From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2003 #51 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Tuesday, March 18 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 051 Re: (fax) faxlist and pricks Re: (fax) Can't we all just get along? (fax) Back to the music: DVD sound Re: (fax) FAX and RI discs up for Auction on Ebay - take two...auctionstealer Re: (fax) Back to the music: DVD sound Re: (fax) Back to the music: DVD sound Re: (fax) Back to the music: DVD sound Re: (fax) Back to the music: DVD sound (fax) Info on DVD audio format Re: (fax) Info on DVD audio format Re: (fax) Info on DVD audio format Re: (fax) ebay and pricks Re: (fax) Back to the music: DVD sound Re: (fax) Back to the music: DVD sound Re: (fax) Back to the music: DVD sound (fax) RE: mailletter cue Re: (fax) Back to the music: DVD sound Re: (fax) Back to the music: DVD sound ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:53:10 -0500 (EST) From: Warren Lapham Subject: Re: (fax) faxlist and pricks On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Warren Lapham wrote: > if the parties involved continute to abuse the list a clarification: in order to abuse the list, one must post to the list in an abusive manner. specifically, i was referring to using the list to make accusations of fraud or other suspicious activity involving eBay auctions, but this is certainly not the only topic which would constitute abuse of the list. i'll leave the enumeration of all of those topics as an excercise to the reader. - -w. - -- http://www.warlap.net/ (now with music blog) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:54:45 -0000 From: "Lxacoustics" Subject: Re: (fax) Can't we all just get along? i wish we all could :) .It should be about the music , i think now its all been vented it should all be dropped.People being treated like shite by other people isnt on topic but it enlightens us all to how sad it can all get . occasionally we all feel need to do a mail like this nad let rip.Like breaking wind , no good keeping it in or breaking wind against the wind!.Its all a bit delicate , and been a lively day on the fax list ! Mars is playing the fiddle now for a few months on this little biopshere so best we all dance a merry dance and chill out , keep a firm grip , though not literally ! unless that takes your fancy - on topic..looking forward to hearing some of the 2 new releases in the next few days , sounds like cool stuff.It will also be nice to see namlook dust off that old ems and lose his mind for a moment or 2 of self indulgence...( which we can likewise indulge in) cheers, matt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:00:25 -0700 From: "Skip Acuff" Subject: (fax) Back to the music: DVD sound During the discussion of the Silence MP3 collection, someone suggested that FAX issue these on DVD. I could not agree more. In my home listening environment, I am repeatedly amazed at the higher sound quality of music on DVDs as opposed to my CD player. Seems like FAX should be a leader in publishing music in this format. Has anyone who knows Pete discussed this issue with him? - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- For more information about Lewis and Roca LLP, please go to www.lewisandroca.com. Phoenix (602) 262-5311 Tucson (520) 622-2090 Las Vegas (702) 949-8200 NOTE: This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this E-Mail or by telephone. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:08:51 -0000 From: "Lxacoustics" Subject: Re: (fax) FAX and RI discs up for Auction on Ebay - take two...auctionstealer auctionstealer you have to love the name :) how about robbing bastard software !or ' you craft bastard' sniping software which i think is the term ive used once or twice after being sniped....seems the only way to win some days though.. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Rossi" To: "The REAL Mxyzptlk" ; "faxlist" Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 8:37 PM Subject: RE: (fax) FAX and RI discs up for Auction on Ebay - take two... > http://www.auctionstealer.com/home.cfm this looks good :D > > -----Original Message----- > From: The REAL Mxyzptlk [mailto:therealmxyzptlk@comcast.net] > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 10:05 PM > To: Dan Rossi; faxlist > Subject: RE: (fax) FAX and RI discs up for Auction on Ebay - take two... > > > I'm not really sure what claim you're making, but people indeed DO reset > their proxy bids higher with another bid after they are already the higher > bidder - so they have a better chance of winning the item. Those bids > aren't placed by ebay until someone else makes a higher bid. Maybe I've > misunderstood what you're saying, but the fact that someone made another > bid while they were already high means nothing and is as common as rain. > Much stealthier (also not suspect) and also increasingly common is the use > of sniping software, which places a bid for you within a few seconds of the > auction end. Using such devices you don't push the bid up until the very > end, causing less chance of a bid war - at least until those last few > seconds. > > jeff > > > At 02:39 AM 3/17/2003, Dan Rossi wrote: > >http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=2514221143 > > > >this is really suss > > > > > >in particular > > > >net_in_2003(31) $139.99 Mar-14-03 07:59:43 PST > >net_in_2003(31) $129.99 Mar-14-03 07:59:29 PST > >jdcapshew@aol.com(1827) $110.00 Mar-14-03 06:26:18 PST > >jdcapshew@aol.com(1827) $101.00 Mar-14-03 06:26:07 PST > >jackthetab(422) $77.77 Mar-10-03 10:28:03 PST > >both only milliseconds apart , i am pretty annoyyed , nice scam going here > , > >nobody would ever dare to try jump the price so far without a cunning > scheme > >involved this always happens on ebay ! i am pissed off , not happy, i > >usually make a bid and keep trak of it until near the end , i suppose most > >ppl do that unless, there are conflict of interests at play here :\ > > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:13:15 -0000 From: "Lxacoustics" Subject: Re: (fax) Back to the music: DVD sound I think in time this is a market some will explore .I know a few guys on ambient labels thinking about it , it looks very viable , just not a large enough market to cover the minimum press i think? i'm sure in the future it will happen , though the mp3 series is a workable solution ;) cheers, matt - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Acuff" To: Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:00 PM Subject: (fax) Back to the music: DVD sound > During the discussion of the Silence MP3 collection, someone suggested > that FAX issue these on DVD. I could not agree more. In my home > listening environment, I am repeatedly amazed at the higher sound > quality of music on DVDs as opposed to my CD player. Seems like FAX > should be a leader in publishing music in this format. Has anyone who > knows Pete discussed this issue with him? > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - > For more information about Lewis and Roca LLP, please go to > www.lewisandroca.com. > > Phoenix (602) 262-5311 > Tucson (520) 622-2090 > Las Vegas (702) 949-8200 > > NOTE: This message is intended only for the use of the individual or > entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not > the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for > delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly > prohibited. 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What other group of listeners would be a better potential market for music DVDs? >>> "Lxacoustics" 03/17/03 02:13PM >>> I think in time this is a market some will explore .I know a few guys on ambient labels thinking about it , it looks very viable , just not a large enough market to cover the minimum press i think? i'm sure in the future it will happen , though the mp3 series is a workable solution ;) cheers, matt - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Acuff" To: Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:00 PM Subject: (fax) Back to the music: DVD sound > During the discussion of the Silence MP3 collection, someone suggested > that FAX issue these on DVD. I could not agree more. In my home > listening environment, I am repeatedly amazed at the higher sound > quality of music on DVDs as opposed to my CD player. Seems like FAX > should be a leader in publishing music in this format. 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If all FAX people are not audiophiles > in the fanatic $4,000 > turntable sense (I certainly am not), I'd wager > that they all care more > about high quality sound reproduction than the > average listener, and > that a majority own DVD players. What other group > of listeners would be > a better potential market for music DVDs? > > >>> "Lxacoustics" > 03/17/03 02:13PM >>> > I think in time this is a market some will explore > .I know a few guys > on > ambient labels thinking about it , it looks very > viable , just not a > large > enough market > to cover the minimum press i think? i'm sure in the > future it will > happen , > though the mp3 series is a workable solution ;) > > cheers, > > matt > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Skip Acuff" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:00 PM > Subject: (fax) Back to the music: DVD sound > > > > During the discussion of the Silence MP3 > collection, someone > suggested > > that FAX issue these on DVD. I could not agree > more. In my home > > listening environment, I am repeatedly amazed at > the higher sound > > quality of music on DVDs as opposed to my CD > player. Seems like > FAX > > should be a leader in publishing music in this > format. Has anyone > who > > knows Pete discussed this issue with him? > > > > > > > - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > For more information about Lewis and Roca LLP, > please go to > > www.lewisandroca.com. > > > > Phoenix (602) 262-5311 > > Tucson (520) 622-2090 > > Las Vegas (702) 949-8200 > > > > NOTE: This message is intended only for the use > of the individual > or > > entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of > this message is > not > > the intended recipient, or the employee or agent > responsible for > > delivering the message to the intended recipient, > you are hereby > notified > > that any dissemination, distribution or copying of > this message is > strictly > > prohibited. 