From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2003 #19 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Tuesday, January 28 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 019 Re: (fax) 2003 looking good. Re: (fax) 2003 looking good. RE: (fax) 2003 looking good. Re: (fax) 2003 looking good. Re: (fax) 2003 looking good. Re: (fax) 2003 looking good. (fax) S.H.A.D.O. 2 trainspotting... Re: (fax) 2003 looking good. Re: (fax) Spyra - Invisible Fields - 1st impressions Re: (fax) Spyra - Invisible Fields - 1st impressions (fax) FA: Last day for 3 Fax CD's (fax) Re: Paap/SpeedyJ Re: (fax) 2003 looking good. (fax) Re: need help from list members (fax) Etherlands (fax) Spyra Etherlands (fax) What's In A Name? RE: (fax) What's In A Name? Re: (fax) What's In A Name? Re: (fax) FA: DSOM 4, Air (AW014), Cookbook II (fax) FAX service ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:32:32 -0800 From: "seeklektek" Subject: Re: (fax) 2003 looking good. From: "Maximilien Lincourt" > Whooaaa! > > and another by Anthony Rother who is a producer of housey technoy type > > stuff (i think) little computer people.. > Well, it's more electro-ishey than housey Rother isn't housey at all. Rother is totally Electro: "'72 I was born....into the break of dawn... '73 hate and love...family was broken off... '86 bits and bytes...lonely programmer nights... '88 I found the key...what I really want to be: Electro Pop Music...Vision of My Life" (Little Computer People - 'Electro Pop') > Anthony Rother, aka, Little Computer People, Psi Performer, Family Lounge, > to release somethinng on fax! I wonder in which direction it will be ? > Straight Electro ? > Dark Ambient ? > Funny Electro ? > Dark Electro ? > Can't wait for this one! > Max. Check out Rother's 'Simulationszeitalter': not pop at all: not really 'dark', but moody. http://www.psi49net.de/a_rother/ar_sz.htm FAX-worthy sounds, for sure. .o0O}seeklektek{O0o. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:37:31 -0500 From: MuzikJunky Subject: Re: (fax) 2003 looking good. > 2 new sublabel releases out soon, one by SOL(Ramin and Christian=20 > Schek) and another by Anthony Rother who is a producer of housey=20 > technoy type stuff (i think) little computer people. So, 'Dr=E9, what's your plan with the artwork, then? Back to the classic=20= circle-in-circle style? Any thoughts? Peace. I added the missing out-take ("Ntrn-Wd," available for download at=20 http://www.speedyj.com) to my MD copy of Jochem Paap's "Vrs-Mbnt-Pcs=20 9598 II," and I think this helps to improve the disc,partially because=20= I think that a CD under 60 minutes these days doesn't really take=20 advantage of the CD format. Now it's a more respectable 70 minutes=20 instead of a mere 52. What do you think? Peace.= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:50:13 -0500 From: "Maximilien Lincourt" Subject: RE: (fax) 2003 looking good. > I added the missing out-take ("Ntrn-Wd," available for download at > http://www.speedyj.com) And now I have to go to that horrible web site to get this ... have mercy on my soul! Max. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 13:43:19 -0700 From: David Wade-Stein Subject: Re: (fax) 2003 looking good. On Monday, January 27, 2003, at 01:37 PM, MuzikJunky wrote: >> 2 new sublabel releases out soon, one by SOL(Ramin and Christian=20 >> Schek) and another by Anthony Rother who is a producer of housey=20 >> technoy type stuff (i think) little computer people. > > So, 'Dr=E9, what's your plan with the artwork, then? Back to the = classic=20 > circle-in-circle style? Any thoughts? Peace. > > I added the missing out-take ("Ntrn-Wd," available for download at=20 > http://www.speedyj.com) to my MD copy of Jochem Paap's "Vrs-Mbnt-Pcs=20= > 9598 II," and I think this helps to improve the disc,partially because=20= > I think that a CD under 60 minutes these days doesn't really take=20 > advantage of the CD format. Now it's a more respectable 70 minutes=20 > instead of a mere 52. What do you think? Peace. I cannot understand why people say this. It was an outtake because=20 Jochem Paap felt it didn't belong on the album. What difference does it=20= make how long the album is--if the artist felt that it was done, then=20 it's done. You're of course free to add the outtake to *your* copy of=20 the album, but JP obviously felt it didn't belong there. Why is it "more respectable" because it's longer? Just because a CD can=20= hold 80 minutes doesn't mean that an artist is obligated to produce 80=20= minutes of music! (Is a small painting no good because the artist=20 could've painted it on a larger canvas?) Dave= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:44:53 