From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2003 #37 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Sunday, February 23 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 037 (fax) OT: albums - legit or not? (fax) pbe=eBay alternative Re: (fax) OT: albums - legit or not? (fax) hia/headphone news - AVA Modulate events x 3 (fax) FAXMP3CD (fax) hmm... Re: (fax) FAXMP3CD Re: (fax) FAXMP3CD Fw: (fax) FAXMP3CD Re: (fax) FAXMP3CD Re: (fax) FAXMP3CD ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 06:27:02 -0800 (PST) From: ambient Subject: (fax) OT: albums - legit or not? be careful Muzikjunky... you're liable to start a rumor. > MuzikJunky wrote: > One of Mulimgauze's mp3-only albums, "Fedayeen," was > licensed legitimately to a Russian label for a traditional > CD release, but I don't know if this was the label. Fedayeen was AUTHORIZED as a reissue on on Tantric Harmonies Ars Nova is the Russian Bootleg label. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 09:17:25 -0700 From: David Hodgson Subject: (fax) pbe=eBay alternative hello everyone! before you blow your wad @ eBAY don't forget that Playing By Ear has new/sealed copies of the following... JET CHAMBER PK 08/102 - Pete Namlook & Atom Heart KOOLER PK 08/103 - Pete Namlook & Robert Sattler KOOLFANG II "Gig In The Sky" PK 08/106 - Pete Namlook & David Moufang NAMLOOK XIII PK 08/136 - "License To Chill" NAMLOOK XV: Free Your Mind PK 08/148 - Pete Namlook MOVE D / NAMLOOK V: Wired PK 08/158 - D. Moufang & P. Namlook THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG IX PK 08/163 - Pete Namlook & Klaus Schulze CREATE PW 15 - Pete Namlook & Charles Uzzell-Edwards PSYCHONAVIGATION 5 PW 45 - Pete Namlook & Bill Laswell RECURRING DREAMS OF THE URBAN MYTH PS 08/54 - Chris Meloche AERIAL SERVICE AREA PS 08/58 - Victor Sol & Nino Heyduck w/ A.Heart BEDROOM PS 08/62 - Daniel Pemberton SOLITAIRE PS 08/63 - David Moufang AERIAL SERVICE AREA 2 PS 08/72 - Victor Sol & Niko Heyduck OSKAR SALA: My Fascinating Instrument PS 08/76 SPYRA: Sferics PS 08/91 - Wolfram DER Spyra JOCHEM PAAP: Vrs-Mbnt-Pcs 9598 II PS 08/96 - aka Speedy J AIR 2 AW 003 - repress + new cover art 2350 BROADWAY 2xCD AW 009 - Pete Namlook & Tetsu Inoue AMBIANT OTAKU AW 017 - Tetsu Inoue DOS TRACKS RI051 :) - Atom Heart this is just a sample of my stock...to order and see the latest list contact...David Hodgson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 12:26:28 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) OT: albums - legit or not? yes, and ebay will not pull these auctions. Death to ebay who loves selling bootlegs. I spoke to Staalplaat, and basically they had given up trying to rid Ars Nova. In Russia, there are very liberal laws and punishments for bootlegging copies. kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ambient" To: ; Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 9:15 AM Subject: (fax) OT: albums - legit or not? > simply said, this was an email from Staalplaat concerning > Ars Nova: > > --- geert-jan wrote: > > Ars Nova is a Russian bootleg label > > > > > > also, i found this old email from Patrick Carey, he wrote: > > Wow! These damn things are everywhere! This "label" has > done fakes of > Coil, Einstürzende Neubauten, OES, Residents, Can, Steve > Reich, Kronos > Quartet, DIJ, C93, Popul Vuh, Bebel Gilberto, and > _shitloads_ of others. > > All the ones I've seen have "Ars Nova" on the spine, with > all info on > the back in Russian. Many also have a circular "limited to > 500" mark > on the cover. Coil's "LSD" has an oval-shaped "Limited > Edition" mark > on the front. The sleeve paper used is shitty, and the > color has been > slightly off on all copies I've seen. Some stores here sell > 'em by > the gallon to folks who don't know any better (or don't > care). From > what I've been told anyone in Russia can enter a copyright > office and > obtain a copyright to manufacture albums. > > -Patrick Carey > > --- Paul Milligan wrote: > > > > > a Russia label, if you can call it that, Ars Nova, is > > also > > > selling illegit copies of many muslimgauze releases. > > > > Jeez, I've got a couple of EM/ambient titles in my > > collection > > (traded with another Fax List member) on this 'label' and > > I > > thought they were legit. Artwork and discs look as > > professional > > as the real thing and they even have a logo on the front > > saying "limited edition 500 copies" or something similar. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:24:08 +1100 From: "andre@sansserif.com.au" Subject: (fax) hia/headphone news - AVA Modulate events x 3 > Dont know if this has been posted to the list already but here it is =20= > again if so. > Hi there , > > > for those of you on the hia/headphone newslist in the Birmingham area =20= > , here's some new's of 3 events planned for the coming months . those =20= > further afield can tune in live @ radio.cuttlefish.com > each event will be supported by the modulate crew . bobby bird (hia) , = =20 > chris herbert =A0, magda , joe potts . > please feel free to forward this mail >>>>> sorry for any cross =20 > posting . > > bobby > > > > > > > >) AVA (< > creating curating commisioning > audio visual arts > > is pleased to present > > 'modulate' > > digital sound / listening environments > > x3 > > march/april/may 2003 > > with live performances by: > > > > vladislav delay > (finland): > > sat march 29th at the gallery space custard factory birmingham 8.00 =20= > -11.00pm > > > Fluxion > > (greece): > > sat april 26th at the chuck works, new canal street, digbeth =20 > birmingham 7.30-11.00pm > > > JanJelinek > (germany): > + visuals by Karl Kliem > > sat may 31st =A0at the theatre space custard factory birmingham = 9pm-2am > > > at each event a team of regional visual and sound artists will work =20= > together to create an environment complementary to the visiting sound =20= > artist. > > performances will be broadcast live on internet radio at > radio.cuttlefish.com > > > > details of each individual event will be forwarded =A0nearer the dates > > tickets will be =A36 + 50p booking fee. advance booking recommended > > info & booking at > > http://www.a-v-a.co.uk > or e-mail > info@a-v-a.co.uk > > please help us to promote these events by forwarding on the above =20 > information to friends & news groups ect > > = - -----------------------------------------------------------------------=20= > --------------------------------------- > = - -----------------------------------------------------------------------=20= > --------------------------------------- > > Vladislav Delay > > 'Contemporary electronic music has emerged as one of the most =20 > pervasive forms of experimental music of recent times. This event =20 > features performers who use new technologies to create a uniquely =20 > digital sound. Vladislav Delay is at the forefront of international =20= > electronic music. Part ambient, part percussive, Delay's music is =20 > infused with an elegiac quality. =A0Aural fragments loop and overlay =20= > creating clouds of granular, occasionally corrosive sonic textures.' =20= > Tate Modern .( exerpt re Vladislav Delay performance at the Tate =20 > Modern 28:09:02) > = - -----------------------------------------------------------------------=20= > --------------------------------------------- > > Fluxion > 'Fluxion's =A0albums =91Spaces=92 , Vibrant Forms 1 and Vibrant Forms = 11, =20 > have established him at the forefront of the current wave of =20 > =A0minimalist dub. Rich in texture and space, =91Spaces=92 is a lush = stream =20 > of carefully sculpted dubout ambience the flows from start to finish =20= > with a density of sound that contemporaries like Vladislav Delay have =20= > brought to popular attention in recent years. The 12 tracks included =20= > glide with a beatless beauty =96 from the opening caress of =91Field = 1=92 - =20 > an aquatic slow moving wall of atmospheric nuances =96 to the deep =20 > popping washes of =91Unechoic Room=92 - sparse in every way, replete = with =20 > concr=E9te organics . =91Emergence=92 is stunning, bringing into = fuller =20 > formation the dub nuances that were only hinted at on the opening =20 > tracks...fading out almost before it begins. Subtle in every way, this = =20 > is a masterful exploration of minimalism and how it can, when done =20 > properly, sound full and incredibly deep. Highly recommended. =20 > '(Pelicanneck) > > = - -----------------------------------------------------------------------=20= > --------------------------------------------- > Jan Jelinek > a.k.a. Farben (Klang), a.k.a. Gramm (Source) has released one of =20 > 2001's best electronic full-lengths under his own name for the =20 > Berlin-based ~Scape label. Entitled Loop-Finding-Jazz-Records, Jan =20 > Jelinek has successfully captured the buzz of the German, minimal =20 > techno/dub sound in a way that recontextualizes sample-based music, =20= > borrowing from past improvisations and creating new ones. At the =20 > height of the glitch zeitgeist, Jan Jelinek's unique talent stands out = =20 > among the crowd, even from behind the shadow of his label-boss Pole, =20= > as one of the genre's grooviest examples of digital minimalism. > > Jelinek will be performing with programmer and video artist Karl =20 > Kliem, a founding member of frankfurt based media lab meso =20 > http://www.meso.net > > = - -----------------------------------------------------------------------=20= > --------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > + lo.rez / hi.rez / and.rez andre.ruello - sansserifgrafik http://www.sansserif.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:27:34 +1100 From: "andre@sansserif.com.au" Subject: (fax) FAXMP3CD good news for fax heads. i think pete plans to rerelease a lot of the older catalog in the new MP3CD series started with Silence.. the next release will be the entire 2350 Broadway series. so this finally puts to rest the quality issues of eMusic and 128k mp3.. rejoice! + sansserifgrafik andre.ruello - junior vice president http://www.sansserif.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:53:06 -0500 From: micah stupak Subject: (fax) hmm... well, is the silence mp3 disc out yet? kind of hard to tell from the emails flying about... it's odd - now that i think about it, i don't really "own" any of the big fax classics. having come in kind of late to the faxing game, all i could find were the stranger releaes nobody would immediately snap up. that really warped my tastes, i suppose. i mean, ain't nobody else who really likes namlook + steve stoll... ;) anyways... nothing new here - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2509421902&category=1577 ________________ micah@benthic.cc www.benthic.cc benthic recordings - soundings from unexplored places ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 20:13:19 -0500 From: Jeff Birgbauer Subject: Re: (fax) FAXMP3CD Andre, how come he isn't releasing them on DVD? thanks jeff On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 07:27 PM, andre@sansserif.com.au wrote: > good news for fax heads. > > i think pete plans to rerelease a lot of the older catalog in the new > MP3CD series started with Silence.. > > the next release will be