From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2003 #12 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Wednesday, January 15 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 012 RE: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls review (fax) New Age & SMD (fax) Playing By Ear Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls review (fax) Biosphere - Substrata (a classic, even better) Re: (fax) Biosphere - Substrata (a classic, even better) Re: (fax) Biosphere - Substrata (a classic, even better) RE: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls review Re: (fax) Dark Side Of The Moog 9 review Re: (fax) Biosphere - Substrata (a classic, even better) Re: (fax) Playing By Ear (fax) Faxlist Etiquette (???) Re: (fax) Faxlist Etiquette (???) oh, give it up Paul ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 07:47:53 -0500 From: "Conlon, Timothy J" Subject: RE: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls review I don't know about the other names you've listed...but Luna is not New = Age > -----Original Message----- > From: msg_matucana [SMTP:msg@matucana.de] > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 4:52 PM > To: * Faxlist > Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls = review >=20 > Hi Jack, > =20 > > I dont know how much closer to new age you can get with > > those astists......................... > =20 > oooh, you can get much, much closer! I remember a sampler CD > from Nightingale records, with some AWFUL example of atrocious=20 > new age music. > =20 > Do names like Kamal, Karunesh, Anugama, Luna, Prabodhi,=20 > Sangit Om, and Ariel Kalma strike your fancy? If not, try it. > You will get your EARS full of sugary clouds that STICK. > =20 > Hellmuth > =20 >=20 > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: = > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 13:43:11 +0000 From: "Peter Dunlop" Subject: (fax) New Age & SMD >From: Agust A J >Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls review >the other way of looking at it is: >ambient as a term, is used by idm/electronic snobs, and they use "new age" >as a term for stuff they don't like, which they sneer at. Couldn't agree more. Seems to me to be an attempt to brow-beat others into thinking the same way the author does. It won't work. And it certainly won't alter people's opinions. You can kick, scream, moan and write in capitals as much as you like. It still won't make this music new age in other people's eyes (or ears!!). And incidentally, I do consider some (but nowhere near all) Steve Roach and Robert Rich to be New Age but it's new age ambient - which is ok. If you're talking about healing crystals and songs about Unicorns I agree these should be avoided like the plague but I don't have a problem if other people like it. Never forget 99% of the world's population would probably think that everything everyone on this list listens to is rubbish. Are they correct? Of course not, it's just what they think. Sorry, I agree that this new age debate has been flogged to death but I had to say that. On a lighter note I'd also like to recommend Synth Music Direct because they were very friendly and helpful when speaking to them over the phone. They're also very honest with their opinions of the albums they sell. They even told me that one was a bit naff and not to bother. You can't say fairer than that. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:20:05 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: (fax) Playing By Ear I am not at my own computer right now..could someone please tell me the e-mail address to playing by ear? ...thanks Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 18:05:07 +0100 From: "msg_matucana" Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls review Hi Jack, > anything done with midi sounds like poo ahhh, midi is the evil. So I am the devil, I have two red horns, and I use midi. So how comes that I like the holy water of Fax records? Just wondering, and my 0.022 cents worth ;-> Hellmuth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:20:25 -0800 (PST) From: ambient Subject: (fax) Biosphere - Substrata (a classic, even better) for those really into this release would like to know that there is another version of this masterpiece. it is the Japanese version with two extra tracks at the end. it picks you back up and sets you back down to rest. As this release tops many "best of" lists...this rare version alters to another beautiful ending. look for it. you will be amazed. ,scoUt __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 12:26:09 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: (fax) Biosphere - Substrata (a classic, even better) In a message dated 1/14/03 11:20:43 AM Central Standard Time, ambient@yahoo.com writes: << for those really into this release would like to know that there is another version of this masterpiece. it is the Japanese version with two extra tracks at the end. it picks you back up and sets you back down to rest. As this release tops many "best of" lists...this rare version alters to another beautiful ending. look for it. you will be amazed. ,scoUt >> actually...EVEN BETTER, is the recently re-issued version on Touch Records UK...it is a double disc consisting of Substrata, the two bonus Japanese tracks, AND "Man With a Movie Camera" soundtrack piece! so look for this instead! it's easy to find and doesn't cost as much as those crazy Japanese cds.....more bang for your buck! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:34:22 -0700 From: "brad gentry" Subject: Re: (fax) Biosphere - Substrata (a classic, even better) biosphere/geir jenssen has also posted unreleased mp3's here. http://www.notam02.no/~geirje/index.html >From: RLynn9@aol.com >To: ambient@yahoo.com, faxlist@2350.org, ambient@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: (fax) Biosphere - Substrata (a classic, even better) >Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 12:26:09 EST > >In a message dated 1/14/03 11:20:43 AM Central Standard Time, >ambient@yahoo.com writes: > ><< for those really into this release would like to know that there is > another version of this masterpiece. > > it is the Japanese version with two extra tracks at the end. > it picks you back up and sets you back down to rest. > > As this release tops many "best of" lists...this rare version alters > to another beautiful ending. > > look for it. you will be amazed. > > ,scoUt > >> > >actually...EVEN BETTER, is the recently re-issued version on Touch Records >UK...it is a double disc consisting of Substrata, the two bonus Japanese >tracks, AND "Man With a Movie Camera" soundtrack piece! so look for this >instead! it's easy to find and doesn't cost as much as those crazy Japanese >cds.....more bang for your buck! > >Robert >--- >+ To post: ; to mail a person: >+ To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to >+ Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 12:42:28 -0500 From: "Conlon, Timothy J" Subject: RE: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls review I believe under the FAX by-laws...the section dealing with "Don't ask, = Don't tell"...you can be a midi user or have a fondness for New Age and = not lose your credibility. > -----Original Message----- > From: msg_matucana [SMTP:msg@matucana.de] > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 12:05 PM > To: * Faxlist > Subject: Re: (fax) The Dark Side of the Moog IX - PK 08/163 and Pauls = review >=20 > Hi Jack, >=20 > > anything done with midi sounds like poo >=20 > ahhh, midi is the evil. So I am the devil, I have two red horns, > and I use midi. So how comes that I like the holy water of Fax=20 > records? >=20 > Just wondering, and my 0.022 cents worth ;-> >=20 > Hellmuth >=20 >=20 > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: = > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 12:56:57 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) Dark Side Of The Moog 9 review My post was not an attack against you personally Paul. I do have to say that just hearing the name Steve Roach, makes me cringe. To me, Steve Roach and Yanni are very close in their out takes. My feeling was this, how could one compare something ambient to something not so ambient. Namlook and Roach are not overly similiar, and I do understand that you were comparing a collab and not just Roachs' work. I am not slamming your review because it is you who wrote it. I felt that there were some bothersome statements written. I am sure that you have some problems with reviews I have written, and I always welcome critics. I appreciate the comment about my track, and contrary to what people have said, my track differs from that of new age, as my track was merely a mixed live field recording, and without the light fluffy music in the background. and no, I am not scoUt. We differ a little on issues. kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Milligan" To: "jackthetab" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 4:50 AM Subject: Re: (fax) Dark Side Of The Moog 9 review > > > effectively, there is no music in my contribution. > > Lest we should all draw our own conclusions about that... > > > > I am not saying that Paul classified this album in > > with New Age, but I do not see where Roach fits into > > this album anywhere? > > The comparison was specifically with regard, as quoted, > to a "fluid rhythmic groove" the temperament of which > struck me as being not dis-similar to Blood Machine, not > Roach's work in general; of which I have limited knowledge. > I note you ignored my comment that PK himself felt this > review summed up his 9th collaboration with KS extremely > well, a silence that speaks volumes perhaps? > > Being deadly serious Jack, I'm really not sure that it's > quite cricket to select an established review on 2350 and > then post to this List slagging off the writer. I'm grateful > for the posts from other members in support but, I don't > actually think you have a problem with me personally (unless > your are in fact aka scoUt?) but, you do enjoy getting members > backs up don't you ... remember, I've also been taking the > Ambient List for a few years, wherein your anti-new age rants > are now infamous. > > Incidentally, just to demonstrate that (for me at least) > this isn't personal, I'll go on record as saying that I > thought your track on the Hyperreal thing was one of the > best and I believe I told you so at the time (it was the > thunderstorm on your back porch thing wasn't it?) but, I > also found most of that collection particular collection to > be extremely similar/boring. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 18:41:06 +0000 From: Agust A J Subject: Re: (fax) Biosphere - Substrata (a classic, even better) At 12:26 14.1.2003 -0500, you wrote: >actually...EVEN BETTER, is the recently re-issued version on Touch Records >UK...it is a double disc consisting of Substrata, the two bonus Japanese >tracks, AND "Man With a Movie Camera" soundtrack piece! so look for this >instead! it's easy to find and doesn't cost as much as those crazy Japanese >cds.....more bang for your buck! I'd like to add my vote for this release, fantastic double cd ambient album... plus, the touch release has gorgeous artwork... jon wozencroft shoots some amazing pictures for the covers of touch label releases. almost a reason alone to buy their cds :) sure wish geir would visit us again here on iceland, his live set in october 2000 was fantastic.... there's an excellent quality mp3 bootleg around from that performance, audience recording even. 4 coughs or so is all you hear from the audience. one of them mine ;p there's also a "cleaned up" version of it, with the coughs removed... :p - --- Agust "nemesis1" - aaj@centrum.is - ICQ: 1290264 - http://nem1.cjb.net free your :) [tm] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 22:57:26 -0600 From: The REAL Mxyzptlk Subject: Re: (fax) Playing By Ear playing.by.ear@mindspring.com jeff At 09:20 AM 1/14/2003, RLynn9@aol.com wrote: >I am not at my own computer right now..could someone please tell me the >e-mail address to playing by ear? ...thanks > >Robert >--- >+ To post: ; to mail a person: >+ To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to >+ Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:03:01 +0000 From: Paul Milligan Subject: (fax) Faxlist Etiquette (???) > My post was not an attack against you personally Paul. > I do have to say that just hearing the name Steve Roach, > makes me cringe. Jack, finally we get to the root of the issue... your problem is with Steve Roach not me. However, if you read your original post again you will note that you were, indeed, being extremely personal when you said "you need to stick to your new age music...you surely have no idea what the hell you are talking about". > My feeling was this, how could one compare something ambient > to something not so ambient. Your view would be reasonable if I had been claiming there were general similarities between the body of Namlook's work and the body of Roach's work. However, I was comparing the "fluid rhythmic groove" of the first track on DSOTM9 with that rhythmic style which can be found on parts of Blood Machine. Personally, I would not say that DSOTM9 was any more or less an 'ambient' album than Blood Machine, apart from which that term ambient covers a multitude of sins, including your own contribution to the Hyperreal compilation. Notwithstanding that, I don't believe just because a particular release is classified under one heading (ambient) it can not be referenced against a release classified under another heading (new age) aside from the simple fact that such classifications are always open to interpretation. Several years ago I wrote a brief review for Koolfang II which including references to a rock artist (Manfred Manns Earthband) and a jazz artist (Miles Davis) and I would still stand by that review today. > I am sure that you have some problems with reviews I have written, > and I always welcome critics. Just so myself, when it is objective and doesn't get personal. I think that one of the great strengths of www.2350.org is that it contains an incredible depth and breadth of reviews, some of which are extremely articulate, some of which are not, but all of which are no more or less than an expression of an individual's viewpoint. To pull out a single review, posted a year hence, and then publicly attack the writer is dubious practice. However, to make reference to a review and then post an objective alternative perspective, which does not affront the writer, would be acceptable. Of course this is only *my* personal view and I do not wish to imply that it is a statement of fact, or to suggest that I am in any way responsible for establishing etiquette on this List. Cheers folks. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:19:06 -0800 (PST) From: ambient Subject: Re: (fax) Faxlist Etiquette (???) oh, give it up Paul you can't tame JTT. your references to Roach are a disservice to Fax. unless you are aka Rich or Roach himself, which would explain how that crap gets around. do you have alternate email subscritions to this list to support your view? - --- Paul Milligan wrote: __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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