From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2003 #35 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Thursday, February 20 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 035 Re: (fax) Matt's comments regarding cue/ebay situation RE: (fax) Matt's comments regarding cue/ebay situation Re: (fax) Matt's comments regarding cue/ebay situation Re: (fax) Matt's comments regarding cue/ebay situation (fax) Re: David, the answer is NO. Re: (fax) Matt's comments regarding cue/ebay situation Re: (fax) Matt's comments regarding cue/ebay situation Re: (fax) Matt's comments regarding cue/ebay situation Re: (fax) Matt's comments regarding cue/ebay situation (fax) Fax prices circa 1996 Re: (fax) Matt's comments regarding cue/ebay situation Re: (fax) Matt's comments regarding cue/ebay situation (fax) cd's for trade (fax) cd's for trade (additions) Re: (fax) Matt's comments regarding cue/ebay situation Re: Re: (fax) Matt's comments regarding cue/ebay situation ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 18:48:20 -0000 From: "Lxacoustics" Subject: Re: (fax) Matt's comments regarding cue/ebay situation Hi all, Take all your points , i was surprised cue wasn trading as cue on ebay ( id) rather than anon to a degree.Also surprised by his one word answer when i asked if he could sell to me direct at a fixed price.'No' was as much as he could offer in reply , very blunt and adamant . Regards my mails. Alot of my opinions are based on the fact i paid over odds for what i have fax wise but not silly money and dont have alot of the tiles c ue or namlook are witholding and auctioning ....... thats really coloured my opinions .If i had all the set i wouldnt be commenting on this i guess? or bothered so much. There are some great new labels and artists who are having a hard finacial time ,so i'm happy to say no shortage of good music at fair prices .I was happy to get sent 1 x copies of air 1 and 2 the other day in return for 2 burns so i guess this is the future for me in respect of fax , trading burns.I'm Much happier thinking the money i spend on cds is going to a good home and helping musicians keep on making their music , its a symbiotic relationship and greed is not good, not even if you profit from it and i feel all this fax collecting and paying guys like cue is more parasitic .There is a difference been making a living off people and manipulating and profitting from them. Ok. Enough of the negative stuff..I wont say another thing ot or about this !! cheers, matt > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:53:29 -0500 From: "Conlon, Timothy J" Subject: RE: (fax) Matt's comments regarding cue/ebay situation What happens when he decides to use Ebay as the source for ALL = distribution? The bidding from members of this list would be more than = a little over the top. He could post a few a week and make at least 2-3 = times what he's getting now. > -----Original Message----- > From: Lxacoustics [SMTP:lxacoustics@btopenworld.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 1:48 PM > To: fax list > Subject: Re: (fax) Matt's comments regarding cue/ebay situation >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > Take all your points , i was surprised cue wasn trading as cue on ebay = ( > id) rather than anon to a degree.Also surprised by his one word = answer when > i asked if he could sell to me direct at a fixed price.'No' was as = much as > he could offer in reply , very blunt and adamant . >=20 > Regards my mails. >=20 > Alot of my opinions are based on the fact i paid over odds for what i = have > fax wise but not silly money and dont have alot of the tiles c ue or = namlook > are witholding and auctioning ....... thats really coloured my = opinions .If > i had all the set i wouldnt be commenting on this i guess? or bothered = so > much. >=20 > There are some great new labels and artists who are having a hard = finacial > time ,so i'm happy to say no shortage of good music at fair prices .I = was > happy to get sent 1 x copies of air 1 and 2 the other day in return = for 2 > burns so i guess this is the future for me in respect of fax , trading > burns.I'm Much happier thinking the money i spend on cds is going to a = good > home and helping musicians keep on making their music , its a = symbiotic > relationship and greed is not good, not even if you profit from it = and i > feel all this fax collecting and paying guys like cue is more = parasitic > .There is a difference been making a living off people and = manipulating and > profitting from them. >=20 > Ok. Enough of the negative stuff..I wont say another thing ot or about = this > !! >=20 > cheers, >=20 > matt >=20 >=20 > > + To post: ; to mail a person: = > > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org >=20 > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: = > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:00:34 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: (fax) Matt's comments regarding cue/ebay situation In a message dated 2/19/03 12:55:31 PM Central Standard