From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2003 #3 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Friday, January 3 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 3 (fax) Those dubious releases RE: (fax) Those dubious releases Re: (fax) Those dubious releases Re: (fax) Those dubious releases Re: (fax) Those dubious releases RE: (fax) Those dubious releases RE: (fax) Nostalgia > worst release? Re: (fax) Those dubious releases Re: (fax) Nostalgia > worst release? Re: (fax) Those dubious releases (fax) Namlook Interview Re: (fax) Namlook Interview Re: (fax) Namlook Interview Re: (fax) Namlook Interview (fax) Re: Nostalgia? Re: (fax) Nostalgia? Re: (fax) Nostalgia? Re: (fax) Nostalgia? - worst FAX Re: (fax) Nostalgia? - worst FAX Re: (fax) Nostalgia? - worst FAX RE: (fax) Nostalgia? - worst FAX Re: (fax) Nostalgia? (fax) RE: OT - SH101 on Ebay (fax) Re: Fires Of Ork II RE: (fax) Re: Fires Of Ork II Re: (fax) Re: Fires Of Ork II Re: (fax) Re: Fires Of Ork II ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 11:51:22 +0000 From: Paul Milligan Subject: (fax) Those dubious releases >>> speaking of Namlook III ... > No, in fact not. My rating would be 9/10 and I have a friend > who likes it very much, too, although he is a typical Tori Amos fan. Hellmuth I really quite like it when someone really digs something I can't stand or vica-versa as it makes for a more interesting discussion after all. I thought Nam III was experimental slop but it obviously does something for you (and friend) so it's clearly not as worthless as my 1/10 rating might have others believe. On similar topic what do you consider to be the Fax release which most spectacularly failed to live up to expectations? I'd have to say Second Nature ... look at who was involved and yet, it's just plain boring! Incidentally, when I looked back over my own ratings I realised that of those titles which I'd re-rated since version 3, two thirds had gone up in my estimation. Evidence, for me at least, that Fax stands the test of time. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:59:14 -0000 From: Richard Hughes Subject: RE: (fax) Those dubious releases >>On similar topic what do you consider to be the Fax release which most spectacularly failed to live up to expectations? I'd have to say Second Nature ... I think this could really have been a lot more dynamic also, but a bigger disappointment for me was Shades 3 given the two previous volumes. Others that left me somewhat miffed given the artists involved were Audiolounge and Cymatic Scan although I'm sure others will beg to differ. - -----Original Message----- From: Paul Milligan [mailto:paulmilligan@georgiadesign.com] Sent: 03 January 2003 12:51 To: msg_matucana Cc: faxlist@2350.org Subject: (fax) Those dubious releases >>> speaking of Namlook III ... > No, in fact not. My rating would be 9/10 and I have a friend who likes > it very much, too, although he is a typical Tori Amos fan. Hellmuth I really quite like it when someone really digs something I can't stand or vica-versa as it makes for a more interesting discussion after all. I thought Nam III was experimental slop but it obviously does something for you (and friend) so it's clearly not as worthless as my 1/10 rating might have others believe. On similar topic what do you consider to be the Fax release which most spectacularly failed to live up to expectations? I'd have to say Second Nature ... look at who was involved and yet, it's just plain boring! Incidentally, when I looked back over my own ratings I realised that of those titles which I'd re-rated since version 3, two thirds had gone up in my estimation. Evidence, for me at least, that Fax stands the test of time. - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax + www.2350.org *************************************************************************** The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee and access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken, or omitted to be taken, in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to our clients, any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing client contract. **************************************************************************** ********************************************************************** This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.eclipsecomputing.