From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2003 #50 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Monday, March 17 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 050 RE: (fax) FAX and RI discs up for Auction on Ebay - take two... Re: (fax) FAX and RI discs up for Auction on Ebay - take two... RE: (fax) FAX and RI discs up for Auction on Ebay - take two... (fax) ebay and pricks Re: (fax) ebay and pricks (fax) re: Fax stuff up for Auction (fax) re: Fax stuff up for Auction Re: (fax) ebay and pricks Re: (fax) re: Fax stuff up for Auction Re: (fax) FAX and RI discs up for Auction on Ebay - take two... Re: (fax) re: Fax stuff up for Auction Re: (fax) re: Fax stuff up for Auction Re: (fax) faxlist and pricks (fax) Can't we all just get along? Re: (fax) ebay and pricks Re: (fax) faxlist and pricks RE: (fax) FAX and RI discs up for Auction on Ebay - take two... Re: (fax) faxlist and pricks RE: (fax) FAX and RI discs up for Auction on Ebay - take two... Re: (fax) faxlist and pricks ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 05:05:25 -0600 From: The REAL Mxyzptlk Subject: RE: (fax) FAX and RI discs up for Auction on Ebay - take two... I'm not really sure what claim you're making, but people indeed DO reset their proxy bids higher with another bid after they are already the higher bidder - so they have a better chance of winning the item. Those bids aren't placed by ebay until someone else makes a higher bid. Maybe I've misunderstood what you're saying, but the fact that someone made another bid while they were already high means nothing and is as common as rain. Much stealthier (also not suspect) and also increasingly common is the use of sniping software, which places a bid for you within a few seconds of the auction end. Using such devices you don't push the bid up until the very end, causing less chance of a bid war - at least until those last few seconds. jeff At 02:39 AM 3/17/2003, Dan Rossi wrote: >http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=2514221143 > >this is really suss > > >in particular > >net_in_2003(31) $139.99 Mar-14-03 07:59:43 PST >net_in_2003(31) $129.99 Mar-14-03 07:59:29 PST >jdcapshew@aol.com(1827) $110.00 Mar-14-03 06:26:18 PST >jdcapshew@aol.com(1827) $101.00 Mar-14-03 06:26:07 PST >jackthetab(422) $77.77 Mar-10-03 10:28:03 PST >both only milliseconds apart , i am pretty annoyyed , nice scam going here , >nobody would ever dare to try jump the price so far without a cunning scheme >involved this always happens on ebay ! i am pissed off , not happy, i >usually make a bid and keep trak of it until near the end , i suppose most >ppl do that unless, there are conflict of interests at play here :\ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 04:13:44 -0800 From: "seeklektek" Subject: Re: (fax) FAX and RI discs up for Auction on Ebay - take two... From: "Dan Rossi" > http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=2514221143 > this is really suss > in particular > net_in_2003(31) $139.99 Mar-14-03 07:59:43 PST > net_in_2003(31) $129.99 Mar-14-03 07:59:29 PST > jdcapshew@aol.com(1827) $110.00 Mar-14-03 06:26:18 PST > jdcapshew@aol.com(1827) $101.00 Mar-14-03 06:26:07 PST > jackthetab(422) $77.77 Mar-10-03 10:28:03 PST > both only milliseconds apart , i am pretty annoyyed , nice scam going here , > nobody would ever dare to try jump the price so far without a cunning scheme > involved this always happens on ebay ! i am pissed off , not happy, i > usually make a bid and keep trak of it until near the end , i suppose most > ppl do that unless, there are conflict of interests at play here :\ None of this bidding is suspicious. All of the these bidders are legit: all of the bidding is legit. bebakus - $152.49 Mar-14-03 08:01:57 PST net_in_2003 - $149.99 Mar-14-03 07:59:58 PST bebakus - $147.00 Mar-14-03 06:20:47 PST net_in_2003 - $139.99 Mar-14-03 07:59:43 PST net_in_2003 - $129.99 Mar-14-03 07:59:29 PST jdcapshew - $110.00 Mar-14-03 06:26:18 PST jdcapshew - $101.00 Mar-14-03 06:26:07 PST jackthetab - $77.77 Mar-10-03 10:28:03 PST At 6:20:47, 'bebakus' bid $147. This amount was not the high-bid amount showing at the time: the high bid was only $78: although 'bebakus' bid a *proxy* of $147, the former high bidder, 'jackthetab', had bid $77.77 as their proxy, so 'bebakus' became the new high bidder, at $78.77, one dollar above the next highest bidder: $1 is the bid increment at that level on ebay, up to $100, so the high bid is only increased by that much money: one dollar. At 6:26:07, 'jdcapshew' bid a proxy of $101.00. Immediately, that bid was outbid by 'bebakus's proxy: 'bebakus' was still the high bidder, but the amount jumped to $103.50. 