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: (fax) 2003 looking good. In a message dated 1/27/03 2:37:45 PM Central Standard Time, MuzikJunky@earthlink.net writes: << I think that a CD under 60 minutes these days doesn't really take advantage of the CD format. Now it's a more respectable 70 minutes instead of a mere 52. What do you think? Peace. >> i don't always buy into the notion that just because you have 74-80 minutes on a disc that you should use it....it just depends on the piece of music...i think some albums benefit from a shorter running time....sometimes 70 minutes or more is way too long ...actually i tend to appreciate albums that are around the 50 minute mark... RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:47:11 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: (fax) 2003 looking good. In a message dated 1/27/03 2:44:53 PM Central Standard Time, dave@psych.colorado.edu writes: << I cannot understand why people say this. It was an outtake because Jochem Paap felt it didn't belong on the album. What difference does it make how long the album is--if the artist felt that it was done, then it's done. You're of course free to add the outtake to *your* copy of the album, but JP obviously felt it didn't belong there. Why is it "more respectable" because it's longer? Just because a CD can hold 80 minutes doesn't mean that an artist is obligated to produce 80 minutes of music! (Is a small painting no good because the artist could've painted it on a larger canvas?) Dave >> ahh...kudos to you Dave...much more eloquently put than my post.... i wholeheartedly agree... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:53:28 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: (fax) S.H.A.D.O. 2 trainspotting... has anyone else ever noticed the Cabaret Voltaire drum sample that starts around the 2 minute mark on "Inner Sense" from SHADO 2 ??? i know it is Virgin-era Cabs but i can't think of the name of the track! i will have to pour through my cds when i get home...this i driving me nuts! RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:54:12 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: (fax) 2003 looking good. In a message dated 1/27/03 2:40:54 PM Central Standard Time, maximilien.lincourt@mayahtt.com writes: << And now I have to go to that horrible web site to get this ... have mercy on my soul! Max. >> why is it so horrible? tough to navigate? RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:29:35 +0100 From: "Richard Hughes" Subject: Re: (fax) Spyra - Invisible Fields - 1st impressions > i have never heard Etherlands but most people seem to dislike = it....why is=20 > that? any opinions as to why? I didn't mean to put Etherlands in a particuarly bad light, it is = actually rather nice, but perhaps not as good as Sferics. - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: ; Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 5:42 PM Subject: Re: (fax) Spyra - Invisible Fields - 1st impressions > In a message dated 1/27/03 5:49:07 AM Central Standard Time,=20 > rhughes@nl.eclipsecomputing.com writes: >=20 > << The new Spyra just arrived this morning. I haven't finished = listening to it > yet, but first impressions are that it a really good album. A nice = mix of > uptempo tracks and some slower stuff. A *lot* better than Etherlands. = The > first track is a real funker, a mix of old school electro, vocoder = vocals > and some classic Spyra sequencing. >> >=20 >=20 >=20 > i have never heard Etherlands but most people seem to dislike = it....why is=20 > that? any opinions as to why? >=20 > thanks, > Robert > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: = > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org >=20 > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:42:14 -0000 From: "David Calvert" Subject: Re: (fax) Spyra - Invisible Fields - 1st impressions Dash-it-all chaps! Now I'll have to abandon my systematic listening to my RI CD's to play Sferics and Etherlands to remember which one I prefer (I'm pretty sure it's the one with the piano on the opening track - Sferics). Actually it could be blessed relief as DOTS was beginning to get pretty dull. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Hughes To: ; Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 9:29 PM Subject: Re: (fax) Spyra - Invisible Fields - 1st impressions > > i have never heard Etherlands but most people seem to dislike it....why is > > that? any opinions as to why? > > I didn't mean to put Etherlands in a particuarly bad light, it is actually rather nice, but perhaps not as good as Sferics. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 5:42 PM > Subject: Re: (fax) Spyra - Invisible Fields - 1st impressions > > > > In a message dated 1/27/03 5:49:07 AM Central Standard Time, > > rhughes@nl.eclipsecomputing.com writes: > > > > << The new Spyra just arrived this morning. I haven't finished listening to it > > yet, but first impressions are that it a really good album. A nice mix of > > uptempo tracks and some slower stuff. A *lot* better than Etherlands. The > > first track is a real funker, a mix of old school electro, vocoder vocals > > and some classic Spyra sequencing. >> > > > > > > > > i have never heard Etherlands but most people seem to dislike it....why is > > that? any opinions as to why? > > > > thanks, > > Robert > > --- > > + To post: ; to mail a person: > > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > > > > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:11:14 -0000 From: "David Calvert" Subject: (fax) FA: Last day for 3 Fax CD's SadWorld 2, UVOII - Sound of Heaven, Putney II at ... http://cgi6.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&user id=dakota.boo@pop3.hiway.co.uk&include=0&since=1&sort=2&rows=25 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 01:19:09 +0100 From: "msg_matucana" Subject: (fax) Re: Paap/SpeedyJ Hi all, >I added the missing out-take ("Ntrn-Wd," available for download at >http://www.speedyj.com) to my MD copy of Jochem Paap's "Vrs-Mbnt-Pcs >9598 II," and I think this helps to improve the disc,partially because With its three pieces, the CD stands out for itself. Ntrn-Wd has a completely different feel. I would have omitted it as well, although it is very good. Speedy's site is experimental but I tend to agree that it is hell to navigate. Be that as it may, the wossname thingies _do_not_work_ sometimes, and not at all with Opera. So, form does not follow function here, and "use the defaults" was not heeded. Atrocious but nice-looking. Hellmuth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:19:08 -0500 From: MuzikJunky Subject: Re: (fax) 2003 looking good. Please--let's not start another abusive flame war! > Why is it "more respectable" because it's longer? Just because a CD > can hold 80 minutes doesn't mean that an artist is obligated to > produce 80 minutes of music! (Is a small painting no good because the > artist could've painted it on a larger canvas?) Well, I like the tracks on the disc so much that I wish they (especially "Jchm-2ngn") were longer! I am talking simply about economy here, though--if I copy something to MD, I like the MD to be as full as possible. On CD, it makes no difference. Peace. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:50:58 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Osborne Subject: (fax) Re: need help from list members > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:11:42 EST > From: RLynn9@aol.com > Subject: (fax) need help from list members > > ok...here is my dilemma: i am getting ready to purchase some FAX cds but i > can't decide between two sets: > > set A - Kooler....Create....Fanger & Siebert....The Four Seasons > > set B - Xangadix...Xangadix 2...A Day in the Park...The MS-Series > > help! which set do you think i should purchase first!? any votes or > suggestions would be most appreciated...thank you As far as Day in the Park... the fact that a limited edition disc from 94 is still available sealed should tell you something :p Of all the albums you mentioned, I only found Fanger & Siebert to be enjoyable all the way through. I like the first and third tracks on the MS-Series, and Electric Eyes from Xangadix 2. All the rest of the stuff you mentioned was absolutely forgettable IMHO. But it depends on what you like. Name some other Fax stuff you dig and I think people could help you more. Jonathan __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:58:09 +0000 From: "Peter Dunlop" Subject: (fax) Etherlands >Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:42:42 EST >From: RLynn9@aol.com >Subject: Re: (fax) Spyra - Invisible Fields - 1st impressions >i have never heard Etherlands but most people seem to dislike it....why is >that? any opinions as to why? Etherlands is almost an album of two halves for me. The first half didn't do much for me at all but the second half was much better. Six Miles South of Hastings was nearly one of the best Fax tracks I'd heard but I didn't like the organ which comes into the fray. Nevertheless, it's still not bad. Monotonous Stereo Pt 2 is very warm sounding sequencing and really grew on me. I thought the title track, Etherlands Pts 1 & 2 was sequencing of the highest order and really fits in with the image of those little windpower thingies on the inner sleeve. Although Sferics is the best Spyra I've heard I'd say Etherlands was still worth getting. Does anything know what's happening with the re-release of the DSOMs that seemed to be due ages ago now? Should I wait for them to come out again or do I need to start trawling Ebay? ( which I'd prefer to avoid :-( ) Pete ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:49:31 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9?