From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2002 #90 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Thursday, May 30 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 090 (fax) Ambient is Alive. (fax) SYN II Re: (fax) Ambient is Alive. (fax) The Pair Formerly Known As Koolfang Re: (fax) The Pair Formerly Known As Koolfang Re: (fax) SYN II Re: (fax) The Pair Formerly Known As Koolfang Re: (fax) Ambient is Alive. Re: (fax) The Pair Formerly Known As Koolfang Re: (fax) Ambient is Alive. Re: (fax) Ambient is Alive. (fax) octopus (fax) FW: Biosphere in Den Haag 8. June (fax) RE: 4VII (fax) Putney fs (fax) Dark Side Of The Moog IX - Reviewed (fax) RE: I.F Re: (fax) Dark Side Of The Moog IX - Reviewed (fax) Official Tetsu Inoue Homepage -update- May, 2002 (fax) FAX FA on Ebay ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 22:11:47 -0700 (PDT) From: ambient Subject: (fax) Ambient is Alive. - --- Leszek Zabinski wrote: > In this fashion... Much of the Silence and parts of the Air series > are new age. Won't you agree, Scout? > greets, > Leszek. hi leszek, i couldn`t disagree with you more. i`ve heard this comment on this list before and it seams that the only residue quality about the argument are the vocal samples. Telling someone that they are, "the light" does have a spiritual/healing sense to it. Yet, within the context of the the music/sounds/and highly mastered composition of Silence, the argument that it is new age due to the vocal samples is negligible, if not nil. It is what new age music has and ambient doesn`t, which is the fine line, is the lack in use of notes/chords/harmony. getting a synthesizer, hitting a key and spinning the decay or attack knob will create similar sounds between two artists if one is a master of harmany, chords and melody, this will be ambient and if one is not, then there will be another inhabitant of the new age bin, even if both are skilled in musical time and other compositional qualities. (this is somewhat of a general statement) so, to clarify this to the comment you made, the sounds of Silence and Air resonate much deeper and penetrate beyond the surface of the "skin". as this is the level of new age "healing" music....it remains on the body, wanting to be massaged instead of invoking or conjuring within. as this is an opinion that i have made, others will disagree. Hence, the fine line between the two genres. ,scoUt Silence is one of the top 5 Ambient releases of all time, if not number 1, side by side with Air. I have only played Silence five times over the last 8 years and Air a few times more....it`s a dancer and a mover. Beautiful ambient-trance at times. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 12:35:03 -0400 From: apfleischer@mindspring.com Subject: (fax) SYN II Greg-- I've been enjoying SYN II immensely, though one comment made here on this list bemoaned that it was the kind of album Namlook could make in his sleep. All the familiar FAX elements are here--synth washes, quirky percussion loops, well-chosen voice samples, echoey PN guitar, a variety of material, nice track sequencing. The music isn't ground-breaking, but I think it's a nice blend of beats & atmosphere. One of the more "up" FAX CDs I've heard in a while. Basically, I think Namlook is having fun here, especially with the 23-min opener "Toulin-Spirit of the Earth." In case you didn't catch my comments last week on this list, this track opens with electronic breathing or seashore sounds, introduces some playful machine noises & the beat starts up at about 1:00, sounding very much like U2's "Zoo Station." From there, we take an enjoyable, cinematic trip through a sci-fi movie, featuring great voice samples, crowd sounds, lots of rhythmic clanking & whirring & a couple of lovely Namlook guitar interludes. Good toe-tapper & fun to figure out--more accessible & pleasurable than the original harsh SYN from the early daze of FAX music. The second track, "A Meditation on Modern Philosophy," after opening with a PK Dickian question about cyborg soul & humanity, proceeds through 15 minutes of gentle, "Silence"-like washes, punctuated by Eastern/African percussion at about 7 min--very tasty. "Mindlab" follows with a much more solid trance-beat exercise with Jenny Gilbert's voice floating & soaring--very sexy. We end SYN II with three minutes of somewhat-dark chill, though, as the review at 2350.org lamented, it easily could have been another 15-minute piece. Others may yawn, but I'd recommend SYN II highly as a fun (!) FAX CD. This is warm electronic music, even in the darker passages. If you're looking for gloom & doom, look elsewhere. Nice cover art, too. Try it! Andrew F ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 18:41:57 +0200 (MET DST) From: Leszek Zabinski Subject: Re: (fax) Ambient is Alive. Dear Scout, > i`ve heard this comment on this list before and it seams