'jdcapshew' bid immediatley again, in another attempt to become high bidder, and bid a proxy of $110.00, at 6:26:18. That was still not high enough: 'bebakus' had already bid a proxy of $147, so 'bebakus' was now the high bidder at $112.50. Over $100, the bid increment automatically increases to $2.50. At 7:59:29, 'net_in_2003' tried to topple the high bidder, 'bebakus': proxy bid of $129.99 was not enough: tried again immediately, at 7:59:43: still not enough, so immediately again, at 7:59:58, 'net_in_2003' bid their final proxy of $149.99, which was high enough to become the high bid: it was more than $2.50 higher than 'bebakus's proxy. As soon as 'net_in_2003' outbid 'bebakus', ebay sent an email to 'bebakus', informing them that they'd been outbid: that is ebay's Standard-Operating-Procedure: ebay are trying to encourage more bids: their fees rise when final values go up. So, whether 'bebakus' knew that they'd been outbid or they just were monitoring the auction, after being outbid by 'net_in_2003', 'bebakus' came back and put down another proxy bid: the actual amount of 'bebakus's final bid is not necessarily $152.99: that is exactly $2.50 higher than 'net_in_2003's final proxy: ebay automatically raised the bid increment above 'net_in_2003's high bid, by one increment: the likelihood is that 'bebakus' bid much higher than $152.99, but ebay only show the amount that won the auction, not the entire ceiling of the winner's high proxy amount. http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=2514221143 This is *not* a case of shill bidding. This auction appears to me to be 100% legitimate. HTH =) =seek= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:31:05 -0500 (EST) From: Stewart Fritz Subject: RE: (fax) FAX and RI discs up for Auction on Ebay - take two... I think this has been discussed already, but I just wanted to address this, considering this is MY auction we're talking about here. Anyone accusing Jeff Capshew of improper dealing doesn't know him well enough. As has already been discussed, PayPal proxy bidding often creates bids that appear to be placed seconds apart. Also, considering that the winning bidder(net_in_2003) is from Switzerland, and Jeff is from the US, I'd say this is a hopeless case of misplaced frustration and/or wishful thinking. Look, speaking personally, I am sick and tired of all the whining and bitching about eBay. Take this sort of thing off-list. If you don't like eBay, then DON'T USE IT. As has also been pointed out on this very list, ad nauseam, Fax collecting is NOT a cheap hobby. That's just the breaks, and if you don't like it, tough rocks. Get over it. Sorry to be a hard-ass about this, but I think this is the absolute LAST time this topic EVER needs to be brought up on the Faxlist. - --Stewart On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Dan Rossi wrote: > http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=2514221143 > > this is really suss > > > in particular > > net_in_2003(31) $139.99 Mar-14-03 07:59:43 PST > net_in_2003(31) $129.99 Mar-14-03 07:59:29 PST > jdcapshew@aol.com(1827) $110.00 Mar-14-03 06:26:18 PST > jdcapshew@aol.com(1827) $101.00 Mar-14-03 06:26:07 PST > jackthetab(422) $77.77 Mar-10-03 10:28:03 PST > both only milliseconds apart , i am pretty annoyyed , nice scam going here , > nobody would ever dare to try jump the price so far without a cunning scheme > involved this always happens on ebay ! i am pissed off , not happy, i > usually make a bid and keep trak of it until near the end , i suppose most > ppl do that unless, there are conflict of interests at play here :\ > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > - -- stewart fritz...... fax +49-69/450464 reviews... http://www.2350.org/ welcome to the electronic music center ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:59:16 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: (fax) ebay and pricks In a message dated 3/17/03 9:31:17 AM Central Standard Time, qwerty@2350.org writes: << Look, speaking personally, I am sick and tired of all the whining and bitching about eBay. Take this sort of thing off-list. If you don't like eBay, then DON'T USE IT. >> yeah....that's not a bad idea....especially since i have been ripped off too many times to count (especially by overseas bidders and sellers)....not to mention having to deal with ebay