From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2002 #92 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Monday, June 3 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 092 RE: (fax) DSOTM III (any thoughts) Re: (fax) Fax tenth anniversary OT Re: (fax) Ambient is Alive. (fax) OT raw ambient, with a little new age sprinkeled on top (fax) 1990-1993, the waning ambient scene Re: (fax) The Pair Formerly Known As Koolfang (fax) moveD-namlook VII Re: (fax) moveD-namlook VII, are they finally resonating?? Re: (fax) OT raw ambient, with a little new age sprinkeled on top (fax) Air IV (fax) speedyj live on the net, this wednesday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 21:51:14 +1000 From: "Sebastian Pucilowski" Subject: RE: (fax) DSOTM III (any thoughts) Its much more wondering and "dronish" than IV. Although its very nice, its much more ambient than any of the DSoTM's released so far. Very few beats... Sebastian Pucilowski - -----Original Message----- From: owner-faxlist@2350.org [mailto:owner-faxlist@2350.org] On Behalf Of jackthetab Sent: Saturday, 1 June 2002 2:22 AM To: FAX-E Subject: (fax) DSOTM III (any thoughts) any thoughts on this release? I did happen to like the first DSOTM and IV, would III be in the same realm? kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax + www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 18:31:59 +0200 From: Caspar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Str=F6m?= Subject: Re: (fax) Fax tenth anniversary At 11:45 2002-06-01 +0200, you wrote: >I apologise if this has already been discussed on the list - in which case >forget it, but it occurred to me this morning as I was listening to Silence >that this album and hence Fax also will be ten years old this year. > >I was thinking it would be good if we, the members of the faxlist do >something together to celebrate this milestone. I know in the past we have >had the world fax listening days a couple of years back orgainised I think >by Noah, but is there >someway we could get together? Ideas anyone? > >Rich Yes. The fax IRC channel is still open. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 23:04:16 -0700 (PDT) From: ambient Subject: OT Re: (fax) Ambient is Alive. Dear --- Leszek Zabinski wrote: > > I can't help but notice that this is the most stupid explanation > for a > genre: "new age due to the vocal samples" and "spiritual healing". > Can we > agree on this? like i mentioned...this was the argument that i paraphrased that statement from.... it was OTHER persons that said Silence was newage because of the vocals, not me... > albums from Rich and Roach also do! Magnificent Void, Soma, > Strata, Light > Fantastic, Cavern of Souls, Stalker (that's the easiest argument) > have no > notes/chords/harmony? Come on! to me, there is something off with the keys that they use...they don`t hit the right chords... (minus Stalker...i havent heard this one...) > > oh really? Then how would you define the music of the following > set of > artists: > Thomas Koner amazing!! he is the master of drone and layers....his textures are par no other... (minus, which i have and this is elemetary!) why, for instance that i recommend to andre for the set of works to submit to namlook...that he word with koner... > Nurse With Wound (say: "Soliloquy...") apologizes...dont know much from them.. > Lull only had one release a while back...only memory that it was boring... > > > and what about Eno's concept of ambient as a "wallpaper music", > like the > colour of air - it's there, but you can't see/notice/hear it? Is > Eno the > founder of new age (according to your definition)? Sorry, i DO not support Eno as the founder of ambient... read my ambient@hyperreal posts for support on this arguement... it is Eric Satie who is more a founder than mr. eno... eno just glamorized it..., that is all > > There's no simple definition of what is ambient/new age or not in > my > opinion. Agreed...as is this discussion between the two of us shows that undefinable fine line >And to generalize is unwise thing to do. hence, why i try to seperate the two.... > regards, > > Leszek. and regards, scoUt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 23:20:45 -0700 (PDT) From: ambient Subject: (fax) OT raw ambient, with a little new age sprinkeled on top - --- Paul Milligan wrote: The one common thread appears > to be the > fact that not many people want to associate the artists they > admire with > being "new age". very true Paul, there is a sickening feeling with this association... nonetheless, i must admit that the No. 1 ambient artist has this association; Pete himself...with some moments in the Y&T series..and even some some moments with the seasons series (Excluding Autumn which is the best "ambient" season and belongs in the Air Series and should be swapped with the god awful Air IV, which has that new age quality for sure) ..but, i will stop there! thank you apologizes for the bandwidth !! And as the other suggest...this discussion is covered very indepthly on the hyperreal.org list has become a great source of 50/50 new age ambient discussion... good luck weeding the garden when it rains! ,scoUt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 23:52:22 -0700 (PDT) From: ambient Subject: (fax) 1990-1993, the waning ambient scene with this discussion.... - --- Paul Milligan wrote: > More to the point ... > > is musicianship (generally) on the wane? i am thinking in the scenario of; life in 1990-1993 where the artists forms labels and closly held relations and the torch together...not just namlook, atom, atmo, but air liquid, sun electric, etc. and other outside that circle and proximatey. whereas quick associations lead me quickly to living at raves instead of living on the computer looking for good music as is the reverse these days.... and... these days...it seam that the ego has stronger horns and the root chakra reigns and good artists like Vladislav Delay, aphex, etc..who had some nice releases...but, instead of creatings associations with other...in one way never wanting to admit that they have peers in the scene and wanting instead to have "lessor" more condensendable relationships???? everyone wants to headline. and artists relate themselves to the lowest common marketing denominator such as "my music sounds like aphex and boards with a little autechtre mixed in!" like hell it does...i listen and there is no similarity at all...and btw, these artists are