the entire 2350 Broadway series. > > so this finally puts to rest the quality issues of eMusic and 128k > mp3.. > > rejoice! > > + > sansserifgrafik > andre.ruello - junior vice president > http://www.sansserif.com.au > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 01:29:19 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) FAXMP3CD The dvd has been mentioned many of times. At first I was skeptical about music dvd's. I have since changed my view on that. It would also be rather interesting to see videos on there, or some artistic doodling. I realize that would be a considerable amount of money over the regular music only dvd. I was not overly fond of the 128 kbps idea, and not that I am a big fan of mp3's, but I think that recording at a higher level will greatly improve the music. kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Birgbauer" To: Cc: "Fax List" Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 8:13 PM Subject: Re: (fax) FAXMP3CD > Andre, > how come he isn't releasing them on DVD? > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:45:38 +0100 From: "ivar" Subject: Fw: (fax) FAXMP3CD the mp3cd thing is nice.. what i would like to see the most, though, are more reissues on aw, like organic cloud, datacide 2 and sequential! what are the plans for AW now? I. - ----- Original Message ----- From: andre@sansserif.com.au To: Fax List Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 1:27 AM Subject: (fax) FAXMP3CD good news for fax heads. i think pete plans to rerelease a lot of the older catalog in the new MP3CD series started with Silence.. the next release will be the entire 2350 Broadway series. so this finally puts to rest the quality issues of eMusic and 128k mp3.. rejoice! + sansserifgrafik andre.ruello - junior vice president http://www.sansserif.com.au - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 08:50:24 -0500 From: "Mike Carss" Subject: Re: (fax) FAXMP3CD I really wanted to see Silence 3 re-released on AW. He re-released the first two, and I have 4 and 5. I'm just missing 3 and not willing to spend mucho money on the original. (Though I don't think I've even seen it for sale/trade) Does anyone know if this might happen? Or do I need to buy this MP3 CD to have a high quality version? - -Mike - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ivar" To: Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 4:45 AM Subject: Fw: (fax) FAXMP3CD > > the mp3cd thing is nice.. > > what i would like to see the most, though, are more reissues on aw, like > organic cloud, datacide 2 and sequential! > > what are the plans for AW now? > > > I. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 14:27:24 -0000 From: "Lxacoustics" Subject: Re: (fax) FAXMP3CD I think i would prefer spending my money on a bag of doughnuts..( a large one ).......no offence , mp3 even at hi rates is a compremise based on the idea that what you cant hear you can leave out? its like convenience food , quick to download and great to store.I'm not convinced by it but i'm obsessive about quality and interested in what cant be heard aswell as what can.Leave that out of compress out and you sometimes lose the subtle energy of the piece of music , but this is all based on my own ideas surrounding music being than a little more than just a listening experience or a marketable commodity.Great for demo's and for listening to stuff be before you buy it though amd is a great idea.I guess if you dont think to hard about it or get that deep into it all mp3 at even low rates its fine but i'm obsessive about magic and music and all this mp3 format and cpmpression work i dont think was ever motivated by the want to better music but the want to market or pirate or box it up even more.Maybe i am wrong , i'm sure plenty arnt sure about mp3 and theres a good reason why as it will always be 'less than ' the real thing , even at super hi rates.....the ears may say , thats clear and all fine but the heart tells me it was never created with right intent or devised as a means to make music more potent or a better experience but as i said for 'other ' reasons.Great for the kids and downloaders and i respect it for that.I guess i'm sounding like a right wingnut so i'll leave it there , i have a mate into hi fi gear and valve amps and stuff who grimaced when cd came out ! after years of vinyl , mp3 i think he thinks is a strain of computer virus or something .Seems to be something the music business want to cash in on or control.Great for 5 hour mixes , but it will always be a compremise and for 5 hour mixes i think dvd audio would be way better though dearer for fax to do or for people to buy. cheers, matt > > I was not overly fond of the 128 kbps idea, and > not that I am a big fan of mp3's, but I think > that recording at a higher level will greatly > improve the music. > > kunst und wahnsinn, > jackthetab > > #####\ _ /##### > #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# > ##### | /_woof/ | ##### > #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# > # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # > #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# > #####/ ######/ \###### \##### > /_______________________________________\ > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Birgbauer" > To: > Cc: "Fax List" > Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 8:13 PM > Subject: Re: (fax) FAXMP3CD > > > > Andre, > > how come he isn't releasing them on DVD? > > > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2003 #37 ******************************* --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org