= Brenner Subject: (fax) Spyra Etherlands Looking for a new copy of Spyra Etherlands... if anyone know where it is still available email me off-list. Thanks Rene ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:57:07 +0000 From: Paul Milligan Subject: (fax) What's In A Name? >> I can't decide between two sets: >> set A - Kooler....Create....Fanger & Siebert....The Four Seasons >> set B - Xangadix...Xangadix 2...A Day in the Park...The MS-Series > As far as Day in the Park... the fact that a limited edition disc from 94 is > still available sealed should tell you something. I can't agree with this thought process Jonathan. The reason many more older Sub Label releases are still available is a reflection on the fact that the artists involved aren't Pete Namlook, rather than the calibre of their music. After all, I doubt there are many who would rate oop's like Namlook 3, Music For Ballet and The Putney 2 as being superior to in-prints like Shellground, In Starless Space and Solitaire. Or, are there? (!!!) If you want proof positive of the importance of the Namlook nametag, look at how many people put "Namlook" into their headings for non-Namlook related, Sub Label releases advertised on ebay. > Of all the albums you mentioned, I only found Fanger & Siebert to be enjoyable > all the way through ... All the rest of the stuff you mentioned was > absolutely forgettable IMHO. I thought Four Seasons was a great release, possibly even better than listening to the 4 unedited, individual titles? I guess Namlook must have thought so to, or why do it? Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:01:38 -0000 From: Richard Hughes Subject: RE: (fax) What's In A Name? >>The reason many more older Sub Label releases are still available is a reflection on the fact that the artists involved aren't Pete Namlook I agree - Namlook and "Namlook + Name" collabs sell out quicker regardless of musical content - how else would you explain Outland 4, Jet Chamber 5, etc. also going 'out of print' so quickly. Although Audiolounge selling out is just downright bizarre.. ;-) It seems also the case (rather unjustly in my view) that any release featuring Uzzell-Edwards doesn't sell out for a very long time(I think the only exception is A New Consciousness 1 which itself was availble until just a couple of years ago). This is of course a bonus for some collectors who can still find older stuff like Create at regular prices. - -----Original Message----- From: Paul Milligan [mailto:paulmilligan@georgiadesign.com] Sent: 28 January 2003 13:57 To: Jonathan Osborne Cc: faxlist@2350.org Subject: (fax) What's In A Name? >> I can't decide between two sets: >> set A - Kooler....Create....Fanger & Siebert....The Four Seasons set >> B - Xangadix...Xangadix 2...A Day in the Park...The MS-Series > As far as Day in the Park... the fact that a limited edition disc > from 94 is still available sealed should tell you something. I can't agree with this thought process Jonathan. The reason many more older Sub Label releases are still available is a reflection on the fact that the artists involved aren't Pete Namlook, rather than the calibre of their music. After all, I doubt there are many who would rate oop's like Namlook 3, Music For Ballet and The Putney 2 as being superior to in-prints like Shellground, In Starless Space and Solitaire. Or, are there? (!!!) If you want proof positive of the importance of the Namlook nametag, look at how many people put "Namlook" into their headings for non-Namlook related, Sub Label releases advertised on ebay. > Of all the albums you mentioned, I only found Fanger & Siebert to be > enjoyable all the way through ... All the rest of the stuff you > mentioned was absolutely forgettable IMHO. I thought Four Seasons was a great release, possibly even better than listening to the 4 unedited, individual titles? I guess Namlook must have thought so to, or why do it? 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Does anyone here know what I am talking about? With the new PS items coming out, I don't want to miss them. thanks, dj monolith __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2003 #19 ******************************* --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org