sellers who are complete assholes ...especially the ones who think they are clever and get you kicked off (for no apparent reason) but don't realize that you have a network of friends who will gladly let you create screenames (8 and counting on other computers) and use their mailing addresses! you know who you are mr. "clever" ebay seller... and the joke is on you! i have bid on several of your items and already recieved them! thanks! it's least we can do to repay the kindness of getting a friend and my brother (whom the Nazi's at ebay saw fit to kick off just because he had the same damn last name and lived in the same city...pricks!) tsk tsk ...i'd almost feel sorry for you if you weren't such an ass.. have fun! see ya on ebay! hahhahahahahah RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:11:03 -0500 (EST) From: Warren Lapham Subject: Re: (fax) ebay and pricks On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/17/03 9:31:17 AM Central Standard Time, qwerty@2350.org > writes: > > << Look, speaking personally, I am sick and tired of all the whining and > bitching about eBay. Take this sort of thing off-list. If you don't like > eBay, then DON'T USE IT. >> > > yeah....that's not a bad idea... so why are we--err, you--still talking about it? i'd be surprised if there were anyone on the list who wasn't aware that eBay transactions can turn out badly. but even if there were, this STILL isn't an appropriate forum for talking about it. it's immensely frustrating when online transactions go bad -- yes, it's happened to me, too -- but this isn't the "sour grapes" mailing list. it's the faxlist. mail me off-list if you have questions or comments. - -w. - -- http://www.warlap.net/ (now with music blog) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:20:30 -0800 (PST) From: rainbird Subject: (fax) re: Fax stuff up for Auction You scared me there for a minute...I thought someone was suspecting ME of running some sort of scam, as the original subject line encapsulated in the post (but ONLY the subject line) originated in one of my posts. Scam? I barely know how to run an AUCTION! (this is my first.) :) Anyway, it doesn't look as though any of the bids objected to below were on any of MY items. Whew... Lauralee > From: "Dan Rossi" > Subject: RE: (fax) FAX and RI discs up for Auction on Ebay - take two... > > http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=2514221143 > > this is really suss > > > in particular > > net_in_2003(31) $139.99 Mar-14-03 07:59:43 PST > net_in_2003(31) $129.99 Mar-14-03 07:59:29 PST > jdcapshew@aol.com(1827) $110.00 Mar-14-03 06:26:18 PST > jdcapshew@aol.com(1827) $101.00 Mar-14-03 06:26:07 PST > jackthetab(422) $77.77 Mar-10-03 10:28:03 PST > both only milliseconds apart , i am pretty annoyyed , nice scam going here , > nobody would ever dare to try jump the price so far without a cunning scheme > involved this always happens on ebay ! i am pissed off , not happy, i > usually make a bid and keep trak of it until near the end , i suppose most > ppl do that unless, there are conflict of interests at play here :\ > > End of faxlist-digest V2003 #49 > ******************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:20:30 -0800 (PST) From: rainbird Subject: (fax) re: Fax stuff up for Auction You scared me there for a minute...I thought someone was suspecting ME of running some sort of scam, as the original subject line encapsulated in the post (but ONLY the subject line) originated in one of my posts. Scam? I barely know how to run an AUCTION! (this is my first.) :) Anyway, it doesn't look as though any of the bids objected to below were on any of MY items. Whew... Lauralee > From: "Dan Rossi" > Subject: RE: (fax) FAX and RI discs up for Auction on Ebay - take two... > > http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=2514221143 > > this is really suss > > > in particular > > net_in_2003(31) $139.99 Mar-14-03 07:59:43 PST > net_in_2003(31) $129.99 Mar-14-03 07:59:29 PST > jdcapshew@aol.com(1827) $110.00 Mar-14-03 06:26:18 PST > jdcapshew@aol.com(1827) $101.00 Mar-14-03 06:26:07 PST > jackthetab(422) $77.77 Mar-10-03 10:28:03 PST > both only milliseconds apart , i am pretty annoyyed , nice scam going here , > nobody would ever dare to try jump the price so far without a cunning scheme > involved this always happens on ebay ! i am pissed off , not happy, i > usually make a bid and keep trak of it until near the end , i suppose most > ppl do that unless, there are conflict of interests at play here :\ > > End