From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2003 #65 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Tuesday, April 8 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 065 (fax) Retro overkill Re: (fax) Retro overkill Re: (fax) Retro overkill RE: (fax) Retro overkill (fax) hey mr. dj, can you play that again? and again? (fax) hey Pete, do it like you always do. (fax) otodisc #2 (fax) OT: KöNER's Blue Circle (fax) Deja vu (fax) Inoue FAX on eBay (fax) Dark Side of the Moog 8 Re: (fax) hey mr. dj, can you play that again? and again? Re: (fax) hey Pete, do it like you always do. Re: (fax) hey Pete, do it like you always do. Re: (fax) hey Pete, do it like you always do. Re: (fax) hey Pete, do it like you always do. Re: (fax) hey Pete, do it like you always do. Re: (fax) hey Pete, do it like you always do. Re: (fax) hey Pete, do it like you always do. (fax) Elixir of Life review Re: (fax) hey Pete, do it like you always do. Re: (fax) hey Pete, do it like you always do. Re: (fax) hey Pete, do it like you always do. RE: (fax) Inoue FAX on eBay ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 09:30:35 +0100 From: Paul Milligan Subject: (fax) Retro overkill Hey, why don't Fax compress their entire catalogue, stick it on a DVD, flog it for $199 and have done with it? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 02:10:00 -0700 From: "sanvara" Subject: Re: (fax) Retro overkill Some rights may no longer belong to Fax. All the artists would have to agree. That's incredibly inexpensive at less than $1 per CD. Also it would make it very easy to bootleg the entire catalog. Not many people will shell out $200 vs the number of people that would bootleg it. > Hey, why don't Fax compress their entire catalogue, stick > it on a DVD, flog it for $199 and have done with it? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 10:33:13 +0100 From: Paul Milligan Subject: Re: (fax) Retro overkill > Some rights may no longer belong to Fax. All the artists would have to > agree. That's incredibly inexpensive at less than $1 per CD. Also it would > make it very easy to bootleg the entire catalog. Not many people will shell > out $200 vs the number of people that would bootleg it. >> Hey, why don't Fax compress their entire catalogue, stick >> it on a DVD, flog it for $199 and have done with it? I was being facetious. Getting a bit bored of the re-releases, reissued re-releases, re-mixes, re-translations, compilations and now whole series dumped on one disc. How about a bit more genuinely new stuff. Take issue with me but I'm just being honest. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 23:21:01 +1000 From: "Dan Rossi" Subject: RE: (fax) Retro overkill if i ever make it to fax level hopefully one of my releases :D - -----Original Message----- From: owner-faxlist@2350.org [mailto:owner-faxlist@2350.org]On Behalf Of Paul Milligan Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 7:33 PM To: faxlist@2350.org Subject: Re: (fax) Retro overkill > Some rights may no longer belong to Fax. All the artists would have to > agree. That's incredibly inexpensive at less than $1 per CD. Also it would > make it very easy to bootleg the entire catalog. Not many people will shell > out $200 vs the number of people that would bootleg it. >> Hey, why don't Fax compress their entire catalogue, stick >> it on a DVD, flog it for $199 and have done with it? I was being facetious. Getting a bit bored of the re-releases, reissued re-releases, re-mixes, re-translations, compilations and now whole series dumped on one disc. How about a bit more genuinely new stuff. Take issue with me but I'm just being honest. - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 07:29:11 -0700 (PDT) From: ambient Subject: (fax) hey mr. dj, can you play that again? and again? > Hey, why don't Fax compress their entire catalogue? ..why >doesn't< FAX compress the entire catalog. cause that would be boring. and pete namlook is innovative. the booklet that came with silence 1-5 is wonderful. forget the music for a moment, the ingenious concept and artwork alone (especially pre AW with the sometimes reversable alter covers) are magnificent. i first got into FAX around 1995, and it has been the best label surviving the times. (i wonder where Recycle would be if it has P.N. was at the head?) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 07:48:52 -0700 (PDT) From: ambient Subject: (fax) hey Pete, do it like you always do. - --- Paul Milligan wrote: > I was being facetious. backpedal-ing are we? > > Getting a bit bored of the re-releases, reissued > re-releases, re-mixes, > re-translations, compilations and now whole series dumped > on one disc. your continued distaste and comtempt to the label concerning this does nothing to help FAX create new music. MP3CD and ACII bring funds, period. pete would most likely purchase new equipment and have a more comfortable life as the sales for these reissues reach his wallet. in turn, he'd have more free time to make new music. so, just relax, chillout and let the owner do what he wants with his creation. > How about a bit more genuinely new stuff. > > Take issue with me but I'm just being honest. honesty?, is that what you call it? Do you realize that this is a 10 year anniversary for FAX. Damn, i hope you are better to your wife at your 10-year anniversary? You could even take her to some of the places that you used to go to, when you first met! (ya know, a trip down memory lane or would that date pass like another birthday?) ,scoUt PS. i think that i am too old for most clicks/cuts/glitch? (it always seems to be someone younger than me getting into this stuff???i dont get it.) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 08:13:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Phonaut Subject: (fax) otodisc #2 Just a little heads up... I received word from Tetsu over the weekend that Otodisc release #2 will be coming out shortly, so keep your eyes peeled for it. I should have more details on that later this week. Also, an update of the Official Inoue site at Hyperreal is in the works. The appearance and navigation are being changed and some new soundbytes will be implemented. Just a few changes to celebrate the second release on Otodisc and the 8 hours of older Fax work that Namlook has reissued in the last month. l8r, n/p np- Meam lp (Skam) ===== http://web.math.luc.edu/~njurcin/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 08:57:04 -0700 (PDT) From: ambient Subject: (fax) OT: KöNER's Blue Circle with all of my raving and hoping in the past for a collaboration between Namlook and Köner, i wonder about the latest release by Köner. It is so coincidental that the Blue Circle appears on the cover. It is almost as if Köner did it deliberately. I wonder, did Namlook have a demo of it and choose not to release it....and when it became a release on MP, did Köner use a blue circle just for fun?? (and of course i know that a blue circle isn't a patented and copywriten to FAX..) interesting.... http://shop.force-inc.com/jump.php4?aid=MP118 ,scoUt __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 17:04:43 +0100 From: Paul Milligan Subject: (fax) Deja vu >> I was being facetious. > backpedal-ing are we? Er, no, I *was* joking; as stated. I'm hardly likely to (seriously) promote putting the entire catalogue onto one DVD a couple of days after I've just gone on record as saying that imo putting the mp3's of a whole series onto one cd is a gimmick. Clearly the 'humour' went over at least two heads. > your continued distaste and comtempt to the label Pardon? > so, just relax, chillout and let the owner do what he wants Ever heard the saying "People in glass houses... >> Take issue with me but I'm just being honest. > honesty?, is that what you call it? Yes. > Damn, i hope you are better to your wife at your 10-year > anniversary? It's been and gone thanks. (... and you didn't even send me a card!) > ... I dont get it. Poignant or what. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 13:08:34 -0400 (EDT) From: alucas@telerama.com Subject: (fax) Inoue FAX on eBay Hey there... Speaking of Tetsu, I have a coulpla Fax CDs up on eBay, as well as an em:t comp and some other stuff you might all find interesting. http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=alucas@telerama.com Cheers, Alan np:Mad Caddies "Just One More" (Can't listen to Fax ALL the time, right? ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 12:48:15 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: (fax) Dark Side of the Moog 8 does anyone know where i could still purchase Dark Side of the Moog 8 ??? it's the only one that i am missing....PBE and EARrational no longer have it...and ebay can kiss my ass... any help would be appreciated! thanks, Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 13:46:19 -0400 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) hey mr. dj, can you play that again? and again? that would be boring you say? than does that make the silence series boring too? I am not sure I understand what would make the whole catalogue boring, yet the silence series you find acceptable? I am not so sure about the innovative part either. His music is deff innovative. There are not many artists who can create artistic ambient as Namlook has, however his innovation stops there. Packaging has it's issues. (not to mention I shame you scoUt for your support of mp3's). kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ambient" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 10:29 AM Subject: (fax) hey mr. dj, can you play that again? and again? > > > Hey, why don't Fax compress their entire catalogue? > > > ..why >doesn't< FAX compress the entire catalog. > > cause that would be boring. > > and pete namlook is innovative. > the booklet that came with silence 1-5 is wonderful. > forget the music for a moment, the ingenious concept and > artwork alone (especially pre AW with the sometimes > reversable alter covers) are magnificent. > > i first got into FAX around 1995, and it has been the best > label surviving the times. (i wonder where Recycle would > be if it has P.N. was at the head?) > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://tax.yahoo.com > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 13:53:53 -0400 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) hey Pete, do it like you always do. <<>> And funds bring greed! If Namlook wanted to re-release some of his works, he should have done it on a regular cd. I do not want to