From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2002 #89 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Wednesday, May 29 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 089 FW: (fax) Is Ambient Music Dying? Re: (fax) Is Ambient Music Dieing? Re: (fax) Is Ambient Music Dying? Re: (fax) Is Ambient Music Dying? RE: (fax) Fax Rarity to Trade (fax) SYN II Re: (fax) Is Ambient Music Dying? RE: (fax) Is Ambient Music Dieing? Re: (fax) Is Ambient Music Dieing? Re: (fax) Is Ambient Music Dying? Re: (fax) Is Ambient Music Dying? (fax) Is Ambient Music Dying? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 13:10:34 -0500 From: "John Goerner" Subject: FW: (fax) Is Ambient Music Dying? not to mention Elekrolux and City Centre Offices. John Goerner "Better Living Through Gravity" johng@usgravitics.com - -----Original Message----- From: muziknut2@juno.com [mailto:muziknut2@juno.com] Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 12:59 PM To: faxlist@2350.org Subject: Re: (fax) Is Ambient Music Dying? Could have fooled me! Steve Roach and Robert Rich keep churning 'em out, and the Hypnos, Amplexus, Soleilmoon, Release, and Hearts of Space labels are going strong. Peace. - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 18:19:52 -0700 (PDT) From: ambient Subject: Re: (fax) Is Ambient Music Dieing? i believe that the "ambient" scene has become majorly diluted. the novelty of such great works of art as you mentioned have spawned many copycat artists of mediocre talent. Has it died? Is ambient Music Dying? No, yet sifting through 1,000 releases of a wider array of talent, or a lack thereof, is alot more painful and tedious than, looking through 100 back a few years ago..... lately....many many many more artists are calling themselves Ambient as it has come into view of a wider audience..and this has diluted the music and the ambient/chillout scene. while some of these artists occasionally appeared on peoples top 10 list a few years back....their prolific releases have FLOODED the market with, well....crap! and lots of it! (and as ambient has gained a wider audience, many perceptions have a different opinion of what ambient is) Is ambient music Dying? No, yet alot of encroachment has weakened its perception of Purity in this grand marketplace. ,scoUt - --- Sebastian Pucilowski wrote: > Hello, > > As per the subject suggests, is ambient music dieing? > > I sit here listening to DSoTM7 part 5, and I was wondering, where > is all > the ambient going? After cruising the 2350.org releases by date > page, I > very sublimily compared all the releases from '94/'95 to these > past few > years. > > From '94/'95, we have had awesome releases such as From Within, > Ambiant > Otaku, 2350 Broadway 2, Solitaire, Shades of Orion 2 and 62 > Eulengasse, > just to name a few... Where as in the last few years we have only > really > had Fires of Ork 2 and perhaps Wired. > > Is ambient music dieing, or am I just missing something? > > Sebastian Pucilowski > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 18:28:15 -0700 (PDT) From: ambient Subject: Re: (fax) Is Ambient Music Dying? and with very deep feeling, i whole heartedly believe that these artists and labels below (with the only Exception going to Soleilmoon and some of the amplexus releases) are all Heavily NEW AGE and NOT Ambient! it is artists and labels like these that dilute the perception of Ambient/Chill-out. they aren`t "churning out" ambient as you write it...if there is any relation to ambient, then it is New Age ambient (since people argue that ambient is by definition..."quiet") so, so-be-it, but they are NOT ambient ,scoUt ps - Ten years ago, as a little raver, i never would have had this coversation arguing for Ambient or thought that it would ever come to this. - --- muziknut2@juno.com wrote: > Could have fooled me! Steve Roach and Robert Rich keep churning > 'em out, > and the Hypnos, Amplexus, Soleilmoon, Release, and Hearts of Space > labels > are going strong. Peace. > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 18:44:49 -0700 (PDT) From: ambient Subject: Re: (fax) Is Ambient Music Dying? personally, i have only heard a few releases on Elektrolux and found them to be quite techno in nature...i haven`t heard enough to know better... i really like SCHNAUSS, ULRICH "far away trains passing by" on City Center Offices/Morr Music it is beaty at times...yet quite chilled and ambient at other times...very melodic piano.... a couple tracks are too active for me to consider this a complete "chillout" album... yet, very very nice..... ,scoUt - --- John Goerner wrote: > not to mention Elekrolux and City Centre Offices. > > John Goerner > "Better Living Through Gravity" > johng@usgravitics.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: muziknut2@juno.com [mailto:muziknut2@juno.com] > Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 12:59 PM > To: faxlist@2350.org > Subject: Re: (fax) Is Ambient Music Dying? > > > Could have fooled me! Steve Roach and Robert Rich keep churning > 'em out, > and the Hypnos, Amplexus, Soleilmoon, Release, and Hearts of Space > labels > are going strong. Peace. > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:42:34 +1000 From: "dan rossi" Subject: RE: (fax) Fax Rarity to Trade yeh i figured that do you know anyone else wanting to trade harmonix ? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-faxlist@2350.org [mailto:owner-faxlist@2350.org]On Behalf Of Paul Milligan Sent: Monday, 27 May 2002 6:41 PM To: electroteque Cc: faxlist@2350.org Subject: Re: (fax) Fax Rarity to Trade >... i am looking for this one if anyone else is keen on selling >but 50 US is a bit much being half way across the globe. Well 50 US is apparently the going rate but, I NEVER sell cd's, only trade music-for-music so, Graham got it for the cost of a couple of new releases (circa 30 US including postage)... a very fair price - particularly as it cost me about 4 US to ship it. - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 21:25:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Hill Subject: (fax) SYN II Is SYN 2 worth buying?