of faxlist-digest V2003 #49 > ******************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:31:20 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: (fax) ebay and pricks well...i made that post because i am extremely angry about some ebay altercations that have taken place directly because of Seekletek.... he blocked me from bidding on his auctions and would never tell me why after i asked over and over for a reason.....contrary to what he believes, i think that i deserved an answer then, while i was sick, a friend of mine bid on a cd for me (i had no idea that he was the seller..i had forgotten all about him) so AFTER i paid for the cd, he freaked out on me! so he reported me to ebay and they threw me off...even though i had already paid...and even though i have NEVER stiffed a seller or a bidder...and to add further insult to injury, ebay (being the bastards that they are) did some digging around and suspended my poor brother's account.....currently, he has no job and has been selling off his rather huge antique toy collection to survive...the reason why they kicked him off? because he has the same last name as me and lives in the same city!!!! THAT is a bunch of crap...and ANY sane person can see that..my brother didn't even know my ebay id... they have accused of some sort of collusion ....they even accused us of shill bidding..which is hilarious because we have never bid on each other's auctions! they should have a record of the bidding lists right in front of their damn faces...but because of one paranoid freak-a-zoid idiot...my brother can't sell for the time being...but you didn't accomplish much Mr. Seek...a switch of a few credit card accounts and things will be back on track....there is always a way around other people's crap... i hope you are happy that your stupidity affected someone else...who was completely innocent.. RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:33:10 -0800 (PST) From: jrw Subject: Re: (fax) re: Fax stuff up for Auction This board has turned into a rarefied Stock Exchange. Music is the commodity and greed or nongreed or suspected greed or the greed of the unsuspected has subsumed any interest I ever had in the musical journey or endeavors of the artists involved. It's pathetic. I don't care if I ever hear another "musical journey" or "sound exploration" or "experiment" again from the FAX label. This list has soured me on any long lasting power of music. I doubt if anyone even listens to their cds. It's like toy collectors who don't even take a doll out of a box but just stick it up on a shelf and hope "the years" will increase its value. jw ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:39:08 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: (fax) FAX and RI discs up for Auction on Ebay - take two... In a message dated 3/17/03 9:31:17 AM Central Standard Time, qwerty@2350.org writes: << Fax collecting is NOT a cheap hobby. That's just the breaks, and if you don't like it, tough rocks. Get over it. >> yes..unfortunately, it is very expensive because of greedy sellers who are scammers on top of it .....i don't care what any of you say, most of those auctions are a complete scam...people got together and shill bidded and drove prices up to create a mystique surrounding those cds...anybody who pay $200.00 to $300.00 for a cd is a complete idiot ....maybe some of these people should go feed a homeless person for a week...buy some self help books on how to get out of the house and meet people and learn social skills....instead sitting on your fat ass hiding behind your computer being a geek.....it's all a complete joke RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:40:24 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: (fax) re: Fax stuff up for Auction i couldn't agree with you more.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:30:53 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: (fax) re: Fax stuff up for Auction In a message dated 3/17/03 11:35:10 AM Central Standard Time, jwietor@mindspring.com writes: << This board has turned into a rarefied Stock Exchange. Music is the commodity and greed or nongreed or suspected greed or the greed of the unsuspected has subsumed any interest I ever had in the musical journey or endeavors of the artists involved. It's pathetic. I don't care if I ever hear another "musical journey" or "sound exploration" or "experiment" again from the FAX label. This list has soured me on any long lasting power of music. >> it is a sad state