From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2003 #11 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Tuesday, January 14 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 11 (fax) nu age Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls review Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls review (fax) Synth Music Direct Re: (fax) Synth Music Direct Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls review Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Paulsreview Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Paulsreview Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls review Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Paulsreview (fax) Dark Side Of The Moog 9 review Re: (fax) Dark Side Of The Moog 9 review Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls review (fax) FS/FT: various Fax Re: (fax) Dark Side Of The Moog 9 review RE: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls review Re: (fax) Dark Side Of The Moog 9 review ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:37:26 +0000 From: "ronny lehmann" Subject: (fax) nu age for me the perfect example of nu age is aeoliah's angel light. karunesh, krishna whatyamaycallit, sandelan, healing music... music that tries to spread positive vibes and other cosmic bulls... and if records like roach's atmospheric conditions and rich's somnium are not ambient music, then in fact this musical direction doesn't exist. don't let sandelwood shops decide 'bout musical categories... der geist steht auf und seine feinde zerstieben www.geocities.com/seetyca >From: "jackthetab" >To: "Dan Rossi" , >Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls >review >Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 04:12:04 -0500 > >differences and similarities seem to be very important >in the realm of music. > >kunst und wahnsinn, > jackthetab > > #####\ _ /##### > #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# > ##### | /_woof/ | ##### > #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# > # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # > #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# > #####/ ######/ \###### \##### >/_______________________________________\ > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan Rossi" >To: "jackthetab" ; >Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 4:07 AM >Subject: RE: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls >review > > > > hehehe i'm just stirring , we share similar interests in old skool >techno, > > so we should share some differences too :D > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jackthetab [mailto:zothboy@superior.net] > > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 7:46 PM > > To: Dan Rossi; faxlist@2350.org > > Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls > > review > > > > > > I dont know how much closer to new age you can get with > > those astists......................... > > > > kunst und wahnsinn, > > jackthetab > > > > #####\ _ /##### > > #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# > > ##### | /_woof/ | ##### > > #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# > > # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # > > #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# > > #####/ ######/ \###### \##### > > /_______________________________________\ > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dan Rossi" > > To: "jackthetab" ; > > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:40 AM > > Subject: RE: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls >review > > > > > > > what i'm trying to get @ micheal stearns, robert rich and steve roach >to > > > > name a few are ambient not new age, i know the sound you are talking > > about, > > > and they definatly dont fit in that catagory, maybe "earth" stores >tend >to > > > choose to have them in the store but thats just purely choice not >because > > > they are marketed to be new age :O > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: jackthetab [mailto:zothboy@superior.net] > > > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 7:28 PM > > > To: Dan Rossi; faxlist@2350.org > > > Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls > > > review > > > > > > > > > Ambient music sounds much more real that new age. > > > New age music is what you hear in "earth" stores. > > > There is a big difference. It is hard to put it into > > > words, yet their sounds seem to give themselves away. > > > If you have to ask what new age sounds like, I am sure > > > it is not worth getting into. > > > > > > kunst und wahnsinn, > > > jackthetab > > > > > > #####\ _ /##### > > > #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# > > > ##### | /_woof/ | ##### > > > #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# > > > # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # > > > #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# > > > #####/ ######/ \###### \##### > > > /_______________________________________\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dan Rossi" > > > To: "jackthetab" ; > > > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:09 AM > > > Subject: RE: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls > > review > > > > > > > > > > heh well i dont think i define yanni as either ambient or new age , >to > > me > > > > new age = meditation music , ambient for me is also meditation music >i > > > > travel on it therefore they are both the same :D > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-faxlist@2350.org [mailto:owner-faxlist@2350.org]On >Behalf >Of > > > > jackthetab > > > > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 6:48 PM > > > > To: faxlist@2350.org > > > > Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and >Pauls > > > > review > > > > > > > > > > > > what is wrong with new age.....it sucks, that is why. > > > > The music sounds too much like midi, and we all know > > > > that midi is not a good sound. > > > > > > > > I dont think you can compare Namlook to Yanni. > > > > That is totally two different kinds of music. > > > > > > > > What is really wrong with new age? nothing honestly, > > > > just dont confuse it with ambient music. > > > > > > > > > > > > kunst und wahnsinn, > > > > jackthetab > > > > > > > > #####\ _ /##### > > > > #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# > > > > ##### | /_woof/ | ##### > > > > #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# > > > > # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # > > > > #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# > > > > #####/ ######/ \###### \##### > > > > /_______________________________________\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Dan Rossi" > > > > To: "jackthetab" ; "Leszek Zabinski" > > > > ; > > > > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 2:19 AM > > > > Subject: RE: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and >Pauls > > > review > > > > > > > > > > > > > whats wrong with new age anyway ? namlook sure sounds new age on >some > > of > > > > his > > > > > tracks :O > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > + To post: ; to mail a person: > > > > > > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > > > > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- >+ To post: ; to mail a person: >+ To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to >+ Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org _________________________________________________________________ Fotos  -  MSN Fotos das virtuelle Fotoalbum. Allen Freunden zeigen oder einfach ausdrucken: http://photos.msn.de/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:16:45 +0000 From: Agust A J Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls review At 03:28 13.1.2003 -0500, you wrote: >Ambient music sounds much more real that new age. >New age music is what you hear in "earth" stores. >There is a big difference. It is hard to put it into >words, yet their sounds seem to give themselves away. >If you have to ask what new age sounds like, I am sure >it is not worth getting into. I think the keyword here is: ambient tends to be more experimental than new age. new age tends to be written more for "adult" listeners looking for a "safe" uplifting music, and most often doesn't push any boundaries. sometimes though, it's hard to tell which is which. the other way of looking at it is: ambient as a term, is used by idm/electronic snobs, and they use "new age" as a term for stuff they don't like, which they sneer at. *g* ;) - --- Agust "nemesis1" - aaj@centrum.is - ICQ: 1290264 - http://nem1.cjb.net free your :) [tm] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:27:53 +0000 From: Paul Milligan Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls review Groan! I supposed I'm going to have to take Jack's bait and reply to this, just in case any members aren't aware he's talking total bollocks. > From: "jackthetab" > Now I have not listened to this release as of yet, but a > few things seem to bother me with this review. > >"Part One is a 20 minute epic - a fluid, rhythmic groove > (reminds me of the Roach/Unis 'Blood Machine' although it's > even better)" > > I know scoUt will like to comment on this....but this is such > an unfair comparison. Steve Roach is new age music, and you seem > to want to compare a Namlook cd to Roach? Shame on you!!!! *spank* Apart from the fact you are ignoring that the Roach release I refer to is a collaboration with Vir Unis and likewise the Namlook release with Klaus Schulze (and therefore not representative of either artist's solo work) Blood Machine itself is far from being "new age" ... you clearly are unfamiliar with this title. I am not a Roach fan (I have none of his solo work) but I know from your previous posts to the Ambient List, as well as here, that you have a pre-occupation with new-ageism creeping into electronic music and a predisposition to commenting on anything which even hints at a connection with new age. However, I will not spank you for being so inclined, but I will spank you for inviting scoUt to comment on one of my reviews; unforgivable! > "Bose speakers for my car" > > Bose are some of the weakest speakers on the planet, not to mention > they are overrated and commercial as hell. Please invest in a better > pair of speakers before making such a comment like that....*spank #2* Hmmm. Possibly many of the Bose speakers sold in the States are weak but, not so the ones which I paid the equivilent of $500 for (with pre-amp) here in the UK - as an Audi cars upgrade package. They truly rock, in an ambiental way if you catch my drift. (Also, let's not lose sight of the fact I was reviewing Moog 9 ... not Bose sound systems.) > "Hit the replay button!" > > Maybe you shouldnt. You need to stick to your new age music, and let > the fax heads enjoy their good quality ambient music. You surely have > no idea what the hell you are talking about.....*shot to the head* Still here, so *shot to head* clearly off target. For record, I am not into new age music (which, I think you know anyway) but, in case I really do not know what I am talking about in connection with Fax music can I enquire of you one thing? ... When a certain List member (not me) decided to copy my review of Moog 9 into a certain Fax Label head honcho, the aforementioned head honcho was kind enough to respond and comment on the fact that the review had, in his opinion, very accurately captured the style and atmosphere of this release. If I follow your logic then clearly the head honcho in question does not know what he is talking about either. Alternative logic ... YOU do not know what you are talking about. Thank you and good night. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:06:08 -0000 From: Richard Hughes Subject: (fax) Synth Music Direct Just to add to the praise already mentioned on this list regarding Synth Music Direct - thanks to Paul for mentioning their sale - I picked up a couple of discs from them which arrived this morning (just a couple of days from the UK to Holland). No quibbles whatsover and their shipping rates are indeed dirt cheap (even overseas). *************************************************************************** The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee and access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken, or omitted to be taken, in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. 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The two titles I mentioned I ordered arrived a couple of days later. Rich's Inner Landscapes somewhat in vein of Trances & Drones and the Vir Unis/Chris Short's Yellow House I just love. The guitartronics are hardly discernable from other treatments in all but a couple of places... this has a similar mood to Shades of Orion 2 although slightly warmer and more varied ... and probably having the edge! All power to their elbow. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 08:08:24 -0500 From: micah stupak Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls review At 02:48 AM 1/13/2003, you wrote: >what is wrong with new age.....it sucks, that is why. >The music sounds too much like midi, and we all know >that midi is not a good sound. how is "midi" a sound? that's like saying a guitarist sounds like "fingers". ________________ micah@benthic.cc www.benthic.cc benthic recordings - soundings from unexplored places ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 07:12:24 -0500 From: "Mike Carss" Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Paulsreview This is why I HATE labels (as in "this in ambient", "this is new-age"). Let's all just agree to disagree and not force silly ideas in other's head. The simple and true answer is: If you like it, listen to it. Why should anyone feel that listening to something is "bad" just because someone else said it was "bad". Having an opinion is all good, of course... but let's not force those ideas onto other people who happen to disagree. We're all here for one thing, FAX! But I'm sorry, I don't think FAX is the ONLY source for ambient music, nor is the be-all and end-all for ambient music. That's just my opinion though. hehe ;) Now everyone, let's hug. - -Mike - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Milligan" To: "jackthetab" Cc: Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 5:27 AM Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Paulsreview > Groan! I supposed I'm going to have to take Jack's bait and reply to > this, just in case any members aren't aware he's talking total > bollocks. [snip] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:33:21 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Paulsreview If you read my message you would have realized that I infact owned that title. I listened to it once, and subsequently rid my collection of it. I did not like it, and was unimpressed, as I am with most of Steve Roach. In my review, I did comment that it was Steve Roachs least new age sound to date, but that it still was quite lackluster. spank me if you want, I like it! and scoUt is busy, so a response will unlikely be forthcoming. this is the review I had written - STEVE ROACH and VIR UNIS - Blood Machine - GreenHouseMusic/CD Starting off on a not so "ambient" way, this album quickly changes from a fast paced electronic montage to something more peaceful and flowing. The eight tracks on this disc are mixed into a semi-pleasant journey through sound. Track two becomes rather minimal, but maintains some form of interest. It builds to a droned swirl taking a form of electronic tribalism. Not surprisingly it is entitled "Evolution". At times this album can become to light and airy, as is the case with the track "Impulse". The samples tend to get lost within the mix, including the drum sections. At times the samples become too muffled and are drowned out. Each track seems to have a different sound from one another, creating an irregularity in the flow of ambience. There are a few tracks containing some beats, which tend to bridge the ambient pieces together. Fading nicely, the superfluous beats are replaced by slow moving electronics. I have to admit, this is one of the best Steve Roach albums to date, though this is really not saying much considering his previous works. I do need to mention the very colourful artwork. - jackthetab kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Milligan" To: "jackthetab" Cc: Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 5:27 AM Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Paulsreview > Groan! I supposed I'm going to have to take Jack's bait and reply to > this, just in case any members aren't aware he's talking total > bollocks. > > > From: "jackthetab" > > Now I have not listened to this release as of yet, but a > > few things seem to bother me with this review. > > > >"Part One is a 20 minute epic - a fluid, rhythmic groove > > (reminds me of the Roach/Unis 'Blood Machine' although it's > > even better)" > > > > I know scoUt will like to comment on this....but this is such > > an unfair comparison. Steve