start an mp3 thread, that would be beating a dead horse. I think that a cd would be more functional. Basically an mp3 is completely worthless in the end. I am also confused. If the AW series is not limited, why is there a need to release mp3's? Not to mention mp3's were meant to be free, not someone charging a ridiculous price. besides, a mixed cd is not innovative! >>> so, just relax, chillout and let the owner do what he wants >>> with his creation. The customer is always right. People need to listen to this audience more (I am not commenting on Namlook, but the comment above in general). kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ambient" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 10:48 AM Subject: (fax) hey Pete, do it like you always do. > --- Paul Milligan wrote: > > I was being facetious. > > backpedal-ing are we? > > > > > Getting a bit bored of the re-releases, reissued > > re-releases, re-mixes, > > re-translations, compilations and now whole series dumped > > on one disc. > > your continued distaste and comtempt to the label > concerning this does nothing to help FAX create new music. > MP3CD and ACII bring funds, period. > > pete would most likely purchase new equipment and have a > more comfortable life as the sales for these reissues reach > his wallet. in turn, he'd have more free time to make new > music. > > so, just relax, chillout and let the owner do what he wants > with his creation. > > > > How about a bit more genuinely new stuff. > > > > Take issue with me but I'm just being honest. > > honesty?, is that what you call it? > > > Do you realize that this is a 10 year anniversary for FAX. > > > Damn, i hope you are better to your wife at your 10-year > anniversary? > You could even take her to some of the places that you used > to go to, when you first met! > (ya know, a trip down memory lane or would that date pass > like another birthday?) > > ,scoUt > > PS. i think that i am too old for most clicks/cuts/glitch? > (it always seems to be someone younger than me getting into > this stuff???i dont get it.) > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://tax.yahoo.com > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:27:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen Philips" Subject: Re: (fax) hey Pete, do it like you always do. ambient@yahoo.com wrote: >>>> so, just relax, chillout and let the owner do what he wants >>>> with his creation. "jackthetab" wrote: > The customer is always right. People need to listen to this > audience more (I am not commenting on Namlook, but the comment > above in general). Pete as the musician should not care what people think. He should follow his own creative muse. Fax as a label (and in the *business* of making money) should at least listen to the audience to some extent. Wheather or not they do what the "fans" want is either making a smart buisness decision or not, depending on your perspective. Stephen Philips Dark Duck Records e | music@darkduck.net web | http://www.darkduck.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:32:44 -0400 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) hey Pete, do it like you always do. I agree. It is not up to Namlook to change what he wants to do, yet it is the labels responsibility to listen (somewhat) to its audience. kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Philips" To: Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 2:27 PM Subject: Re: (fax) hey Pete, do it like you always do. > Pete as the musician should not care what people think. He should follow > his own creative muse. Fax as a label (and in the *business* of making > money) should at least listen to the audience to some extent. Wheather or > not they do what the "fans" want is either making a smart buisness > decision or not, depending on your perspective. > > > Stephen Philips ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:35:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen Philips" Subject: Re: (fax) hey Pete, do it like you always do. "jackthetab" wrote: > I agree. It is not up to Namlook to change what > he wants to do, yet it is the labels responsibility > to listen (somewhat) to its audience. Yes, and a major conflict when the label's owner is also the primary releasing artist. Stephen Philips Dark Duck Records e | music@darkduck.net web | http://www.darkduck.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 19:50:35 +0100 From: "Richard" Subject: Re: (fax) hey Pete, do it like you always do. Surely when the owner of a label is also the main contributing artist, it's easier to implement change in the output of a label, take things in a different direction or whatever... I would have thought of this as being a bonus rather than a major conflict. The biggest issue around re-releases etc is the limited run initially on the original release. I would have thought that Fax' output would have gone up a few thousand per release to catch up with demand... Maybe I'm completely wrong, but it's my tuppence worth... Rich - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Philips" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 7:35 PM Subject: Re: (fax) hey Pete, do it like you always do. > > "jackthetab" wrote: > > I agree. It is not up to Namlook