of affairs....HOWEVER, it IS a shame that you give others so much power over your love of music... RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:43:12 -0500 (EST) From: Warren Lapham Subject: Re: (fax) faxlist and pricks On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > well...i made that post because i am extremely angry about some ebay > altercations that have taken place directly because of Seekletek.... so? it's not appropriate for the list. i don't care if he scratched all of your rare fax CDs, called you at 3 a.m. then hung up, erased your hard drive, drank all of your beer, said nasty things about your mother, stole your girlfriend, shot your dog, poured kerosene on your front lawn, and slashed your car tires. take it up with him, in private. and if you have a problem with me for insisting this, take it up with ME, in private. what's so hard to understand about that? i'm sending this to everyone so that we all understand that it's NOT cool to air dirty laundry on the list. don't drag the list into your vendettas. and, yes, i am still the list administrator, even though i don't post from my 2350.org address. - -w. - -- http://www.warlap.net/ (now with music blog) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:39:53 -0700 From: subLight Subject: (fax) Can't we all just get along? I'm worried that this discussion, though exploring a fair concern, is starting to sour everyone's appetite for Fax by linking the music of Namlook & co to the situation on eBay and the general malaise associated with the recent insanity around prices, the hysteria around supply and demand, as well as the interaction between the people on this list - a group of people that are here to celebrate music and exchange enlightened views. I understand people's frustration. I myself posted on the CUE/EMC selling on eBay issue not too long ago, and I now regret having brought the subject up. This isn't an eBay Fax buyers support list, it's a music appreciation list, and as one of the people who steered it off course - I apologize to the group, and ask if we can get things back on track - exchanging ideas and information about the music, submitting reviews to Warren, and perhaps saving him the trouble of having to gently (and I appreciate the tact Warren) push us back to center when we do veer off course. So much is happening today on Fax - the rebirth of the sublabel, the MP3 reissues that are designed to remove the issue of the eBay insanity, and many new AW releases which are also similarly intended to let us enjoy the music without being completely obsessive over the collecting. My fax collection has grown quite a bit in the last year in particular. Before that I'd just buy a few used records & CD's here and there because I really enjoyed the music, and maybe I'd trade one every once and a while for something that I fancied more. Now I find myself relentlessly buying up all the CD's I can find. I now have a full shelf of CD's, some of which are still sealed and some of which are now "backup" duplicates for trade or god knows what. JW had it right in his post, collecting for the sake of music is one thing, collecting for the sake of collecting is yet another, and it becomes a pointless and thankless science, instead of a pleasure-filled art. Now, there are still a great many great Fax releases available new from a couple of great sources, and there are new releases coming out regularly. Seems to me that we have much more to talk about than eBay. I'm not a particular fan of eBay, but as long as I use it, I recognize that I'm creating demand, and that someone out there will intend to profit from it - and so I can choose whether I want to be a part of that. The answer, for me at the moment, is buying up the AW reissues, existing backstock and MP3 CD's and maybe - if I can't find it anywhere else, I'll treat myself to a copy on eBay if the price and the seller are right. I don't have to have the whole Fax collection, not today, not ever, but every once and a while, when I take a trip to another city, and happen upon a copy of a Fax Cd in a used bin, take it home and love it, I realize that it's just all about having fun and listening to good music. You can't put a price on that, but the great thing is that you don't have to. Christian. At 12:33 PM 3/17/2003 -0800, you wrote: >This board has turned into a rarefied Stock Exchange. >Music is the commodity and greed or nongreed or suspected greed or the >greed of the unsuspected has subsumed any interest I ever had