Roach is new age music, and you seem > > to want to compare a Namlook cd to Roach? Shame on you!!!! *spank* > > Apart from the fact you are ignoring that the Roach release I refer to > is a collaboration with Vir Unis and likewise the Namlook release with > Klaus Schulze (and therefore not representative of either artist's > solo work) Blood Machine itself is far from being "new age" ... you > clearly are unfamiliar with this title. I am not a Roach fan (I have > none of his solo work) but I know from your previous posts to the > Ambient List, as well as here, that you have a pre-occupation with > new-ageism creeping into electronic music and a predisposition to > commenting on anything which even hints at a connection with new age. > However, I will not spank you for being so inclined, but I will spank > you for inviting scoUt to comment on one of my reviews; unforgivable! > > > > "Bose speakers for my car" > > > > Bose are some of the weakest speakers on the planet, not to mention > > they are overrated and commercial as hell. Please invest in a better > > pair of speakers before making such a comment like that....*spank #2* > > Hmmm. Possibly many of the Bose speakers sold in the States are weak but, > not so the ones which I paid the equivilent of $500 for (with pre-amp) > here in the UK - as an Audi cars upgrade package. They truly rock, in an > ambiental way if you catch my drift. (Also, let's not lose sight of the > fact I was reviewing Moog 9 ... not Bose sound systems.) > > > > "Hit the replay button!" > > > > Maybe you shouldnt. You need to stick to your new age music, and let > > the fax heads enjoy their good quality ambient music. You surely have > > no idea what the hell you are talking about.....*shot to the head* > > Still here, so *shot to head* clearly off target. For record, I am not into > new age music (which, I think you know anyway) but, in case I really do > not know what I am talking about in connection with Fax music can I > enquire of you one thing? ... When a certain List member (not me) decided > to copy my review of Moog 9 into a certain Fax Label head honcho, the > aforementioned head honcho was kind enough to respond and comment on the > fact that the review had, in his opinion, very accurately captured the style > and atmosphere of this release. > > If I follow your logic then clearly the head honcho in question does not > know what he is talking about either. > > Alternative logic ... YOU do not know what you are talking about. > > Thank you and good night. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:34:09 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls review anything done with midi sounds like poo kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "micah stupak" To: Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 8:08 AM Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls review > At 02:48 AM 1/13/2003, you wrote: > >what is wrong with new age.....it sucks, that is why. > >The music sounds too much like midi, and we all know > >that midi is not a good sound. > > how is "midi" a sound? that's like saying a guitarist sounds like "fingers". > > ________________ > micah@benthic.cc > www.benthic.cc > benthic recordings - soundings from unexplored places > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:36:30 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Paulsreview <<>> only if you break out the e :-) I do agree that FAX is not the ONLY source for ambient music. I do agree that labels suck. But without labels there would be chaos. kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Carss" To: Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 7:12 AM Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Paulsreview > This is why I HATE labels (as in "this in ambient", "this is new-age"). > Let's all just agree to disagree and not force silly ideas in other's head. > The simple and true answer is: If you like it, listen to it. > Why should anyone feel that listening to something is "bad" just because > someone else said it was "bad". Having an opinion is all good, of course... > but let's not force those ideas onto other people who happen to disagree. > > We're all here for one thing, FAX! But I'm sorry, I don't think FAX is the > ONLY source for ambient music, nor is the be-all and end-all for ambient > music. That's just my opinion though. hehe ;) > > Now everyone, let's hug. > > -Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Milligan" > To: "jackthetab" > Cc: > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 5:27 AM > Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Paulsreview > > > > Groan! I supposed I'm going to have to take Jack's bait and reply to > > this, just in case any members aren't aware he's talking total > > bollocks. > > [snip] > > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:25:57 EST From: Shellground@aol.com Subject: (fax) Dark Side Of The Moog 9 review I've just read this review and there's nothing in it that suggests a so-called new age flavour. Jack the Tab's argument, that by using Steve Roach's Blood Machine as a reference point means that Paul is effectively classifying this fine Fax title as a new age release (which JTT later defines as "singing birds and harp music") is just ridiculous. Having heard JTT's contribution to the last Ambient@Hyperreal collection, I'd also suggest that people in glass houses .... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 22:32:39 +0100 (MET) From: Leszek Zabinski Subject: Re: (fax) Dark Side Of The Moog 9 review > Jack the Tab's argument, that by using Steve Roach's Blood Machine as a > reference point means that Paul is effectively classifying this fine Fax > title as a new age release (which JTT later defines as "singing birds and > harp music") is just ridiculous. nothing new. JTT apparently has some issues with Paul Milligan which he seems not to be willing to sort out offlist. And it dates way back. Bury the hatchet folks! and hug! ;) greets, Leszek. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 22:51:53 +0100 From: "msg_matucana" Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls review Hi Jack, > I dont know how much closer to new age you can get with > those astists......................... oooh, you can get much, much closer! I remember a sampler CD from Nightingale records, with some AWFUL example of atrocious new age music. Do names like Kamal, Karunesh, Anugama, Luna, Prabodhi, Sangit Om, and Ariel Kalma strike your fancy? If not, try it. You will get your EARS full of sugary clouds that STICK. Hellmuth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 23:25:44 -0000 From: "David Calvert" Subject: (fax) FS/FT: various Fax I have the following for sale/trade: Please contact me off list if interested. Solitaire (PS08/63) Otras 2 (PS08/68) Subharmonic Mixtures (PS08/85) Gate/Sol (PS08/47) Supergroup (PS08/88) Sound of Heaven (PS08/64) Octopus (PS08/79) Amp (PK08/117) Atom (PK08/107) The Putney II (PK08/98; sealed) Sad World 2 (PS08/45; sealed) Namlook VII (PK08/93) New Organic Life (PK08/156) Fanger & Siebert (PS08/77) Virtual Vices (PK08/161) Planetarium 2 (PW42) For trades I'm looking for: Compilation 1 (PK08/01) Silence (PK08/25) Air (PK08/54) Namlook I (PK08/78) Dreamfish (PW02) For cash please make an offer. e-mail: dakota.boo@pop3.hiway.co.uk web page: http://home.hiway.co.uk/boo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 00:38:53 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) Dark Side Of The Moog 9 review effectively, there is no music in my contribution. I am not saying that Paul classified this album in with New Age, but I do not see where Roach fits into this album anywhere? kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:25 PM Subject: (fax) Dark Side Of The Moog 9 review > I've just read this review and there's nothing in it that suggests a > so-called new age flavour. > > Jack the Tab's argument, that by using Steve Roach's Blood Machine as a > reference point means that Paul is effectively classifying this fine Fax > title as a new age release (which JTT later defines as "singing birds and > harp music") is just ridiculous. > > Having heard JTT's contribution to the last Ambient@Hyperreal collection, I'd > also suggest that people in glass houses .... > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 19:51:00 +1100 From: "Dan Rossi" Subject: RE: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls review be careful what you say i highly doubt anything on fax has no midi whatsoever , ever heard of midi to cv boxes ? i use midi but to interact with my cv synths from my sampler, the "midi" you maybe talking about is seqeunces from a computer to a roland sound module for instance , thats real dodge. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-faxlist@2350.org [mailto:owner-faxlist@2350.org]On Behalf Of jackthetab Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:34 AM To: faxlist@2350.org; micah stupak Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls review anything done with midi sounds like poo kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "micah stupak" To: Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 8:08 AM Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls review > At 02:48 AM 1/13/2003, you wrote: > >what is wrong with new age.....it sucks, that is why. > >The music sounds too much like midi, and we all know > >that midi is not a good sound. > > how is "midi" a sound? that's like saying a guitarist sounds like "fingers". > > ________________ > micah@benthic.cc > www.benthic.cc > benthic recordings - soundings from unexplored places > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:50:31 +0000 From: Paul Milligan Subject: Re: (fax) Dark Side Of The Moog 9 review > effectively, there is no music in my contribution. Lest we should all draw our own conclusions about that... > I am not saying that Paul classified this album in > with New Age, but I do not see where Roach fits into > this album anywhere? The comparison was specifically with regard, as quoted, to a "fluid rhythmic groove" the temperament of which struck me as being not dis-similar to Blood Machine, not Roach's work in general; of which I have limited knowledge. I note you ignored my comment that PK himself felt this review summed up his 9th collaboration with KS extremely well, a silence that speaks volumes perhaps? Being deadly serious Jack, I'm really not sure that it's quite cricket to select an established review on 2350 and then post to this List slagging off the writer. I'm grateful for the posts from other members in support but, I don't actually think you have a problem with me personally (unless your are in fact aka scoUt?) but, you do enjoy getting members backs up don't you ... remember, I've also been taking the Ambient List for a few years, wherein your anti-new age rants are now infamous. Incidentally, just to demonstrate that (for me at least) this isn't personal, I'll go on record as saying that I thought your track on the Hyperreal thing was one of the best and I believe I told you so at the time (it was the thunderstorm on your back porch thing wasn't it?) but, I also found most of that collection particular collection to be extremely similar/boring. ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2003 #13 ******************************** --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org