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I believe there is a special DVD sound-only format that requires a player configured for it. However, the sound on certain motion picture DVDs, "I Am Sam" is a good example, played on a normal DVD player is for me strikingly better than CD sound. >>> John Whitney 03/17/03 02:27PM >>> Do you need a special DVD Audio player to play DVD Audio, or do they work on any cheapo player? John W. - --- Skip Acuff wrote: > Well, the DVD format has grown faster than any other > electronic product > in history. If all FAX people are not audiophiles > in the fanatic $4,000 > turntable sense (I certainly am not), I'd wager > that they all care more > about high quality sound reproduction than the > average listener, and > that a majority own DVD players. What other group > of listeners would be > a better potential market for music DVDs? > > >>> "Lxacoustics" > 03/17/03 02:13PM >>> > I think in time this is a market some will explore > .I know a few guys > on > ambient labels thinking about it , it looks very > viable , just not a > large > enough market > to cover the minimum press i think? i'm sure in the > future it will > happen , > though the mp3 series is a workable solution ;) > > cheers, > > matt > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Skip Acuff" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:00 PM > Subject: (fax) Back to the music: DVD sound > > > > During the discussion of the Silence MP3 > collection, someone > suggested > > that FAX issue these on DVD. I could not agree > more. In my home > > listening environment, I am repeatedly amazed at > the higher sound > > quality of music on DVDs as opposed to my CD > player. Seems like > FAX > > should be a leader in publishing music in this > format. 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John W. - --- Skip Acuff wrote: > According to the FAQ section at this site, a regular > DVD player cannot > take full advantage of the DVD-Audio format: > http://www.digitalaudioguide.com/faq/dvd-audio/faq_intro.htm > > - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > For more information about Lewis and Roca LLP, > please go to > www.lewisandroca.com. > > Phoenix (602) 262-5311 > Tucson (520) 622-2090 > Las Vegas (702) 949-8200 > > NOTE: This message is intended only for the use of > the individual or > entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of > this message is not > the intended recipient, or the employee or agent > responsible for > delivering the message to the intended recipient, > you are hereby notified > that any dissemination, distribution or copying of > this message is strictly > prohibited. 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As someone who has as much gear wired up digitally as possible, I have to laugh at the idea of creating a special enhanced audio format only to cripple its only means of playback - but this may have changed since I last looked at this & decided it was not for me. cheers, Christian. At 02:40 PM 3/17/2003 -0700, you wrote: >According to the FAQ section at this site, a regular DVD player cannot >take full advantage of the DVD-Audio format: >http://www.digitalaudioguide.com/faq/dvd-audio/faq_intro.htm > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >For more information about Lewis and Roca LLP, please go to >www.lewisandroca.com. > > Phoenix (602) 262-5311 > Tucson (520) 622-2090 > Las Vegas (702) 949-8200 > >NOTE: This message is intended only for the use of the individual or >entity to which it is addressed. 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Well, whomever that person is has *your* money..... jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:02:57 -0800 From: "sanvara" Subject: Re: (fax) Back to the music: DVD sound > Good question. I believe there is a special DVD sound-only format that > requires a player configured for it. However, the sound on certain > motion picture DVDs, "I Am Sam" is a good example, played on a normal > DVD player is for me strikingly better than CD sound. Wouldn't that be a Dolby 5.1 mix of music? - Music that plays back is 6 separate channels rather than the normal 2 stereo mix. There are quite a few CD's that have been released as DVD Audio with a 5.1 mix. Any DVD player that is hooked up to a dolby 5.1 speaker system will play these. The player doesn't need any special configuration but the amp or receiver must by Dolby 5.1 compatible and have the 6 speaker system. DVD-audio played on a two speaker system won't sound any better than a CD, but if you have a Dolby 5.1 system/speaker set-up it can sound much better than a 2 channel CD mix. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:46:57 -0800 (PST) From: John Whitney Subject: Re: (fax) Back to the music: DVD sound - --- sanvara wrote: > DVD-audio played on a two > speaker system won't sound any better than a CD, but > if you have a Dolby 5.1 > system/speaker set-up it can sound much better than > a 2 channel CD mix. Wait, now I'm confused. I was under the impression that DVD-Audio offered a 2-channel option that was far superior to CD-quality sound (reproduced at some ridiculous bit rate, so high-quality that it takes up an entire DVD). I thought the 5-channel recordings were a different feature of DVD-Audio altogether. I think you can get the 5-channel surround mix OR you can get a 2-channel mix that features this supposed new amazing sound definition. Am I way off here? John W. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:32:44 -0800 From: "sanvara" Subject: Re: (fax) Back to the music: DVD sound > --- sanvara wrote: > > DVD-audio played on a two > > speaker system won't sound any better than a CD, but > > if you have a Dolby 5.1 > > system/speaker set-up it can sound much better than > > a 2 channel CD mix. > > Wait, now I'm confused. I was under the impression > that DVD-Audio offered a 2-channel option that was far > superior to CD-quality sound (reproduced at some > ridiculous bit rate, so high-quality that it takes up > an entire DVD). I thought the 5-channel recordings > were a different feature of DVD-Audio altogether. I > think you can get the 5-channel surround mix OR you > can get a 2-channel mix that features this supposed > new amazing sound definition. I'm not a DVD sound expert but I do know that the DVD-audio option that is a really high bit rate and takes up a ridiculous amount of space on DVD's (compared to Dolby 5.1 mixes and 2 channel stereo mixes) is the DTS DVD audio option. DTS audio is a full 6 channel mixes just like Dolby 5.1. There is some debate as to whether the DTS soundtracks really sound better than Dolby 5.1 mixes. Some people say yes, other say they hear no difference. But DTS sound is definately something different than a 2 channel stereo mix. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:01:19 +0100 From: "benny van rooy" Subject: (fax) RE: mailletter cue Hi, i've just received a newsletter from cue. new releases are coming up: Pete Namlook & Tetsue Inoue : 2350 broadway collection mp3 002 Bill Laswell & Pete Namlook : The psychonavigation series mp3 003 Pete Namlook & Jochem Paap : Namlook/Paap pw 46 I've listened and compared the silence mp3-series with the original discs I have. I think the encoding is very good. It's hard to tell the difference. regards ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:44:35 -0000 From: "Lxacoustics" Subject: Re: (fax) Back to the music: DVD sound Hi all, for me the main benefits would be high quality and also the longer play times.I guess if i had a b/b 5.1 system and namlook or other artists started to encode there music or do mixes to 5.1 or something this would be very cool .Its a major undertaking to do that , not hard to do , just very different from a convention mix.It would be easy to do a simply converstion where you mirror the stereo trks into the rear fields and would sound amazing.I guess it all comes down to what the intention would be for having music in dvd format , 1 / to be able to get much longer listening sessions or mixes 2/ to have some forms of simply surrround or 3 / to have full blown 5.1 mixes with dynamic panning and stuff on seperate parts (the 3rd one i havent heards of any musicians doing aside from film and vr work)For me its just about making the music experience as immersive as possible , headphones have helped but i recently caught a film on a new b/o surround system !(i wish.....) and the sound on the adverts was enough to make me realise that any half decent chilled stuff would sound amazing even if you only sent the stereo channels to the rear also with a little eq seperation.I'm sure in the future we'll see home systems broaden out and the tv systems will expand outwards....the biggest issue is space.Surround needs space , more than stereo i find.Dvd just as a stereo system is cool though its only benefits would be for longer play times?quality wise i'm happy with cd audio, >that plays back is 6 > separate channels rather than the normal 2 stereo mix. There are quite a few > CD's that have been released as DVD Audio with a 5.1 mix. i hadnt come across any apart from queens greatest hits i think? though i didnt buy ! i was think more abstract / idm and chilled stuff .. is anyone doing 5.1 mixes in this field? cheers matt ps.now thats a thought , some clasic fax recoded to 5.1 or re-mastered.I bet namlooks still has the audio?or mix sessions...maybe not!he would need very large hd... > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:51:06 -0000 From: "Lxacoustics" Subject: Re: (fax) Back to the music: DVD sound for me dvd has to be about surround 5.1 mixes really or for extended players....as long as i can get the same quality as on a cd i would be happy...ideally it would be great to see a whole new field of chilled music made with 5.1 mix techniques but i dont know more than 1 person with a 5.1 system.........would be nice though but again , its takes a some time to do these kind of dynamic mixes and is quite a job. cheers, matt - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Whitney" To: "sanvara" ; Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 3:46 AM Subject: Re: (fax) Back to the music: DVD sound > --- sanvara wrote: > > DVD-audio played on a two > > speaker system won't sound any better than a CD, but > > if you have a Dolby 5.1 > > system/speaker set-up it can sound much better than > > a 2 channel CD mix. > > Wait, now I'm confused. I was under the impression > that DVD-Audio offered a 2-channel option that was far > superior to CD-quality sound (reproduced at some > ridiculous bit rate, so high-quality that it takes up > an entire DVD). I thought the 5-channel recordings > were a different feature of DVD-Audio altogether. I > think you can get the 5-channel surround mix OR you > can get a 2-channel mix that features this supposed > new amazing sound definition. > > Am I way off here? > > John W. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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