mediocre at best, save one or two release at most in their past... i suppose this is the "comedown effect like drug taking" once you constuct an idol, they fall like dominos, like deteroiorating stones washed away by storms... what goes up, must come down?? speaking of drug taking,...i took some really beautiful ecstasy over the weekend with my girlfriend and listented to Gas - Klondi??? (kinda dark in the middle..., yet very nice) Biosphere - Substrata (of course, very nice) ,scoUt NP Move D/Namlook = Live In Heidelberg 2001 NP Move D/Namlook = Live In Heidelberg 2001 ladies and gentlemen, listen to this one again, IT IS A Classic...it beats Wired!! NP Move D/Namlook = Live In Heidelberg 2001 NP Move D/Namlook = Live In Heidelberg 2001 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 00:06:55 -0700 (PDT) From: ambient Subject: Re: (fax) The Pair Formerly Known As Koolfang - --- apfleischer@mindspring.com wrote: > I notice that many people are very up on Namlook/Moufang's "Wired" > from > CD. "A Day In The Live" was much better, progressing All great, Wire, LIve and in the Day.... i am lucky enough to have the full LP of this on fax) :-) * Move D/Namlook - A Day in the Live! [12"] - PK 08/128 > haphazard. I haven't heard "Retro Rocket" or "Audiolounge" >either, I, bow in silence, as i admit that these two releases are in my top 10 LEAST favorite Fax releases.... (along side the AMPs, I and II) minus the moment where Pete on Retro where he revisits "eternal spirit" from 4voice..... and the the cover of Audiolounge should be a desk not a lush couch.... http://www.2350.org/pk152/artwork my vote for the biggest mismatch of music to art :-( ,scoUt np: Move D/Namlook VI - Live in Heidelberg 2001 - PK 08/160 yet, realise...this is more jazz than chill...groovy though.. http://www.2350.org/pk160/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 17:34:35 +1000 From: "andre@sansserif.com.au" Subject: (fax) moveD-namlook VII just had the order for a new cover... - --> moveD-namlook VII they've got a tough act to follow after Wired and Live... sansserifgrafik andre ruello - junior vice president ph. 0414 611 635 - ICQ 63904680 - http://www.sansserif.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 00:54:17 -0700 (PDT) From: ambient Subject: Re: (fax) moveD-namlook VII, are they finally resonating?? I believe so.... - --- "andre@sansserif.com.au" wrote: > just had the order for a new cover... > --> moveD-namlook VII > they've got a tough act to follow after Wired and Live... Certainly do. just finishing a listen to Live...and I am realizing the difference between Wired and Live: Both great as, Live is everything great rolled in one..jazz/downtempo/mild techno..and a little ambient thrown in for spice... Yet, Wired is all of the above yet has much more of a chilled out feel to it....from active/jazz and the above to mello/chill/ambient :-) so, play wired when you wanna "come down" and live in H when you are already down and wanna groove a little... ,scoUt PS ....Realizze this opinion is from someone who goes to rave festivals, takes mushrooms, peyote, salvia, e, Hates New age anything, except the movement. I wanna move. except when i listen to Mixmaster and i wanna "lie down and be counted!" anyone know where this quote is from??? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 10:27:10 +0100 From: "Rich" Subject: Re: (fax) OT raw ambient, with a little new age sprinkeled on top I'd always thought that the closest PK ever got to 'New Age' was that Rainbow Warrior stuff, before he set up FAX... Apologies if I'm wrong. I also remember an article where he stated that he was not New Age, in fact he said he wasn't an Ambient Artists either, he just felt happier in that category... Rich arkive@btopenworld.com www.geocities.com/arkive2097 http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/393/arkive.html - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ambient" To: "Paul Milligan" ; Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 7:20 AM Subject: (fax) OT raw ambient, with a little new age sprinkeled on top | Pete himself...with some moments in the Y&T series..and even some | some moments with the seasons series (Excluding Autumn which is the | best "ambient" season and belongs in the Air Series and should be | swapped with the god awful Air IV, which has that new age quality | for sure) ..but, i will stop there! thank you ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 04:31:59 -0700 (PDT) From: ambient Subject: (fax) Air IV no, my apologies i haven`t played it in ages...but, there was something about AIR IV that i thought sounded very "world" like and just didn`t think it belonged in the series...it has been so long since i played that release i will play it again to recall just what it was that i felt was off. ,scoUt - --- Rich wrote: > I'd always thought that the closest PK ever got to 'New Age' was > that > Rainbow Warrior stuff, before he set up FAX... Apologies if I'm > wrong. I > also remember an article where he stated that he was not New Age, > in fact he > said he wasn't an Ambient Artists either, he just felt happier in > that > category... > > Rich > arkive@btopenworld.com > www.geocities.com/arkive2097 > http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/393/arkive.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ambient" > To: "Paul Milligan" ; > > Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 7:20 AM > Subject: (fax) OT raw ambient, with a little new age sprinkeled on > top > > > | Pete himself...with some moments in the Y&T series..and even > some > | some moments with the seasons series (Excluding Autumn which is > the > | best "ambient" season and belongs in the Air Series and should > be > | swapped with the god awful Air IV, which has that new age > quality > | for sure) ..but, i will stop there! thank you > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 00:07:31 +1000 From: "andre@sansserif.com.au" Subject: (fax) speedyj live on the net, this wednesday speedyj live on the net, this wednesday night. dutch time.. streaming in realvideo + realaudio.. check it out::: http://pages.vpro.nl/3voor12/shows/clublek/index.shtml?2534202+3122274+31088 80 sansserifgrafik andre ruello - junior vice president ph. 0414 611 635 - ICQ 63904680 - http://www.sansserif.com.au ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2002 #92 ******************************* --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org