in the >musical journey or endeavors of the artists involved. > >It's pathetic. I don't care if I ever hear another "musical journey" or >"sound exploration" or "experiment" again from the FAX label. This list >has soured me on any long lasting power of music. > >I doubt if anyone even listens to their cds. It's like toy collectors who >don't even take a doll out of a box but just stick it up on a shelf and >hope "the years" will increase its value. > >jw > > > >--- >+ To post: ; to mail a person: >+ To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to >+ Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:50:22 -0000 From: "Lxacoustics" Subject: Re: (fax) ebay and pricks Well thats all outrageous , ebay is a minefield for this.I had a few bad feedbacks on there and i know a guy who was banned for not paying for 2 items ,but to be banned like thats quite sad.Its sad that people have other people banned as for me i make a regular small income off stuff on ebay ( not cd selling related) and this would literally mean i couldnt afford to feed myself.I found ebay personally a life saver for getting a little earner but it is a very hot headed place.Even when people dont pay me for a thing and i have to sell again or re-auction i leave positive feedback !as i dont want negative feedback or people banning me or saying i'm selling dodgy stuff or something and i prefer to take the mellow approach and even though theyd didnt follow thru leave it be...i cant be bothered to leave negative feedback.....Bidding and winning and getting banned for it? now thats enough to crack me up.Some hard hearted people out there.I think they lift bans after a month?or can you appeal ? your brother being banned sounds bizarre.It sounds like ebay investigations department is made up of small little spotty men who were to short in height to be policemen or something or think they work for the fbi ! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 5:31 PM Subject: Re: (fax) ebay and pricks > > > well...i made that post because i am extremely angry about some ebay > altercations that have taken place directly because of Seekletek.... > > he blocked me from bidding on his auctions and would never tell me why after > i asked over and over for a reason.....contrary to what he believes, i think > that i deserved an answer > > then, while i was sick, a friend of mine bid on a cd for me (i had no idea > that he was the seller..i had forgotten all about him) so AFTER i paid for > the cd, he freaked out on me! so he reported me to ebay and they threw me > off...even though i had already > paid...and even though i have NEVER stiffed a seller or a bidder...and to > add further insult to injury, ebay (being the bastards that they are) did > some digging around and suspended my poor brother's account.....currently, he > has no job and has been selling off his rather huge antique toy collection to > survive...the reason why they kicked him off? because he has the same last > name as me and lives in the same city!!!! THAT is a bunch of crap...and ANY > sane person can see that..my brother didn't even know my ebay id... > they have accused of some sort of collusion ....they even accused us of > shill bidding..which is hilarious because we have never bid on each other's > auctions! they should have a record of the bidding lists right in front of > their damn faces...but because of one paranoid freak-a-zoid idiot...my > brother can't sell for the time being...but you didn't accomplish much Mr. > Seek...a switch of a few credit card accounts and things will be back on > track....there is always a way around other people's crap... > > i hope you are happy that your stupidity affected someone else...who was > completely innocent.. > > RL > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:25:09 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: (fax) faxlist and pricks In a message dated 3/17/03 12:43:32 PM Central Standard Time, warren@lapham.org writes: << > well...i made that post because i am extremely angry about some ebay > altercations that have taken place directly because of Seekletek.... so? it's not appropriate for the list. i don't care if he scratched all of your rare fax CDs, called you at 3 a.m. then hung up, erased your hard drive, drank all of your beer, said nasty things about your mother, stole your girlfriend, shot your dog, poured kerosene on your front lawn, and slashed your car tires. take it up with him, in private. >> my, how funny....thank you so much for brightening my day...i am ready to obey and be good... RL p.s. just for the record, i have tried to discuss this in private..to no avail...my apologies for "disrupting" the list...i forgot how difficult it must be to just hit delete on unwanted mail... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 07:06:48 +1100 From: "Dan Rossi" Subject: RE: (fax) FAX and RI discs up for Auction on Ebay - take two... where do i get this software ? i usually snipe manually but i just lost a bid due to the fact it ended at 1am in australia and i was asleep well i had to get to bed to goto work today :| - -----Original Message----- From: The REAL Mxyzptlk [mailto:therealmxyzptlk@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 10:05 PM To: Dan Rossi; faxlist Subject: RE: (fax) FAX and RI discs up for Auction on Ebay - take two... I'm not really sure what claim you're making, but people indeed DO reset their proxy bids higher with another bid after they are already the higher bidder - so they have a better chance of winning the item. Those bids aren't placed by ebay until someone else makes a higher bid. Maybe I've misunderstood what you're saying, but the fact that someone made another bid while they were already high means nothing and is as common as rain. Much stealthier (also not suspect) and also increasingly common is the use of sniping software, which places a bid for you within a few seconds of the auction end. Using such devices you don't push the bid up until the very end, causing less chance of a bid war - at least until those last few seconds. jeff At 02:39 AM 3/17/2003, Dan Rossi wrote: >http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=2514221143 > >this is really suss > > >in particular > >net_in_2003(31) $139.99 Mar-14-03 07:59:43 PST >net_in_2003(31) $129.99 Mar-14-03 07:59:29 PST >jdcapshew@aol.com(1827) $110.00 Mar-14-03 06:26:18 PST >jdcapshew@aol.com(1827) $101.00 Mar-14-03 06:26:07 PST >jackthetab(422) $77.77 Mar-10-03 10:28:03 PST >both only milliseconds apart , i am pretty annoyyed , nice scam going here , >nobody would ever dare to try jump the price so far without a cunning scheme >involved this always happens on ebay ! i am pissed off , not happy, i >usually make a bid and keep trak of it until near the end , i suppose most >ppl do that unless, there are conflict of interests at play here :\ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:13:05 -0500 (EST) From: Warren Lapham Subject: Re: (fax) faxlist and pricks On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > p.s. just for the record, i have tried to discuss this in private..to no > avail...my apologies for "disrupting" the list...i forgot how difficult it > must be to just hit delete on unwanted mail... it's not a question of people hitting delete. in matters of online reputation, public discussion is always a sensitive area. it's important to think two or three times before sending mail along the lines of what's been posted to the list lately. the accusations and threats being tossed about are quite serious. there's a big difference between unwanted and inappropriate. regardless of how fruitful private discussions are, it's still wholly and unequivocably inappropriate to make such accusations on the list -- especially ones as serious as online fraud. eBay is a completely separate entity from anything associated with 2350.org. they have a built-in reputation measurement system. as well as a complaints department. let them handle it. if you don't think they're handling it well, then don't use their services. vote with your dollar, as it were. just don't bitch about it on the faxlist. (i should have cited godwin's law earlier. oh well. if you don't understand what that means, then look it up on google, or just ignore it.) if this discussion escalates -- if the parties involved continute to abuse the list -- i will have no choice but to temporarily shut down the list so that cooler heads may prevail. i hope it doesn't come to that, but this is not an empty threat. i've done it before on another mailing list that i administer. be considerate. and behave. - -w. - -- http://www.warlap.net/ (now with music blog) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 07:37:30 +1100 From: "Dan Rossi" Subject: RE: (fax) FAX and RI discs up for Auction on Ebay - take two... http://www.auctionstealer.com/home.cfm this looks good :D - -----Original Message----- From: The REAL Mxyzptlk [mailto:therealmxyzptlk@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 10:05 PM To: Dan Rossi; faxlist