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:28:24 +0100 From: "msg_matucana" Subject: Re: (fax) Those dubious releases Hi Paul and all others, > On similar topic what do you consider to be the Fax release which most > spectacularly failed to live up to expectations? I'd have to say Second > Nature ... look at who was involved and yet, it's just plain boring! Yes, there are several releases I am quite disappointed with: DSOTM2 of course ;-), Second nature, Time^2, Jet chamber 4+5, Fires of Ork 2. Occasionally I find one piece on a release rather misplaced. The most often mentioned example of this would be Ozoona, but I think "The hunt" is not far off the other pieces. The drums are just quicker. My "favourites" in that category (with the LAPSUS in parentheses): worst: - - Silence 2 (Faith) - - Virtual vices 2 (2nd level distance) bad, but mangeable: - - Silence (Trip) - - Datacide 2 (Head dance) - - Shades of Orion 3 (Betelgeuzian Ritual) Hellmuth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 05:00:31 -0800 From: "sanvara" Subject: Re: (fax) Those dubious releases > Yes, there are several releases I am quite disappointed with: DSOTM2 > of course ;-), Second nature, Time^2, Jet chamber 4+5, Fires of Ork 2. Fires of Ork II is great. I give it an 8/10 and I give the first track a 10/10. I think Second Nature is a very subtle work and it works well as background music - not as active listening music. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 13:40:43 +0000 From: Paul Milligan Subject: Re: (fax) Those dubious releases > I think Second Nature is a very subtle work and it works well as background > music - not as active listening music. Albeit a spirited defense this also sounds kind of like a spot of euphemistic agreement. Contrast S/Nature with say Laswell's CyScan, an even more subtle work but one which demands active listening (rec headphones) to register its subtleties. Just before someone mentioned they don't rate CyScan but I feel it's far more successful than other similar Fax works, such as AH's Live @ Sel ... or BL's somewhat over-rated Outer Dark, maybe because it seems 'warmer'? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:49:23 -0000 From: Richard Hughes Subject: RE: (fax) Those dubious releases >>AH's Live @ Sel ... Until last week I had only listened to this twice I think since I picked it up at a Virgin Megastore in Birmingham in 95 or 96. I was pleasantly surprised however when I put it on that it wasn't as bad as I remembered. Hmmmm.. is it the music that has matured or perhaps my tastes... But as ever I suspect much has to do with the mood/environment/company I am in when I put some of this stuff on. - -----Original Message----- From: Paul Milligan [mailto:paulmilligan@georgiadesign.com] Sent: 03 January 2003 14:41 To: faxlist@2350.org Subject: Re: (fax) Those dubious releases > I think Second Nature is a very subtle work and it works well as > background music - not as active listening music. Albeit a spirited defense this also sounds kind of like a spot of euphemistic agreement. Contrast S/Nature with say Laswell's CyScan, an even more subtle work but one which demands active listening (rec headphones) to register its subtleties. Just before someone mentioned they don't rate CyScan but I feel it's far more successful than other similar Fax works, such as AH's Live @ Sel ... or BL's somewhat over-rated Outer Dark, maybe because it seems 'warmer'? - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax + www.2350.org *************************************************************************** The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee and access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken, or omitted to be taken, in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. 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Sebastian Pucilowski - -----Original Message----- From: owner-faxlist@2350.org [mailto:owner-faxlist@2350.org] On Behalf Of Richard Hughes Sent: Friday, 3 January 2003 9:55 PM To: 'msg_matucana'; * Faxlist Subject: RE: (fax) Nostalgia > worst release? >>BTW: the worst Fax release I know is DSOTM 2, IMHO. I actually quite like this and certainly prefer it to Vol 3. although it's true the first 30 mins are a bit of a drag. Namlook III I carefully re-listened to a couple of times over Christmas and even after recent appraisals I still feel it lacks direction. My *least listened to* releases (whether this means they are poor albums I don't know) are Elektro II, New Consciousness 2 (nowhere near as good as the first) and Audiolounge. - -----Original Message----- From: msg_matucana [mailto:msg@matucana.de] Sent: 03 January 2003 11:51 To: * Faxlist Subject: Re: (fax) Nostalgia? Hi Paul, > > speaking of Namlook III ... > > I can only imagine that interest in this one stems from the fact that > its origin is the heady early days. No, in fact not. My rating would be 9/10 and I have a friend who likes it very much, too, although he is a typical Tori Amos fan. III lies between the 'normal' Fax releases and the bleepy, glitchy stuff of some e.g. Deupree, Inoue, or Tilliander releases. I really like it! Perhaps I should write another review ;-) BTW: the worst Fax release I know is DSOTM 2, IMHO. Hellmuth - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax + www.2350.org ************************************************************************ *** The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee and access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken, or omitted to be taken, in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to our clients, any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing client contract. ************************************************************************ **** ********************************************************************** This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.eclipsecomputing.com ********************************************************************** - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax + www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:49:53 +0100 From: "msg_matucana" Subject: Re: (fax) Those dubious releases > Fires of Ork II is great. I give it an 8/10 and I give the first track a > 10/10. I can see your point. However, I like Fires of Ork 1 much better - the dark and somehow disharmonic feel, combined with the rhythm, sound almost perfect to me. I do not say that FOO 2 is bad - I just had very high expectations. Well, one exception, "Sky lounge", which is one of the mistakes, too stickingly sweet for me (press skip). So, I would rate FOO1 9.5/10 and FOO 2 7/10. Hellmuth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:03:11 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: (fax) Nostalgia > worst release? In a message dated 1/3/03 8:16:19 AM Central Standard Time, lordsaba@softhome.net writes: << I recently reviewed Elektro 2 again, I think its really something rather special. http://www.2350.org/pk126/ Do take another look at it? Sebastian Pucilowski >> I agree with you Sebastian...Elektro 2 is a overlooked gem...much different than 1, which is a teutonic stormer (and rather likable)...i feel that Elektro 2 has filmic qualities...i like the way it builds up... RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 15:24:43 +0000 From: Paul Milligan Subject: Re: (fax) Those dubious releases > I do not say that FOO 2 is bad - I just had very high expectations. I think Hellmuth has the point here. Some releases create unusually high expectation by nature of what has gone before, be it the artist(s) work generally, or the specific project(s). That's why I nominated Second Nature and, based on the 2 tracks I've heard from FOO 2 it's definitely NOT in the league of the first Ork. Maybe Pete should have given it a different title; after all it doesn't have any real connection (musically) with the original... I suspect it was simply a marketing ploy, sorry to sound cynical. > So, I would rate FOO1 9.5/10 and FOO 2 7/10. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 15:45:33 +0000 From: "Dean Clarke" Subject: (fax) Namlook Interview Just to let you know, my interview with Peter Namlook has now been posted on www.barcodezine.com. I hope you like it. by the way, top marks for the faxhead from Belgium to name check A Split Second...etc. I lived on industrial music for years, with Brian Eno and Harold Budd to balance it all out. Who out there remembers NewBeat? I think I went to all the Nitzer Ebb and Sheep on Drugs concerts in London. Oh those were the days....... Deano242 _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:25:18 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: (fax) Namlook Interview In a message dated 1/3/03 9:45:52 AM Central Standard Time, deano242@hotmail.com writes: << Just to let you know, my interview with Peter Namlook has now been posted on www.barcodezine.com. I hope you like it.>>> thank you! nice job! by the way, top marks for the faxhead from Belgium to name check A Split Second...etc. I lived on industrial music for years, with Brian Eno and Harold Budd to balance it all out.>>> hahaha me too...with a little Klaus Schulze thrown in... i remember seeing Front 242 in Chicago and here in St. Louis...rocked my world! although i was stunned at their bad taste in women after the show (big bleached blonde hair..sleazy stripper types)..also saw Revco a few times...Thrill Kill Kult..Meat Beat Manifesto..A Split Second (Mambo Witch and Colosseum Crash were huge here), Skinny Puppy (whose live shows were always harrowing experiences!) Twitch/Land of Rape & Honey-era Ministry, and Severed Heads! (who were really nice chaps)..but Nitzer Ebb ruled the school! (even though they really only ripped off DAF).... Who out there remembers NewBeat?>>>> but of course! it existed for a short time and was the bridge between industrial dance and the acid house explosion...there were some crummy New Beat tracks but a some really great ones as well! check the BLEEP tracks (which is of course our man Biosphere: Geir Jenssen) like Bite of AMC...Sure Be Glad When You're Dead...i loved his little group too: SSR (Sampler's Sans Reproach)..Frank DeWulf churned out some kick-ass New Beat tracks as well....hell, now that i think of it, there were some REALLY cool tracks from the New Beat era..some random thoughts: Fantasia..Busy Zeee..Airplane Crashers...Concrete Beat...Beat Dis..Rock to the Beat... I think I went to all the Nitzer Ebb and Sheep on Drugs concerts in London. Oh those were the days.......