Time, TJC@hscmail.mcc.virginia.edu writes: << What happens when he decides to use Ebay as the source for ALL distribution? The bidding from members of this list would be more than a little over the top. He could post a few a week and make at least 2-3 times what he's getting now. >> i would have to say that anybody who would put up with that is an idiot...i would shop elsewhere immediately....too many other distributors, shops, artists and labels who are much more deserving... "who is more foolish? the fool, or he who follows the fool?" RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:17:20 -0700 From: David Wade-Stein Subject: Re: (fax) Matt's comments regarding cue/ebay situation On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 09:48 AM, RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > i sincerly doubt that Mr. Pete Namlook is hurting for > money...something tells > me that he came from money in the first place..and judging by his > studio and > equipment i really doubt that he is having too much of a money problem > now...any artist who can afford to put out cds left and right > (especially in > the early years of FAX) with no regard to commercial success is most > likely > well off in the money department... I feel compelled to respond! N.B.: I run EAR/Rational Music, which is the U.S. distributor of Fax, so feel free to take this with a LARGE grain of salt or just delete if you doubt I can be objective. While I don't think it's proper for me to comment on Herr Kuhlmann's financial situation, I think one ought to consider how much money he is likely to make from any given release. Just do the damned arithmetic! For an edition of 2000 CDs, he might be grossing $7 per CD. Subtract the cost of pressing the CD. Subtract taxes (which are higher in Germany than they are here). He's probably lucky to net $3 per CD. That's maybe $6000 net. Before you multiply that $6000 by anything, don't forget royalties. For a CD on which he doesn't play, such as the sublabel CDs, most of what he would net goes to the artist(s). In 2002, for example, 8 CDs were released, but only 2 were solo Namlook (New Organic Life III and Syn II). And neither has sold out because we still have some left in stock. Ambient Cookbook II is a wildcard because it definitely generated a lot of sales, but then again there are a lot of artists to pay from that one. And even so, why begrudge Namlook a way to make a little more money on a release? If you don't want it, don't buy it. In 2001, 7 CDs were release, and 3 were solo Namlook (New Organic Life I and II, and Silence V). There was also the A View to a Chill compilation, but that wasn't a big seller. In 2000, only one solo album, 4VoiceIII. In 1999, 14 releases, 4 solos (Air IV, Solarized, Free Your Mind, Silence IV). And so on... Do the math and you end up not with someone who's making a killing off of this, but rather someone who is passionate about making music and getting it out to the world. I think that's pretty clear. And to address the points in the above comment: 1) Yes, he spends a lot of the money on equipment. But the fact that he has a lot of equipment does not imply that he's not hurting for money. 2) "any artist who can afford to put out cds left and right"...well, as I said, do the math. Obviously he can't afford to "put CDs out left and right" and then sell NONE of them. We all know the early sublabel releases were a huge financial drain on the label. I've got plenty of them still in stock if you doubt that. But they did sell some copies, and other releases like the Moog series sold well, and the end result was that Fax continued to be able to put out CDs. But the fact that he is prolific does not mean he is rich. CDs don't cost much to make and while it's necessary to recoup those costs and also make money to live on, I don't think it's reasonable to neglect the business aspect of what he does. He makes music, presses it, sells 2000 or so copies (often less), uses that money to live, upgrade his studio, or whatever, and then makes more music. To be honest, when I look at it that way, I wish I had his talent and his drive. I'd sure be doing what he was if I did. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:21:57 -0800 (PST) From: dj monolith Subject: (fax) Re: David, the answer is NO. wow... what a trip. "It didnt warrant the shelfspace it was taking" - that is quite a statement! Especially considering David Reeves contributions to FAX have always been among my favorites. Weird... and sad. Darcy ( dj monolith ) - --- ambient wrote: > --- dj monolith wrote: > > So, did this David Reeves album ever get released > > anywhere? > > > > Darcy ( dj monolith ) > > > > Nope. I have a copy and, as far as I'm aware,the > only > > other people with one are Pete and Andre. > > You can include me. > > I did have this 'demo' and it is certainly NOT Fax > material. > I can't imagine that this ever has or would be > released, > point blank. > As it likely went to other labels after Pete said > NO, i am > sure David got the idea....as more people than