to change what > > he wants to do, yet it is the labels responsibility > > to listen (somewhat) to its audience. > > > Yes, and a major conflict when the label's owner is also the primary > releasing artist. > > > Stephen Philips > Dark Duck Records > e | music@darkduck.net > web | http://www.darkduck.net > > > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 12:33:57 -0700 From: "sanvara" Subject: Re: (fax) hey Pete, do it like you always do. > <<>> > > And funds bring greed! > If Namlook wanted to re-release some of his works, > he should have done it on a regular cd. I do not > want to start an mp3 thread, that would be beating > a dead horse. I think that a cd would be more functional. > > Basically an mp3 is completely worthless in the end. > > I am also confused. If the AW series is not limited, why > is there a need to release mp3's? Not to mention mp3's > were meant to be free, not someone charging a ridiculous > price. jackthetab, don't take this personally, you are ok in my book, we just have a difference of opinion on this topic. And it's not just you I am referring to. Not this again. I thought we went through the mp3 debate already.Worthless to you but not to many other people. MP3's at 256+ are worthwhile to many people. Why keep bringing the same issue up over and over again? I think it's fine to voice a negative opinion on something but why keep repeating the same thing? Are you upset because you want to be a completist and buy everything but you can't stand to buy an MP3 CD so you have to keep venting about it to get it off your chest? :-) If it's that upsetting then just don't buy it. Do these unappealing releases affect anyones life in any way? Some people act like reissues, MP3 CD's, or CD releases they don't like are causing them personal frustration, hardship and pain. If these release do have this affect on anyone I'd be fascinated in hearing why. Boredom with reissues not a good reason for one person to keep subjecting the list to the same broken record of complaints that offers no new insight or opinions. (That wasn't directed at you jack). If some Fax release doesn't appeal to an individual personally it doesn't make it worthless. The world doesn't revolve around one ot two people's individual tastes, likes and dislikes. Believe it or not there are many people who like the Silence MP3 CD reissue. There are many people who like the Y&T releases. There are many more people who like them or don't care than those that are upset about it. Some people want to support the label, own the Silence series in sound quality that is indistinguishable from the wav files (for 99% of people) and not shell out $75 for 5 x CD's. There are some people that can't afford to buy all the CD's they want but can justify scraping together $25 for five albums worth of material and they are still supporting the label in the process. Truly independent labels and artists should be supported, not downloaded for free. Downloads of music by independent labels and artists should be to sample music and then people should buy it if they like it. Other people want to own all five albums at a lower price and don't care about sound quality differences that they can't hear. It doesn't make sense to keep dozens of reissues in print if sales are low for each individual release once a core audience has purchased the releases. If this was an issue of greed I think Peter would have started creating some more commercial music that is actually going to sell more than 2000-3000 copies. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 13:44:24 -0600 From: David Wade-Stein Subject: Re: (fax) hey Pete, do it like you always do. On Tuesday, April 8, 2003, at 11:53 AM, jackthetab wrote: > <<>> > > And funds bring greed! > If Namlook wanted to re-release some of his works, > he should have done it on a regular cd. I do not > want to start an mp3 thread, that would be beating > a dead horse. I think that a cd would be more functional. I think we've covered this, haven't we? One CD is cheaper to reproduce than 5 individual CDs. And cheaper for the fans to buy. $23 or so for 5 CDs worth of music is a nice deal. > Basically an mp3 is completely worthless in the end. That's your opinion, but I believe you're in the minority. The MP3 CDs are selling well. > I am also confused. If the AW series is not limited, why > is there a need to release mp3's? Not to mention mp3's > were meant to be free, not someone charging a ridiculous > price. Just because the AW series is limited doesn't mean it's free to press more of them. Should Pete continue to repress all the AW releases when they sell out, just because they are unlimited? That would get very expensive, and I'd be willing to bet Pete would be stuck with a lot of them. Witness the AW reissue of Shades of Orion, for example. There are plenty of those still unsold. MP3s were "meant to be free"...what does that mean? So Pete should just give away his music in MP3 format? I still defy you to tell the difference between the MP3 CDs Pete has released so far and the original. In a BLIND A-B test. And you know what, even if you can tell the difference, *most* people can't. So *most* people would be perfectly happy with the sound quality. Pete is doing something that will please most people, therefore it's a wise choice in my decision. Yes, if you have the original CDs, you don't need the MP3 CDs. Yes, if you can tell the difference sonically, you don't want the MP3 CDs. But for the rest of us, it's an economical way to get Jet Chamber I-V (or whatever) on a single CD. How you can call $23 a "ridiculous price" for 5 albums is beyond me. Oh, and yes, Pete is making money on MP3 CDs. Profit is not a dirty word. I already posted a length diatribe postulating what Namlook makes in a year and it ain't all that much. If he can sell 500 or 1000 MP3 CDs and make some money in the process, why is that a problem? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 13:53:26 -0600 From: David Wade-Stein Subject: (fax) Elixir of Life review This review of Anthony Rother's CD was passed on to me. I think it might be of interest to some of you: http://www.atome.com/en_home.php?page_type=2&item_id=1256 Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 15:57:38 -0400 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) hey Pete, do it like you always do. You think $23 for mp3's is a good price?????? I do not understand why people want to pay for mp3's? Making money off mp3's is great! No effort is needed to make these. Again, people are only into the quantity of the music, and certainly not the quality. If Namlook is having money problems, then maybe he should change his label, not the format in which he releases them. Most people cannot tell the difference between a real cd and an mp3 cd is very true. I for one can hear the difference in many (not all) of the mp3 cd's. I am not an expert, but when you have a trained ear, you can tell when something is missing. So maybe mp3 albums are good. While the following sheep crowd goes for the mp3 series, then that leaves the rest of us to get the originals. So if the AW series is sold out, then indeed it is limited to a certain number. What is the exact, or nearby number in which the AW series is produced? kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Wade-Stein" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 3:44 PM Subject: Re: (fax) hey Pete, do it like you always do. > > On Tuesday, April 8, 2003, at 11:53 AM, jackthetab wrote: > > > <<>> > > > > And funds bring greed! > > If Namlook wanted to re-release some of his works, > > he should have done it on a regular cd. I do not > > want to start an mp3 thread, that would be beating > > a dead horse. I think that a cd would be more functional. > > I think we've covered this, haven't we? One CD is cheaper to reproduce > than 5 individual CDs. And cheaper for the fans to buy. $23 or so for 5 > CDs worth of music is a nice deal. > > > Basically an mp3 is completely worthless in the end. > > That's your opinion, but I believe you're in the minority. The MP3 CDs > are selling well. > > > I am also confused. If the AW series is not limited, why > > is there a need to release mp3's? Not to mention mp3's > > were meant to be free, not someone charging a ridiculous > > price. > > Just because the AW series is limited doesn't mean it's free to press > more of them. Should Pete continue to repress all the AW releases when > they sell out, just because they are unlimited? That would get very > expensive, and I'd be willing to bet Pete would be stuck with a lot of > them. Witness the AW reissue of Shades of Orion, for example. There are > plenty of those still unsold. > > MP3s were "meant to be free"...what does that mean? So Pete should just > give away his music in MP3 format? > > I still defy you to tell the difference between the MP3 CDs Pete has > released so far and the original. In a BLIND A-B test. And you know > what, even if you can tell the difference, *most* people can't. So > *most* people would be perfectly happy with the sound quality. Pete is > doing something that will please most people, therefore it's a wise > choice in my decision. > > Yes, if you have the original CDs, you don't need the MP3 CDs. > Yes, if you can tell the difference sonically, you don't want the MP3 > CDs. > > But for the rest of us, it's an economical way to get Jet Chamber I-V > (or whatever) on a single CD. How you can call $23 a "ridiculous price" > for 5 albums is beyond me. > > Oh, and yes, Pete is making money on MP3 CDs. Profit is not a dirty > word. I already posted a length diatribe postulating what Namlook makes > in a year and it ain't all that much. If he can sell 500 or 1000 MP3 > CDs and make some money in the process, why is that a problem? > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:09:31 -0600 From: David Wade-Stein Subject: Re: (fax) hey Pete, do it like you always do. On Tuesday, April 8, 2003, at 01:57 PM, jackthetab wrote: > You think $23 for mp3's is a good price?????? > I do not understand why people want to pay for > mp3's? I like refrigerator magnets. I'll even PAY for them. And yet some people do not understand why I would want to pay for them. Rather that trying to make you or anyone else understand why I would want to pay for them, I will simply say "To each his own." > Making money off mp3's is great! No effort > is needed to make these. Again, people are only > into the quantity of the music, and certainly not > the quality. No effort? By that logic no