stuff. =================================== Richard Hughes ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 12:48:43 -0400 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) Mp3's (yawn)... ***Because i found out about them through mp3s that makes me a sad bastard?*** yes it does. kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caspar Ström" To: Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 6:20 AM Subject: Re: (fax) Mp3's (yawn)... > > > > get a life you sad people. > > .................! > > I have bought no less than 10 fax releases this year, and have more than i > can afford on my want-list. > > Because i found out about them through mp3s that makes me a sad bastard? > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 20:00:00 +0200 (MET DST) From: Leszek Zabinski Subject: Re: (fax) Mp3's (yawn)... On Sun, 19 May 2002, jackthetab wrote: > ***Because i found out about them through mp3s that makes me a sad > bastard?*** > > yes it does. > > kunst und wahnsinn, > jackthetab Admit it, you just can't stand that someone can actually listen to your precious "500" The Putney that you so proudly own and preserve. I can imagine how painful is for you, the Grand-Old Faxhead (GOF), the idea of Ambient World. You narrow-minded elitist. Leszek. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 14:07:21 -0400 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) Mp3's (yawn)... Actually, I have not exactly preserved The Putney... I am not a "Grand-Old Faxhead"...I like the AW label. I would NOT pay $81 (just went off on ebay) for FAX-PK 08/01-Compilation 1 Infact, I do not like 1/2 of what is released on FAX.... So, your judgement seems to be grossly incorrect.... kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leszek Zabinski" To: Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 2:00 PM Subject: Re: (fax) Mp3's (yawn)... > > > On Sun, 19 May 2002, jackthetab wrote: > > > ***Because i found out about them through mp3s that makes me a sad > > bastard?*** > > > > yes it does. > > > > kunst und wahnsinn, > > jackthetab > > > Admit it, you just can't stand that someone can actually listen to your > precious "500" The Putney that you so proudly own and preserve. > > I can imagine how painful is for you, the Grand-Old Faxhead (GOF), the > idea of Ambient World. > > You narrow-minded elitist. > > > Leszek. > > > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 21:15:06 +0200 From: "Richard Hughes" Subject: Re: (fax) Mp3's (yawn)... "I can imagine how painful is for you, the Grand-Old Faxhead (GOF), the idea of Ambient World" Indeed especially the artwork on the reissues :-) (with perhaps the exception of DSOTM2 which is pretty cool) PS: Show some respect you young whippersnapper - kids today..... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "jackthetab" To: "Leszek Zabinski" ; Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 8:07 PM Subject: Re: (fax) Mp3's (yawn)... > Actually, I have not exactly preserved The Putney... > I am not a "Grand-Old Faxhead"...I like the AW label. > I would NOT pay $81 (just went off on ebay) for > FAX-PK 08/01-Compilation 1 > Infact, I do not like 1/2 of what is released on FAX.... > So, your judgement seems to be grossly incorrect.... > > kunst und wahnsinn, > jackthetab > > #####\ _ /##### > #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# > ##### | /_woof/ | ##### > #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# > # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # > #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# > #####/ ######/ \###### \##### > /_______________________________________\ > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leszek Zabinski" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 2:00 PM > Subject: Re: (fax) Mp3's (yawn)... > > > > > > > > On Sun, 19 May 2002, jackthetab wrote: > > > > > ***Because i found out about them through mp3s that makes me a sad > > > bastard?*** > > > > > > yes it does. > > > > > > kunst und wahnsinn, > > > jackthetab > > > > > > Admit it, you just can't stand that someone can actually listen to your > > precious "500" The Putney that you so proudly own and preserve. > > > > I can imagine how painful is for you, the Grand-Old Faxhead (GOF), the > > idea of Ambient World. > > > > You narrow-minded elitist. > > > > > > Leszek. > > > > > > > > --- > > + To post: ; to mail a person: > > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > > > > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 21:31:58 +0200 From: Caspar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Str=F6m?= Subject: Re: (fax) Mp3's (yawn)... Just to clear up one of the many misunderstandings... On Sun, 19 May 2002, jackthetab wrote: >> ***Because i found out about them through mp3s that makes me a sad >> bastard?*** > > yes it does. > >> Are you being sarcastic? > >yes, sarcasm sometimes is not easy to >detect over e-mail. It was not a rude >comment by any means...hehe >sorry about that though. > > kunst und wahnsinn, > jackthetab At 20:00 2002-05-19 +0200, Leszek wrote: >Admit it, you just can't stand that someone can actually listen to your >precious "500" The Putney that you so proudly own and preserve. > >I can imagine how painful is for you, the Grand-Old Faxhead (GOF), the >idea of Ambient World. > >You narrow-minded elitist. > > >Leszek. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 21:53:43 +0200 From: "Richard Hughes" Subject: Re: (fax) Mp3's (yawn)... Which may go to show why the old mp3 debate is asking for trouble. Anyway for those "sad bastards" who may be interested, the translation of the inscription on the inside cover of Sequential (thanx to Hellmuth) is as follows: =Sequential= the absolute spirit is the innermost spirit of being. The being un-secludes itself in consciousness and matter. in music, ideas and sounds melt into the image of the absolute spirit. sequential is a part of this... =Sequential= Der absolute Geist ist Urprinzip des Seins. Das Sein entbirgt sich in Bewußtsein und Materie. In der Musik vereinen sich Ideen und Klange zum Abbid des absoluten Geistes. Sequential ist ein Teil davon... Whatever that means... Thankfully the music itself is a lot more self-explanatory. Rich - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caspar Ström" To: Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 9:31 PM Subject: Re: (fax) Mp3's (yawn)... > Just to clear up one of the many misunderstandings... > > On Sun, 19 May 2002, jackthetab wrote: > >> ***Because i found out about them through mp3s that makes me a sad > >> bastard?*** > > > > yes it does. > > > >> Are you being sarcastic? > > > >yes, sarcasm sometimes is not easy to > >detect over e-mail. It was not a rude > >comment by any means...hehe > >sorry about that though. > > > > kunst und wahnsinn, > > jackthetab > > > At 20:00 2002-05-19 +0200, Leszek wrote: > >Admit it, you just can't stand that someone can actually listen to your > >precious "500" The Putney that you so proudly own and preserve. > > > >I can imagine how painful is for you, the Grand-Old Faxhead (GOF), the > >idea of Ambient World. > > > >You narrow-minded elitist. > > > > > >Leszek. > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 22:18:02 +0200 From: Subject: Re: (fax) Mp3's (yawn)... ok, here's a translation: > Der absolute Geist ist Urprinzip des Seins. > > Das Sein entbirgt sich in Bewußtsein und Materie. In der Musik vereinen >sich > Ideen und Klange zum Abbid des absoluten Geistes. Sequential ist ein Teil > davon... the absolute spirit is the innermost spirit of being. being un-secludes itself in consciousness and matter. in music, ideas and sounds melt into the image of the absolute spirit. sequential is a part of this... IMHO, this means... well, nothing. it seems devoid of any sense. reading the german words, my first reaction was: LOL. however, the creation of a word like "entbirgt" (un-seclude) compensates for some of that nonsense. be that as it may - hope to have helped, hellmuth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 02:03:47 -0700 (PDT) From: ambient Subject: (fax) is Linde-go gone? I wanted to find out more about Peter Benisch`s : Lindego recording label LEFT<>RIGHT recordings ...via the website but, it is NO longer there...?? http://www.cabal.se/leftright anybody know what other artists are on the label? ,scoUt np > Pamplemousse http://mp3.com/pamplemousse __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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