that the > only residue quality about the argument are the vocal samples. > Telling someone that they are, "the light" does have a > spiritual/healing sense to it. Yet, within the context of the the > music/sounds/and highly mastered composition of Silence, the > argument that it is new age due to the vocal samples is negligible, > if not nil. I can't help but notice that this is the most stupid explanation for a genre: "new age due to the vocal samples" and "spiritual healing". Can we agree on this? Ok, the original mail that brought up this thread mentioned some artists and labels. I don't know f.e. about much of the Heart of Space roster and general musical atmosphere of the label, but Robert Rich and Steve Roach music is a territory I am somewhat familiar with. Hence... > It is what new age music has and ambient doesn`t, which is the fine > line, is the lack in use of notes/chords/harmony. ...my veto! If Silence "uses" notes/chords/harmony, then most of the albums from Rich and Roach also do! Magnificent Void, Soma, Strata, Light Fantastic, Cavern of Souls, Stalker (that's the easiest argument) have no notes/chords/harmony? Come on! > if one is a master of harmany, chords and melody, this will be > ambient and if one is not, then there will be another inhabitant of > the new age bin oh really? Then how would you define the music of the following set of artists: Thomas Koner Nurse With Wound (say: "Soliloquy...") Lull notes/chords - very few; melody - hardly; harmony - oh well, there's no music without harmony imo, so this point disqualifies all. Does that make it new age instead of ambient? and what about Eno's concept of ambient as a "wallpaper music", like the colour of air - it's there, but you can't see/notice/hear it? Is Eno the founder of new age (according to your definition)? There's no simple definition of what is ambient/new age or not in my opinion. And to generalize is unwise thing to do. regards, Leszek. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 12:46:24 -0400 From: apfleischer@mindspring.com Subject: (fax) The Pair Formerly Known As Koolfang I notice that many people are very up on Namlook/Moufang's "Wired" from a couple of years back. Can someone tell me what's special about it? I bought "Exploring the Psychedelic Landscape" years ago & think of it as one of the least successful & uninteresting FAX CDs I own--mediocre compositions & an annoying "whoop-whoop" motif that permeates the entire CD. "A Day In The Live" was much better, progressing through the two musicians' day with a variety of sounds & moods. That was an encouraging step for the pair fomerly known as Koolfang. Now everyone is raving about the "Wired" CD. Is it that different tonally or well-considered compositionally? Do they play? Their stuff always seems loose & a bit haphazard. I haven't heard "Retro Rocket" or "Audiolounge" either, but "Wired" seems to be the fan fave. Illuminate me! Andrew F ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 17:53:53 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: Re: (fax) The Pair Formerly Known As Koolfang Andrew Firstly, the Koolfang tag is appropriate (I think) to that cheesy jazz sound that you find on those two discs but, not so much to Move D stuff. >I bought "Exploring the Psychedelic Landscape" years ago & think of it >as one of the least successful & uninteresting FAX CDs I own--mediocre >compositions & an annoying "whoop-whoop" motif that permeates the entire >CD. "A Day In The Live" was much better, progressing through the two >musicians' day with a variety of sounds & moods. I'd more or less agree with this analysis. >Now everyone is raving about the "Wired" CD. Is it that different >tonally or well-considered compositionally? Yes, very much so. A 'mature' work. >I haven't heard "Retro Rocket" or "Audiolounge" either, but "Wired" seems >to be the fan fave. Retro & Lounge imo fall into the same category as Psychedelic L'scape ... fairly pedestrian affairs. Wired (and ADITL) are both exceptional discs, well above the standard of the other three. The most recent, live Move D is a mixed bag... 50% top jolly, 50% filler. Wired is one of Fax's 10 best ever releases in my view. Buy it and you won't regret. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 11:04:09 -0600 (MDT) From: wallace winfrey Subject: Re: (fax) SYN II On Wed, 29 May 2002 apfleischer@mindspring.com wrote: > The second track, "A Meditation on Modern Philosophy," after opening > with a PK Dickian question about cyborg soul & humanity, Maybe this has already been mentioned, but I think this sample is from the anime, "Ghost In the Shell". w ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 13:11:57 -0400 From: apfleischer@mindspring.com Subject: Re: (fax) The Pair Formerly Known As Koolfang Thanks for the reply, Paul. I'm about to place an order with Dave@Ear/Rational. Waiting for him to get in Der Spyra's 3CD "Elevator to Heaven," & wanted to add a FAX or two to the order. Because of your comments, I will add "Wired" to that order. Aside from the 19-min sample on 2350.org, have you an opinion on DSOTM IX? How about "Virtual Vices III"? Thanks & keep listening, Andrew F ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 13:24:29 -0400 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) Ambient is Alive. in my own personal opinion, I have grappled with what the definition of new age would be. I have yet to actually come up with something that could define that word. Even though scout is a friend, I do have to disagree with him about the melody/harmony part. Without melody or harmony, music ceases to excite or furthermore, really exist. What would one call techno music that was melodic? in scouts defense: I agree, there is a fine descriptive line between ambient and new age, however in sound I believe that line is more apparent. I really never thought of Silence as being even close to new age. Silence is deff a very good example of what ambient music is, and not what new age sounds like..... I could go on, but I dont want this to turn into a new age vs ambient thread. We have suffered enough on the ambient list with this silly thread, that seems to go nowhere in the end! kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leszek Zabinski" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 12:41 PM Subject: Re: (fax) Ambient is Alive. > > Dear Scout, > > > > i`ve heard this comment on this list before and it seams that the > > only residue quality about the argument are the vocal samples. > > Telling someone that they are, "the light" does have a > > spiritual/healing sense to it. Yet, within the context of the the > > music/sounds/and highly mastered composition of Silence, the > > argument that it is new age due to the vocal samples is negligible, > > if not nil. > > I can't help but notice that this is the most stupid explanation for a > genre: "new age due to the vocal samples" and "spiritual healing". Can we > agree on this? > > Ok, the original mail that brought up this thread mentioned some artists > and labels. I don't know f.e. about much of the Heart of Space roster and > general musical atmosphere of the label, but Robert Rich and Steve Roach > music is a territory I am somewhat familiar with. Hence... > > > It is what new age music has and ambient doesn`t, which is the fine > > line, is the lack in use of notes/chords/harmony. > > ...my veto! If Silence "uses" notes/chords/harmony, then most of the > albums from Rich and Roach also do! Magnificent Void, Soma, Strata, Light > Fantastic, Cavern of Souls, Stalker (that's the easiest argument) have no > notes/chords/harmony? Come on! > > > if one is a master of harmany, chords and melody, this will be > > ambient and if one is not, then there will be another inhabitant of > > the new age bin > > oh really? Then how would you define the music of the following set of > artists: > > Thomas Koner > Nurse With Wound (say: "Soliloquy...") > Lull > > notes/chords - very few; melody - hardly; > harmony - oh well, there's no music without harmony imo, so this point > disqualifies all. > Does that make it new age instead of ambient? > > and what about Eno's concept of ambient as a "wallpaper music", like the > colour of air - it's there, but you can't see/notice/hear it? Is Eno the > founder of new age (according to your definition)? > > There's no simple definition of what is ambient/new age or not in my > opinion. And to generalize is unwise thing to do. > > > regards, > > Leszek. > > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 18:46:55 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: Re: (fax) The Pair Formerly Known As Koolfang >Aside from the 19-min sample on 2350.org, have you an opinion on DSOTM >IX? How about "Virtual Vices III"? I'll let you know re Moog9 in a day or so. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 14:39:20 -0400 From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: Re: (fax) Ambient is Alive. >>> Ok, the original mail that brought up this thread mentioned some artists and labels. I don't know f.e. about much of the Heart of Space roster and general musical atmosphere of the label, but Robert Rich and Steve Roach music is a territory I am somewhat familiar with. Hence... <<< www.hos.com for info. Some great shows on the radio (NPR), too! Click on the Fathom label for their true ambient titles (though there are some on the HOS label before Fathom was formed) and roster (TUU, Lightwave, Kenneth Newby, Suspended Memories, etc.). Peace. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 14:51:01 -0400 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) Ambient is Alive. there is also a lot of very light sounding albums on HOS, so listen before you ever buy! I have been disappointed many times.... kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: Re: (fax) Ambient is Alive. > >>> Ok, the original mail that brought up this thread mentioned some > artists > and labels. I don't know f.e. about much of the Heart of Space roster and > general musical atmosphere of the label, but Robert Rich and Steve Roach > music is a territory I am somewhat familiar with. Hence... <<< > > www.hos.com for info. Some great shows on the radio (NPR), too! Click on > the Fathom label for their true ambient titles (though there are some on > the HOS label before Fathom was formed) and roster (TUU, Lightwave, > Kenneth Newby, Suspended Memories, etc.). Peace. > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 16:56:54 -0400 From: "seth axelrad" Subject: (fax) octopus I haven't heard much discussion on these discs at all on the list. i got a copy of Octopus 2, and am very impressed. i think the word to describe it would be understated. deep bass, beats, and some warm ambience in the background, and it all progresses rather organically (just feels natural). anyway, i remember years ago reading on the fax website the lyrics/poems to what i think was octopus 4, and i don't recall anything ever coming out of this one... anyone with more info? _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 14:20:24 +1000 From: "andre@sansserif.com.au" Subject: (fax) FW: Biosphere in Den Haag 8. June NEW FORMS FESTIVAL, HOLLAND, 7-8. June 2001 Theater aan het Spui", Spui 187, Den Haag Concerts by Von Magnet, Fennesz, Hazard, Little Axe, Coil, Biosphere, a.o. The festival starts at 21:00 hours CET at both nights. Tickets are 22,50 Euro a night and can be ordered by the "Theater aan het Spui", tel. (31) 070-3465272 or by the "Uitlijn", tel. (31) 0900-0191. - -- Biophon Records Alarmveien 10 9020 TROMSDALEN NORWAY e-mail: biosphere@tromso.online.no biosphere home page: http://www.notam.uio.no/~geirje/ mail order catalogue: http://www.notam.uio.no/~geirje/biophon.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 17:12:14 +1000 From: "electroteque" Subject: (fax) RE: 4VII anymore takers on 4VII , i am interested in a trade i have an offer already , let me know ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 20:27:30 +1200 From: "mcnair" Subject: (fax) Putney fs One copy of the fairly rare Fax title The Putney (pk08/76) for sale if anyone is interested. It's in very good condition but not mint or sealed or anything. Offers? Payment preferred by paypal. Thanks Jamie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 11:24:17 +0100 From: "Paul Milligan" Subject: (fax) Dark Side Of The Moog IX - Reviewed Firstly, a few benchmarks... * Is this better than the eight previous DSOTM discs? ... Definitely. * Is it the best Fax release since Wired? ... Without a doubt. * Is it KS's best work since Are You Sequenced in '96? ... You bet! Pete must have wet himself when Klaus's original DAT arrived in Traben Trarbach (assuming that's how they worked it this time) as this is just about as good as it gets. There is little doubt that it's the KS star which shines most brightly on this release yet full credit must also go to Pete, not only for an excellent production job but, also for some truly illuminating touches of his own. Part One is a 20 minute epic - a fluid, rhythmic groove (reminds me of the Roach/Unis 'Blood Machine' although it's even better) ... this is a tale of 70's analogue sounds, dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century. In fact, it's a death knell for all the struggling bedroom artists who'll never come remotely close to this level of musicianship. Part Two is five minutes of the darkest Moog we've heard thus far, vast and foreboding, I was glad I decided to invest in Bose speakers for my car ... play this one loud. Part Three is some classic Schulzian sequencing (at its very best) interspersed with 'acoustic' sounding percussives and rather nice touches from Namlook who also demonstrates some considerable restraint, unselfishly embracing and enhancing the moment. At less than two minutes Part Four is little more than an interlude but, in keeping with Part Two, a cavernous one that maintains the right balance in mood. Part Five raises yet higher the incredible standard of this release with all the renowned KS elements (chords, sequencing, soloing) packaged in classic 'Fax housestyle'. This track explores powerful rhythmic themes yet, succeeds totally in preserving an all-pervading sense of melancholia. A rare coalescence that makes for compulsive listening. Part Six is effectively an extension of the previous track but, one where the rhythmic lifeforce peaks and then subsides - leaving just the yearning, sublime tones of a final life blood. In this releases one can witness both Klaus as master craftsman and Pete as finely-honed collaborator and producer. Hit the replay button! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 21:38:10 +1000 From: "electroteque" Subject: (fax) RE: I.F hi i am trying to track down I.F - Dr atmo and DSN, anyone interested in selling or trading ? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 08:17:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Hill Subject: Re: (fax) Dark Side Of The Moog IX - Reviewed Is this a new release, I wasn't aware of it?? - --- Paul Milligan wrote: > > Firstly, a few benchmarks... > * Is this better than the eight previous DSOTM > discs? ... Definitely. > * Is it the best Fax release since Wired? ... > Without a doubt. > * Is it KS's best work since Are You Sequenced in > '96? ... You bet! > > Pete must have wet himself when Klaus's original DAT > arrived in > Traben Trarbach (assuming that's how they worked it > this time) > as this is just about as good as it gets. There is > little doubt that > it's the KS star which shines most brightly on this > release yet full > credit must also go to Pete, not only for an > excellent production > job but, also for some truly illuminating touches of > his own. > > Part One is a 20 minute epic - a fluid, rhythmic > groove (reminds > me of the Roach/Unis 'Blood Machine' although it's > even better) > ... this is a tale of 70's analogue sounds, dragged > kicking and > screaming into the 21st century. In fact, it's a > death knell for > all the struggling bedroom artists who'll never come > remotely > close to this level of musicianship. > > Part Two is five minutes of the darkest Moog we've > heard thus far, > vast and foreboding, I was glad I decided to invest > in Bose speakers > for my car ... play this one loud. > > Part Three is some classic Schulzian sequencing (at > its very best) > interspersed with 'acoustic' sounding percussives > and rather nice > touches from Namlook who also demonstrates some > considerable > restraint, unselfishly embracing and enhancing the > moment. > > At less than two minutes Part Four is little more > than an interlude > but, in keeping with Part Two, a cavernous one that > maintains the > right balance in mood. > > Part Five raises yet higher the incredible standard > of this release > with all the renowned KS elements (chords, > sequencing, soloing) > packaged in classic 'Fax housestyle'. This track > explores powerful > rhythmic themes yet, succeeds totally in preserving > an all-pervading > sense of melancholia. A rare coalescence that makes > for compulsive > listening. > > Part Six is effectively an extension of the previous > track but, one > where the rhythmic lifeforce peaks and then subsides > - leaving just > the yearning, sublime tones of a final life blood. > > In this releases one can witness both Klaus as > master craftsman and > Pete as finely-honed collaborator and producer. Hit > the replay button! > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 12:23:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Phonaut Subject: (fax) Official Tetsu Inoue Homepage -update- May, 2002 The discography and news sections have been updated with all the info for the new release "Humming Bird Feeder, Ver0.2" This is a collaboration effort with Stephen Vitiello and fellow field tracker Andrew Deutsch on the Spanish label Lucky Kitchen. relevant links: http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/tetsu http://www.luckykitchen.com/ http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=B0a8gtq1zmu46 Stephen Vitiello discography: Bright And Dusty Things, 2002 (New Albion) Scratchy Marimba, 2000 (Sulfur U.S./Sulphur U.K.) Uitti/Vitiello, with Frances-Marie Uitti, 2000 Fantastic Prayers, CD ROM in collaboration with Constance De Jong and Tony Oursler, 2000 (Dia Center for the Arts and Prop Foundation) Sounds Building in the Fading Light, 2000 (Creamgardens) Uitti/Vitiello, 1999 (JDK Productions) The Light of Falling Cars, 1998 (JDK Productions) Chairs Not Stairs, 1996 (Stephen Vitiello) Enredando as Pessoas (Intriguing People), 1995 (EMVIDEO) - - - - - - - - n/p np- Biosphere "Insomnia - original soundtrack" . . . . . . ..... . . . . . . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 18:09:58 -0400 (EDT) From: alan r lucas Subject: (fax) FAX FA on Ebay hi there. well, we went and bought a house. sadly, i need to get rid of some stuff to free up some a) cash, and b) space. therefore, i'm auctioning some stuff on eBay, including lots of FAX stuff. i'll be adding all kinds of stuff in the next few weeks, so keep checking to find more stuff you might want. reasonable prices, and no reserve. http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=alucas@telerama.com thanks for looking! cheers, alan obFAX: definitely won't be getting rid of JCIII. man, what a great album. so laid back and jazzy, at times. ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2002 #90 ******************************* --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org