>>> ahh yes they were my friend! 1985- 1995 was a good run.....took years off my life! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:28:45 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: (fax) Namlook Interview In a message dated 1/3/03 10:25:50 AM Central Standard Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: << Who out there remembers NewBeat?>>>> >> and by the way, about 3 months ago, i picked up a bunch the New Beat A-B Sounds compilation cds for $1 a piece ! they were in some clearance bins...think i'll make a cd-r of the best bits and rock out this weekend! i'll let you guys know what i put on it..might bring back some fun memories! RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:02:53 -0500 From: MuzikJunky Subject: Re: (fax) Namlook Interview > Who out there remembers New Beat? I do! There was an album on Wing/PolyGram (USA) back in 1989 called "This is the New Beat," and I actually returned it! I hated it, although I'd probably like it today. There were some hot remixes of some of the tracks that were circulating on vinyl at the time, too. My overall disappointment was that I was expecting Chicago-style house music, and I got Euro-glam dance music instead--but the Chicago influence was there. Ironically, there was an article about Belgian new beat in a recent Sunday edition of the New York Times. The article is so recent that you might not have to pay to read it on-line. Peace. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:55:14 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: (fax) Re: Nostalgia? I dont know....I think Namlook III is MUCH better than the AMP I and II releases. kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Milligan" To: "jackthetab" Cc: Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 4:28 AM Subject: Nostalgia? > > > speaking of Namlook III ... > > I can only imagine that interest in this one stems from the > fact that its origin is the heady early days. > > Fax Galleria will be putting up the latest version of my > personal rating guide within the next day or so (version 4) > and this one remains, still, the only Fax title I've ever > given 1/10. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:56:44 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) Nostalgia? Dont say that. I still have this sealed, and have not listened to it.....I was rather excited to get it for $10 kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "msg_matucana" To: "* Faxlist" Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 5:51 AM Subject: Re: (fax) Nostalgia? > Hi Paul, > > > > speaking of Namlook III ... > > > > I can only imagine that interest in this one stems from the > > fact that its origin is the heady early days. > > No, in fact not. My rating would be 9/10 and I have a friend > who likes it very much, too, although he is a typical Tori Amos fan. > III lies between the 'normal' Fax releases and the bleepy, glitchy stuff > of some e.g. Deupree, Inoue, or Tilliander releases. > > I really like it! Perhaps I should write another review ;-) > BTW: the worst Fax release I know is DSOTM 2, IMHO. > > Hellmuth > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:10:35 -0700 (MST) From: wallace winfrey Subject: Re: (fax) Nostalgia? > BTW: the worst Fax release I know is DSOTM 2, IMHO My vote goes to Houdini. w ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:26:04 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) Nostalgia? - worst FAX I am always suprised that when this topic comes up that no one seems to mention the Amp series. I believe that this is by far the worst sounding FAX material. Also, Namlook XI ranks right down there with the Amp series. Namlook XI is so directionless, and too experimental. I mean I love experimental music quite a bit (since I create it myself), but this is just pathetic. The Elektro series is a little lackluster as well, but not nearly as bad as the above. kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:41:37 -0800 (PST) From: John Whitney Subject: Re: (fax) Nostalgia? - worst FAX for me it was alien community 1 & 2... bleep bloop bleep... w/ drum machines clattering directionlessly the whole way. just my opinion! john ===== John Whitney http://johnwhitneymusic.tripod.com/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:43:55 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) Nostalgia? - worst FAX try using some lsd and listen to Alien Community 2, then let me know if you still feel the same way :-) kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Whitney" To: "jackthetab" ; Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 2:41 PM Subject: Re: (fax) Nostalgia? - worst FAX > for me it was alien community 1 & 2... bleep bloop > bleep... w/ drum machines clattering directionlessly > the whole way. just my opinion! > > john > > ===== > John Whitney > http://johnwhitneymusic.tripod.com/ > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:59:12 -0500 From: daniel Subject: RE: (fax) Nostalgia? - worst FAX my worst 2 are 4 voice II and DSOTM I >===== Original Message From "jackthetab" ===== >try using some lsd and listen to Alien Community 2, >then let me know if you still feel the same way :-) > >kunst und wahnsinn, > jackthetab > > #####\ _ /##### > #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# > ##### | /_woof/ | ##### > #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# > # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # > #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# > #####/ ######/ \###### \##### >/_______________________________________\ > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Whitney" >To: "jackthetab" ; >Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 2:41 PM >Subject: Re: (fax) Nostalgia? - worst FAX > > >> for me it was alien community 1 & 2... bleep bloop >> bleep... w/ drum machines clattering directionlessly >> the whole way. just my opinion! >> >> john >> >> ===== >> John Whitney >> http://johnwhitneymusic.tripod.com/ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >> http://mailplus.yahoo.com >> >> > >--- >+ To post: ; to mail a person: >+ To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to >+ Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 20:05:53 -0000 From: "David Calvert" Subject: Re: (fax) Nostalgia? Not your traditional Fax I'll agree but I really like Houdini ... especially the first track. The Fax I most dislike has to be "New Composers - Smart" which was a massive disappointment to me. - ----- Original Message ----- From: wallace winfrey To: Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 7:10 PM Subject: Re: (fax) Nostalgia? > > BTW: the worst Fax release I know is DSOTM 2, IMHO > > My vote goes to Houdini. > > w > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:04:37 -0500 From: daniel Subject: (fax) RE: OT - SH101 on Ebay anyone interested i have my 101 up on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1289&item=934770763&rd=1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:08:15 -0800 From: "sanvara" Subject: (fax) Re: Fires Of Ork II > I think Hellmuth has the point here. Some releases create unusually > high expectation by nature of what has gone before, be it the artist(s) > work generally, or the specific project(s). That's why I nominated > Second Nature and, based on the 2 tracks I've heard from FOO 2 it's > definitely NOT in the league of the first Ork. Maybe Pete should > have given it a different title; after all it doesn't have any > real connection (musically) with the original... I suspect it was > simply a marketing ploy, sorry to sound cynical. You really should listen to the whole release rather than just a couple tracks before making pronouncements about deceptive marketing ploys. The majority of Fires of Ork II actually follows the same path of the first release on a stylistic level. To say it has no connection musically and a marketing ploy is a really bizarre train of thought. Three of the five tracks on the second release sound like they could have been recorded in the same session as the first release. "In Heaven" is a little bit of a departure from the overall style of the project but it doesn't feel too out of place and it's so damn good I welcome it with open arms. The only track that is really holding Fires of Ork II back from being great from start to finish is "Sky Lounge". It's not horrible, but it's just not as compelling as the other tracks. I would rate the first release a 9/10 and the second release an 8/10. Fires of Ork II is not quite as much of a classic as the first one but it's not far off. Take away "Sky Lounge" and replace it with something as good as the other tracks on Fires of Ork II and the second release is right there with the first. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 18:14:36 -0500 From: daniel Subject: RE: (fax) Re: Fires Of Ork II the last track is a killer for playing on huge sound systems for a morning set >===== Original Message From "sanvara" ===== >> I think Hellmuth has the point here. Some releases create unusually >> high expectation by nature of what has gone before, be it the artist(s) >> work generally, or the specific project(s). That's why I nominated >> Second Nature and, based on the 2 tracks I've heard from FOO 2 it's >> definitely NOT in the league of the first Ork. Maybe Pete should >> have given it a different title; after all it doesn't have any >> real connection (musically) with the original... I suspect it was >> simply a marketing ploy, sorry to sound cynical. > >You really should listen to the whole release rather than just a couple >tracks before making pronouncements about deceptive marketing ploys. The >majority of Fires of Ork II actually follows the same path of the first >release on a stylistic level. To say it has no connection musically and a >marketing ploy is a really bizarre train of thought. Three of the five >tracks on the second release sound like they could have been recorded in the >same session as the first release. "In Heaven" is a little bit of a >departure from the overall style of the project but it doesn't feel too out >of place and it's so damn good I welcome it with open arms. The only track >that is really holding Fires of Ork II back from being great from start to >finish is "Sky Lounge". It's not horrible, but it's just not as compelling >as the other tracks. I would rate the first release a 9/10 and the second >release an 8/10. Fires of Ork II is not quite as much of a classic as the >first one but it's not far off. Take away "Sky Lounge" and replace it with >something as good as the other tracks on Fires of Ork II and the second >release is right there with the first. > > >--- >+ To post: ; to mail a person: >+ To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to >+ Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:19:30 -0800 (PST) From: John Whitney Subject: Re: (fax) Re: Fires Of Ork II ha ha! i think sky lounge is the best track on there! funny how opinions differ. furthermore, i actually like II better than I. I just sounds like dated trance to me... jeeze i feel so out of step! oh well... john - --- sanvara wrote: > > I think Hellmuth has the point here. Some releases > create unusually > > high expectation by nature of what has gone > before, be it the artist(s) > > work generally, or the specific project(s). That's > why I nominated > > Second Nature and, based on the 2 tracks I've > heard from FOO 2 it's > > definitely NOT in the league of the first Ork. > Maybe Pete should > > have given it a different title; after all it > doesn't have any > > real connection (musically) with the original... I > suspect it was > > simply a marketing ploy, sorry to sound cynical. > > You really should listen to the whole release rather > than just a couple > tracks before making pronouncements about deceptive > marketing ploys. The > majority of Fires of Ork II actually follows the > same path of the first > release on a stylistic level. To say it has no > connection musically and a > marketing ploy is a really bizarre train of thought. > Three of the five > tracks on the second release sound like they could > have been recorded in the > same session as the first release. "In Heaven" is a > little bit of a > departure from the overall style of the project but > it doesn't feel too out > of place and it's so damn good I welcome it with > open arms. The only track > that is really holding Fires of Ork II back from > being great from start to > finish is "Sky Lounge". It's not horrible, but it's > just not as compelling > as the other tracks. I would rate the first release > a 9/10 and the second > release an 8/10. Fires of Ork II is not quite as > much of a classic as the > first one but it's not far off. Take away "Sky > Lounge" and replace it with > something as good as the other tracks on Fires of > Ork II and the second > release is right there with the first. > > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ===== John Whitney http://johnwhitneymusic.tripod.com/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:44:01 -0800 From: "sanvara" Subject: Re: (fax) Re: Fires Of Ork II > ha ha! i think sky lounge is the best track on there! > funny how opinions differ. furthermore, i actually > like II better than I. I just sounds like dated > trance to me... jeeze i feel so out of step! oh > well... Don't worry about what you think being out of step. The opinions on this list are very often insulated, colored by individual bias, and are representative of only a few people, not an overall consensus as some might try to have you believe. A number of people here rave about PS releases above all others when they are the worst sellers across the board. It was the poor sales of those releases that caused Fax to lose a primary distributor and and almost shut down the label. Hey, maybe if we played the two Fires of Ork CDs to 100 people at random others would agree with you about Sky Lounge being the best track and Fires of Ork II being the better release. I do think Fires of Ork II has a little bit of a fresher sound to it and I could see some people liking it better. ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2003 #3 ******************************** --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org