(what can you compare it to?) I'm trying to decide if I should get it...thanks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 08:12:19 -0400 From: Spencer A Marks Subject: Re: (fax) Is Ambient Music Dying? Before things get out of an let's leave the ambient vs new age debate to the folks at the ambient@hyperreal list. On Monday, May 27, 2002, at 09:28 PM, ambient wrote: > and with very deep feeling, i whole heartedly believe that these > artists and labels below > > (with the only Exception going to Soleilmoon and some of the > amplexus releases) > > > are all Heavily NEW AGE and NOT Ambient! > > > it is artists and labels like these that dilute the perception of > Ambient/Chill-out. > > they aren`t "churning out" ambient as you write it...if there is any > relation to ambient, then it is > > New Age ambient (since people argue that ambient is by > definition..."quiet") so, so-be-it, but they are NOT ambient > > > ,scoUt > > ps - Ten years ago, as a little raver, i never would have had this > coversation arguing for Ambient or thought that it would ever come > to this. > > > > > > > > --- muziknut2@juno.com wrote: >> Could have fooled me! Steve Roach and Robert Rich keep churning >> 'em out, >> and the Hypnos, Amplexus, Soleilmoon, Release, and Hearts of Space >> labels >> are going strong. Peace. >> --- >> + To post: ; to mail a person: >> >> + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to >> + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: owner@2350.org> > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > - ---------------------------------------- Spencer Marks http://www.digisolutions.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 06:03:16 -0700 From: "Raphael Almeria" Subject: RE: (fax) Is Ambient Music Dieing? I don't know if ambient is dying but an interesting experiment for you to perform is to try out google's set program. It allows you to enter a couple of items and it will predict other items in the same set. For example, if I were to specify orbital and fsol it will return the following: http://labs.google.com/sets?hl=en&q1=orbital&q2=fsol&q3=&q4=&q5=&btn=Large+S et which may be in the same genre. http://labs.google.com/sets Try it and see if you can find music that is in the same vein as that which you really like. This "set" thing applies to anything btw...so you could enter eggs, ham and bacon and get other breakfast things. - --R - -----Original Message----- From: owner-faxlist@2350.org [mailto:owner-faxlist@2350.org]On Behalf Of Sebastian Pucilowski Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 12:04 AM To: faxlist@2350.org Subject: (fax) Is Ambient Music Dieing? Hello, As per the subject suggests, is ambient music dieing? I sit here listening to DSoTM7 part 5, and I was wondering, where is all the ambient going? After cruising the 2350.org releases by date page, I very sublimily compared all the releases from '94/'95 to these past few years. From '94/'95, we have had awesome releases such as From Within, Ambiant Otaku, 2350 Broadway 2, Solitaire, Shades of Orion 2 and 62 Eulengasse, just to name a few... Where as in the last few years we have only really had Fires of Ork 2 and perhaps Wired. Is ambient music dieing, or am I just missing something? Sebastian Pucilowski - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:11:15 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: Re: (fax) Is Ambient Music Dieing? More to the point ... is musicianship (generally) on the wane? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 17:27:24 +0200 (MET DST) From: Leszek Zabinski Subject: Re: (fax) Is Ambient Music Dying? On Mon, 27 May 2002, ambient wrote: > and with very deep feeling, i whole heartedly believe that these > artists and labels below > > (with the only Exception going to Soleilmoon and some of the > amplexus releases) > > > are all Heavily NEW AGE and NOT Ambient! In this fashion... Much of the Silence and parts of the Air series are new age. Won't you agree, Scout? (sorry Spencer!) greets, Leszek. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 12:23:30 -0400 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) Is Ambient Music Dying? Actually, I dont want to jump into the new age debate, BUT...Namlook does have some new age sounding material as well. Just listen to his Y&T series.....nuff said. As for ambient music dying....I do not believe that it is dying, I just feel that there seem to be too many copy cat artists, and too much commercialism. Just think about other genres of music. Techno, industrial, gothic music have all gone through this before. There seems to be a point at which record labels find a little way to make some extra cash, and release the shit of the genre. I remember Techno back in 1992-1995, in which the market was flooded with compilations, many of which really sucked. Ambient will soon find it's way back to the underground where it belongs. For now, we just have to deal with all the crappy artists pretending to be ambient. We could kill them all, but then again, I have already been visited by the secret service once for such a threat....I guess I will pass on actually concocting a story :-) kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leszek Zabinski" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 11:27 AM Subject: Re: (fax) Is Ambient Music Dying? > > > On Mon, 27 May 2002, ambient wrote: > > > and with very deep feeling, i whole heartedly believe that these > > artists and labels below > > > > (with the only Exception going to Soleilmoon and some of the > > amplexus releases) > > > > > > are all Heavily NEW AGE and NOT Ambient! > > In this fashion... Much of the Silence and parts of the Air series are new > age. Won't you agree, Scout? > > (sorry Spencer!) > > > greets, > > Leszek. > > > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 23:38:10 -0500 From: "Heff-Ra" Subject: (fax) Is Ambient Music Dying? Doubtful. "Chillout" collections are all the rage (again) these days. First generation rave kids are all thirtysomthing [TM] at this point, which means less "rolling" to relentless club fluff and more "chilling out." (and yes, I do realize that the downtempo pop on these collections is probably not considered "ambient" by most folk on this list) When Ultra Records can take out a full page billboard ad to promote "UltraChilled" volumes 1 & 2, I believe that (at least from a sales & marketing standpoint) the music is in relatively safe territory. The question of quality is an entirely different ball of twine... cheers, Heff-Ra Psychonavigation 5 is lovely, btw... _________________________________________________________ "Is Your life too taxing? Try new Pop Culture Lifestyle[TM] instead..." ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2002 #89 ******************************* --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org