Subject: RE: (fax) FAX and RI discs up for Auction on Ebay - take two... I'm not really sure what claim you're making, but people indeed DO reset their proxy bids higher with another bid after they are already the higher bidder - so they have a better chance of winning the item. Those bids aren't placed by ebay until someone else makes a higher bid. Maybe I've misunderstood what you're saying, but the fact that someone made another bid while they were already high means nothing and is as common as rain. Much stealthier (also not suspect) and also increasingly common is the use of sniping software, which places a bid for you within a few seconds of the auction end. Using such devices you don't push the bid up until the very end, causing less chance of a bid war - at least until those last few seconds. jeff At 02:39 AM 3/17/2003, Dan Rossi wrote: >http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=2514221143 > >this is really suss > > >in particular > >net_in_2003(31) $139.99 Mar-14-03 07:59:43 PST >net_in_2003(31) $129.99 Mar-14-03 07:59:29 PST >jdcapshew@aol.com(1827) $110.00 Mar-14-03 06:26:18 PST >jdcapshew@aol.com(1827) $101.00 Mar-14-03 06:26:07 PST >jackthetab(422) $77.77 Mar-10-03 10:28:03 PST >both only milliseconds apart , i am pretty annoyyed , nice scam going here , >nobody would ever dare to try jump the price so far without a cunning scheme >involved this always happens on ebay ! i am pissed off , not happy, i >usually make a bid and keep trak of it until near the end , i suppose most >ppl do that unless, there are conflict of interests at play here :\ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:48:41 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: (fax) faxlist and pricks In a message dated 3/17/03 2:13:27 PM Central Standard Time, warren@lapham.org writes: << it's not a question of people hitting delete. in matters of online reputation, public discussion is always a sensitive area. it's important to think two or three times before sending mail along the lines of what's been posted to the list lately.>>>>> so it's ok to screw someone over as long as it's done in private? THIS is the problem with the world today...nobody ever speaks up when they are wronged...they just sit idly and accept it... the accusations and threats being tossed about are quite serious. there's a big difference between unwanted and inappropriate.>>>> no accusations...no threats...just truth regardless of how fruitful private discussions are, it's still wholly and unequivocably inappropriate to make such accusations on the list -- especially ones as serious as online fraud.>>>> who said anything about fraud? my money was returned...but damage was done to someone who had nothing to do with the (ridiculous) situation.. eBay is a completely separate entity from anything associated with 2350.org. they have a built-in reputation measurement system. >>>> which sucks ....they almost NEVER punish sellers...because they don't want to lose the ridiculous fees that they pay...have you ever been screwed by a seller and recieved due justice....probably not...because ebay won't help... as well as a complaints department. let them handle it.>>>> yeah...i wouldn't hold my breath.....i have sent 7 e-mails to the proper channels and have been ignored so far.. if you don't think they're handling it well, then don't use their services. vote with your dollar, as it were.>>>> i probably won't...but i will cause a whole lot of havoc first....i won't take this crap.. just don't bitch about it on the faxlist.>>>> fine...i won't mention it again... (i should have cited godwin's law earlier. oh well. if you don't understand what that means, then look it up on google, or just ignore it.)>>>> after all, i couldn't possible "understand" something so complex.... if this discussion escalates -- if the parties involved continute to abuse the list -- i will have no choice but to temporarily shut down the list so that cooler heads may prevail.>>>>> "parties involved"? the cowardly person that speak of hasn't said a word (as usual)..shutting down the list isn't neccessary....this is my last post on the matter...i won't open my mouth again unless it is to blindly praise all things FAX... i hope it doesn't come to that, but this is not an empty threat. i've done it before on another mailing list that i administer.>>> i don't doubt it for one second... be considerate. and behave.>>>> you made you point quite clearly...will do... 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