Pete > and > Andre have it. > > If i can remember correctly, it was close to 45 > minutes. > To me, it seemed to be a sample of the kind of music > he was > doing at that time and not really a finished full > length. > > If this was the first thing that Pete had listened > to from > David, Pete would have never listened to the demos > for > Ostras or In Starless Space. > > I remember wondering what i would do with the CD > demo. > I felt guilty asking the sender if they wanted it > back, yet > later did by asking if they 'needed it back', ya > know,...for promotional purposes... > With the No answer i got back, I THINK that i tossed > it in > a s a freebie to someone that i traded some music > with. > > It didnt warrant the shelfspace it was taking. > > ,scoUt > > NP: +N ex.s > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day > http://shopping.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:24:45 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: (fax) Matt's comments regarding cue/ebay situation In a message dated 2/19/03 1:18:09 PM Central Standard Time, dave@psych.colorado.edu writes: << We all know the early sublabel releases were a huge financial drain on the label. I've got plenty of them still in stock if you doubt that. >> no, i don't doubt that...so which ones do you have in stock? RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:29:37 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: (fax) Matt's comments regarding cue/ebay situation In a message dated 2/19/03 1:18:09 PM Central Standard Time, dave@psych.colorado.edu writes: << He makes music, presses it, sells 2000 or so copies (often less), uses that money to live, upgrade his studio, or whatever, and then makes more music. To be honest, when I look at it that way, I wish I had his talent and his drive. I'd sure be doing what he was if I did. Dave >> great post Dave..and you certainly made some valid points that i had not thought of...but regardless of Mr. Namlook's financial situation/standing you cannot argue this simple fact: most of the older FAX cds are becoming increasingly difficult to find and the more retailers that jump on the ebay bandwagon are only making it more difficult for those of us who are not wealthy...it is sad...fairly soon FAX collecting will only be for the rich.... a sad world indeed... RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:10:55 -0700 From: David Wade-Stein Subject: Re: (fax) Matt's comments regarding cue/ebay situation On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 12:29 PM, RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/19/03 1:18:09 PM Central Standard Time, > dave@psych.colorado.edu writes: > > << He makes music, presses it, sells 2000 or so copies > (often less), uses that money to live, upgrade his studio, or > whatever, > and then makes more music. To be honest, when I look at it that way, I > wish I had his talent and his drive. I'd sure be doing what he was if > I > did. > > Dave >> > > great post Dave..and you certainly made some valid points that i had > not > thought of...but regardless of Mr. Namlook's financial > situation/standing you > cannot argue this simple fact: most of the older FAX cds are becoming > increasingly difficult to find and the more retailers that jump on the > ebay > bandwagon are only making it more difficult for those of us who are not > wealthy...it is sad...fairly soon FAX collecting will only be for the > rich.... > > a sad world indeed... > > RL It's true, but at some level the overarching issue is that demand exceeds supply. What I mean is this--if CUE had sold these early releases at the standard price, they'd be completely gone in short order. There are only 500 copies of IF, for example. If there are 501 or more people who want it, someone is going to have to go without. I'm not discounting the high price issue, I'm merely saying that for any limited release, if demand outstrips supply, you'll have this problem. As you point out, up until now it has only been third parties who have been profiting from the demand, though. I discussed on-demand CD-R reissues of older releases with Peter, and he is summarily against it. I thought it would be an ideal solution and would take the wind out of the sails of the ebay auctions. Of course some people would want the originals and pay handsomely for them. But if you could get a Fax-produced CD-R of any title you were missing, you could round out your collection rather easily, and that would put money back into the Fax coffers. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:38:54 -0500 (EST) From: Warren Lapham Subject: Re: (fax) Matt's comments regarding cue/ebay situation On Wed, 19 Feb 2003, David Wade-Stein wrote: > What I mean is this--if CUE had sold these early releases at the standard > price, they'd be completely gone in short order. Dave, I assume you mean the standard "new release" price, no? Because all of these titles were available at a fixed fee (about $60?) for quite some time -- and it wasn't a Big Secret. Obviously they didn't sell out at this price.... And certainly these were available for the taking at about four times the price of a brand-new title. I filled some big holes in my collection this way as late as 1999 -- including original pressings of Silence and Sad World. For those who are ethical and frugal, eMusic.com still has a decent selection of titles: http://www.emusic.com/label/89/89979.html Now, yes, there have been complaints about quality (both bitrate and the splitting of "multitrack" songs), but if it's really just about the music, then neither of these should really matter, right? Of course, if it's about more than just the music (i.e., scratching the collector's itch), well, I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. Fax is a highly collectible label, and knowlingly getting hooked on collecting the releases of a ten-year-old label that presses between 500 and 3000 copies each of hundreds of titles is asking for trouble. I cannot deny my own ensnarement in that particular net. It's a black hole. > I discussed on-demand CD-R reissues of older releases with Peter, and he is > summarily against it. I think we're all familiar with the economic theories behind the way that a label like Peter's operates (limited runs of numerous releases), but this nugget of information leads me to believe that Peter also knows what else the limitation does: create legends, and thus demand -- demand for the scarce releases, and demand for the new releases in anticipation of them becoming scarce (which, of course, directly drives some of the sales of the new releases). This isn't the first time this has been done by an independent labels...and I don't think it's an ethical compromise at all. Peter's gotta eat, right? The "official" eBay auctions do leave a slight, odd taste in my mouth, but I cannot argue against them, if only for the reason that the titles that are now being autioned were readily available quite recently for a fixed price.... - -w. - -- http://www.warlap.net/ (now with music blog) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:03:11 -0800 From: Christian von Ompteda Subject: (fax) Fax prices circa 1996 Just to add a lighter note to things (or more depressing, depending on how you look at it), here is an archive page of Fax CD's sold in 1996 and the prices paid. http://www.usatt.org/rseguine/FAX/auctionJT/auction.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:06:37 -0700 From: David Wade-Stein Subject: Re: (fax) Matt's comments regarding cue/ebay situation On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 01:38 PM, Warren Lapham wrote: > On Wed, 19 Feb 2003, David Wade-Stein wrote: > >> What I mean is this--if CUE had sold these early releases at the >> standard >> price, they'd be completely gone in short order. > > Dave, I assume you mean the standard "new release" price, no? Because > all of > these titles were available at a fixed fee (about $60?) for quite some > time -- > and it wasn't a Big Secret. Obviously they didn't sell out at this > price.... > And certainly these were available for the taking at about four times > the price > of a brand-new title. I filled some big holes in my collection this > way as late > as 1999 -- including original pressings of Silence and Sad World. Yes, you're right. But see below for an anecdote. > For those who are ethical and frugal, eMusic.com still has a decent > selection of > titles: > > http://www.emusic.com/label/89/89979.html Good point. I thought of that but forgot to bring it up. > Now, yes, there have been complaints about quality (both bitrate and > the > splitting of "multitrack" songs), but if it's really just about the > music, then > neither of these should really matter, right? Of course, if it's > about more > than just the music (i.e., scratching the collector's itch), well, I'm > not sure > what all the fuss is about. Fax is a highly collectible label, and > knowlingly > getting hooked on collecting the releases of a ten-year-old label that > presses > between 500 and 3000 copies each of hundreds of titles is asking for > trouble. > I cannot deny my own ensnarement in that particular net. It's a black > hole. While I'm not pointing fingers at anyone on this list, I will say that the "collector mentality" can be a big issue. One example that still sticks in my mind after nearly 10 years is the The KLF's "K Cera Cera". This was released in 1994 and only available in Israel and Palestine. I was able to get 10 copies or so (there were no limitations on export) and I decided to hold a scavenger hunt to sell them. That is, I required people to garner certain items, and then pay (oh my lord, it's that dirty word) for it. Money alone could not buy it from me. I thought it would be fun, and would give people an equal (more or less) chance at getting one. Boy, did I get vilified on the KLF list. One person said that after going out and finding all that stuff on my list, he shouldn't have to pay for it in addition! One person emailed me angrily, asking why I didn't just sell them outright, and whined about how silly he would look sitting in the library (the *library*, mind you) xeroxing an article from the London Times. I realize I'm off topic here, but this does return back to Fax. Few on the KLF list seemed to get the fact that had I just sold them outright, none of them would've gotten one because I got many more than 10 requests for them before I even received the CDs. So my point about CUE was that at some fixed price (clearly less than $60), they would've sold out quickly and those of us who wanted those CDs now would be out of luck. Many on the KLF list essentially blamed me for the limited nature of the release, when in that case, the band was taking full advantage of the publicity surrounding that release. Of course I was making money too, but why is it that people think the more limited something is, the more entitled they are to it and the less entitled anyone is to make any money off of it?!? >> I discussed on-demand CD-R reissues of older releases with Peter, and >> he is >> summarily against it. > > I think we're all familiar with the economic theories behind the way > that a > label like Peter's operates (limited runs of numerous releases), but > this nugget > of information leads me to believe that Peter also knows what else the > limitation does: create legends, and thus demand -- demand for the > scarce > releases, and demand for the new releases in anticipation of them > becoming > scarce (which, of course, directly drives some of the sales of the new > releases). This isn't the first time this has been done by an > independent > labels...and I don't think it's an ethical compromise at all. Peter's > gotta > eat, right? I think that's a fair comment and I wish I had been as articulate as you in my response. Yes, Peter understands that on-demand CD-R copies destroy the limitation aspect, but my suggestion was to make the CD-R artwork different, like the AW artwork, and perhaps even issue a "certificate of authenticity" signed by Pete or some such thing. In the end, I think the language barrier prevented us from exploring this option in the way I had intended. I was offering to do the on-demand copying, for one thing, in order to prevent him from having to deal with that kind of thing. Perhaps I will take it up with him again. My German is pretty poor after nearly 20 years of not speaking it regularly, so I'll have to try to make my case better than I did before. > The "official" eBay auctions do leave a slight, odd taste in my mouth, > but I > cannot argue against them, if only for the reason that the titles that > are now > being autioned were readily available quite recently for a fixed > price.... Agreed. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 22:40:38 +0100 From: "Richard Hughes" Subject: Re: (fax) Matt's comments regarding cue/ebay situation >> I discussed on-demand CD-R reissues of older releases with Peter, and = >> he is >> summarily against it. Although it is interesting that Elektrolux have done a similar thing for = their out of print vinyl releases. You can get the original vinyl ep's = on on an 'official' cdr purchased direct from their online store. - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "David Wade-Stein" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 10:06 PM Subject: Re: (fax) Matt's comments regarding cue/ebay situation ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 01:08:51 +0100 From: "ivar" Subject: (fax) cd's for trade i have some cd's for trade, a few rare titles too! my want list is included below. please email me privately with offers. thanks! TITLES FOR TRADE (all Fax Label and related): PK 08/88 Namlook III PK 08/95 Syn PK 08/117 Amp PK 08/119 EMC - Zentrum Für Elektronische Musik PK 08/126 Elektro II PK 08/137 Jet Chamber IV PK 08/140 Polytime PK 08/160 Move D / Namlook VI (Live in Heidelberg) PW 23 Wechselspannung II PW 26 Create II PS 08/46 +N "Plane" PS 08/47 Gate/Sol PS 08/48 Zenith PS 08/55 The Whole Traffic II PS 08/62 Bedroom PS 08/69 Wireless PS 08/76 My Fascinating Instrument PS 08/78 Second Nature PS 08/79 Octopus PS 08/85 Subharmonic Mixtures AW 013 Transonic I RSN CD9 Namlook / Mixmaster Morris - Dreamfish (Rising High) FAX-5560-2 Fax Compilation II (FAX USA) Dr. Atmo - Man Made Motion (which is a rip off of Tetsu Inoue "slow and low" originally released on fax, long out of print) MY WANTS: fax: namlook/schulze - the evolution of the dark side of the moog namlook - air II (aw) namlook/rehberg - the putney namlook/inoue - sequential namlook/stoll - hemisphere (aw) dr.atmo/deep space network - I.F. namlook/hawtin - from within II and III Jochem Paap - Vrs-Mbnt-Pcs 9598 II others: hard corps - metal + flesh dj kicks - tiga various - serie noire - dark pop and new beat various - tom middleton the sound of the cosmos various - teutonik disaster underworld - second toughest in the infants bola - soup bola - fyuti Basic Channel - Basic Channel Porter Ricks - Biokinetiks Thomas Fehlmann - Good Fridge Electronic Eye - Closed Circuit Sandoz - In Dub Sandoz - Digital Lifeforms Black Dog - Bytes lfo - advance Carl Craig - Landcruising Carl Craig - More Songs About Food And Revolutionary Art Coil - Musick To Play In The Dark Coil - Horse Rotorvator Toktok vs. Soffy O - Toktok vs. Soffy O cheers, Ivar. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 03:08:00 +0100 From: "ivar" Subject: (fax) cd's for trade (additions) If I get a really good offer (trade-wise) i might let go of this: Ambient Compilation II - Collector's Item Edition New Year 1998 Also add these to my want list: Datacide II - PS 08/31 Organic Cloud - PS 08/57 Fanger & Siebert - PS 08/77 - ----- Original Message ----- From: ivar To: faxlist@2350.org ; ambient@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 1:08 AM Subject: (fax) cd's for trade i have some cd's for trade, a few rare titles too! my want list is included below. please email me privately with offers. thanks! TITLES FOR TRADE (all Fax Label and related): PK 08/88 Namlook III PK 08/95 Syn PK 08/117 Amp PK 08/119 EMC - Zentrum Für Elektronische Musik PK 08/126 Elektro II PK 08/137 Jet Chamber IV PK 08/140 Polytime PK 08/160 Move D / Namlook VI (Live in Heidelberg) PW 23 Wechselspannung II PW 26 Create II PS 08/46 +N "Plane" PS 08/47 Gate/Sol PS 08/48 Zenith PS 08/55 The Whole Traffic II PS 08/62 Bedroom PS 08/69 Wireless PS 08/76 My Fascinating Instrument PS 08/78 Second Nature PS 08/79 Octopus PS 08/85 Subharmonic Mixtures AW 013 Transonic I RSN CD9 Namlook / Mixmaster Morris - Dreamfish (Rising High) FAX-5560-2 Fax Compilation II (FAX USA) Dr. Atmo - Man Made Motion (which is a rip off of Tetsu Inoue "slow and low" originally released on fax, long out of print) MY WANTS: fax: namlook/schulze - the evolution of the dark side of the moog namlook - air II (aw) namlook/rehberg - the putney namlook/inoue - sequential namlook/stoll - hemisphere (aw) dr.atmo/deep space network - I.F. namlook/hawtin - from within II and III Jochem Paap - Vrs-Mbnt-Pcs 9598 II others: hard corps - metal + flesh dj kicks - tiga various - serie noire - dark pop and new beat various - tom middleton the sound of the cosmos various - teutonik disaster underworld - second toughest in the infants bola - soup bola - fyuti Basic Channel - Basic Channel Porter Ricks - Biokinetiks Thomas Fehlmann - Good Fridge Electronic Eye - Closed Circuit Sandoz - In Dub Sandoz - Digital Lifeforms Black Dog - Bytes lfo - advance Carl Craig - Landcruising Carl Craig - More Songs About Food And Revolutionary Art Coil - Musick To Play In The Dark Coil - Horse Rotorvator Toktok vs. Soffy O - Toktok vs. Soffy O cheers, Ivar. - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:40:09 -0700 (MST) From: wallace winfrey Subject: Re: (fax) Matt's comments regarding cue/ebay situation On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > and judging by his studio and equipment i really doubt that he is having > too much of a money problem now... studio size is not necessarily a measure of lack of/preponderence of money problems (especially when one considers that the bulk of pete's studio is in vintage analog synths, many of which were *very* cheap at the beginning of the 90s). many studios are built up over the years, and when the cost is spread out, it is quite possible to see an amazing studio after 5, 10, 15 years of collecting without putting out a ton of money at any given time. i have a friend here in colorado with a studio that's pretty comparable to namlook's. i asked him once how he managed to put together such an amazing collection of kit. he explained that he had been wheeling and dealing in synths since 89, and that as a result of the deals done over the years, he was actually in the black in regards to investment. i imagine pete has undertaken a similar path over the years. w ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:56:23 -0800 (PST) From: jeff wietor Subject: Re: Re: (fax) Matt's comments regarding cue/ebay situation studio size is not necessarily a measure of lack of/preponderence of money problems (especially when one considers that the bulk of pete's studio is in vintage analog synths, many of which were *very* cheap at the beginning of the 90s). many studios are built up over the years, and when the cost is spread out, it is quite possible to see an amazing studio after 5, 10, 15 years of collecting without putting out a ton of money at any given time. ............................................................... Commentary: some say gray is a lighter shade of black some say black is a darker shade of gray some say gray is a darker shade of white some say white is three shades brighter than gray some say a shade of gray is not always a darker shade of midnight some say black isn't black at all it's just dark white some say a darker black than white is not gray at all but neither is it white. this explains the matter of money & who has how much or not enough or too much when it comes to artistic creation; saying anything else is simply Blue jw ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2003 #35 ******************************* --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org