effort is required to produce CDs. Once the music is made, there are a lot of formats one can produce it in. Just because Pete is choosing a format that is more economical doesn't mean that people who buy it are into quantity and not quality. I think the people who are buying the MP3 CDs would disagree with you! > If Namlook is having money problems, then > maybe he should change his label, not the > format in which he releases them. I didn't say he was having money problems, I said that there's nothing wrong with him making money off of his back catalogue using a format that you don't like. I predict MP3 CDs will be very popular in the near future. > Most people cannot tell the difference between > a real cd and an mp3 cd is very true. I for one > can hear the difference in many (not all) of the > mp3 cd's. I am not an expert, but when you have > a trained ear, you can tell when something is missing. So don't buy them. I often listen to music in the car, with road noise, my daughter babbling, and my own thoughts occasionally spilling out of my head through my mouth. I can't tell the difference in a perfect listening environment, and I certainly can't tell the difference in the car, or in my office. No one is suggested you, who possesses a trained ear, buy them. But the fact is, the vast majority of the music buying public does not have a trained ear, cannot tell the difference, and doesn't care. That's why vinyl is dead. I don't care if it sounds better, it's inconvenient, it warps, I have to turn it over, yadda yadda yadda. > So maybe mp3 albums are good. While the following > sheep crowd goes for the mp3 series, then that > leaves the rest of us to get the originals. No comment. > So if the AW series is sold out, then indeed it is > limited to a certain number. What is the exact, or > nearby number in which the AW series is produced? Yes, but it's no different that any non-limited CD by any artist. If an AW release sells well, then Pete will repress it. If it doesn't, he won't. Simple as that. But there is no pre-defined limitation--it's based on sales. Makes sense to me. So there is no one "number". Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 16:28:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Warren Lapham Subject: Re: (fax) hey Pete, do it like you always do. On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, jackthetab wrote: > You think $23 for mp3's is a good price?????? I do not understand why people > want to pay for mp3's? Um, maybe because they want the music, and they're ethical? If mp3 is the easiest way for someone to get music that they want, and they don't care that it's an mp3 and not a CD (keep in mind that they are getting around three times the music that they would at the same cost if they were buying CDs), then why not? > Making money off mp3's is great! No effort is needed to make these. Again, > people are only into the quantity of the music, and certainly not the > quality. *snip* > Most people cannot tell the difference between a real cd and an mp3 cd is > very true. How are people giving up quality for quantity when they do not perceive a difference in quality? > I am not an expert, but when you have a trained ear, you can tell when > something is missing. *snip* > So maybe mp3 albums are good. While the following sheep crowd goes for the > mp3 series, then that leaves the rest of us to get the originals. Way to play the Elitist card. We faxheads are all so much better than everyone else, aren't we? Hooray! Seriously, though, I don't understand why some people are so vocal in their opposition to the mp3 CDs.... Is it possible to agree to disagree here and not rehash the same old bullshit every week? IIRC, Andre said a while back that Namlook was moving to a new studio, so this would explain the dearth of new Namlook material. I can't see the mp3 CDs and the other recent reissues taking up too much of Namlook's time and keeping him away from writing new music. > So if the AW series is sold out, then indeed it is limited to a certain > number. What is the exact, or nearby number in which the AW series is > produced? Think of it this way: with "regular" FAX CDs, Namlook has said that once they're gone, they're gone. AW reissues can get additional runs if he perceives demand for them. Oh, and as an aside -- bringing up a "hot topic" on the list then saying you don't want to restart a discussion of it seems a bit disingenous to me. I think that either you meant to start something up again, or you just wanted the last word. Quick, someone slap my wrist for having fed the troll. - -w. - -- http://www.warlap.net/ (now with music blog) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 07:49:44 +1000 From: "Dan Rossi" Subject: RE: (fax) Inoue FAX on eBay fuk 5 days and already 31 US :| - -----Original Message----- From: owner-faxlist@2350.org [mailto:owner-faxlist@2350.org]On Behalf Of alucas@telerama.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 3:09 AM To: faxlist@2350.org Subject: (fax) Inoue FAX on eBay Hey there... Speaking of Tetsu, I have a coulpla Fax CDs up on eBay, as well as an em:t comp and some other stuff you might all find interesting. http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=alucas@te lerama.com Cheers, Alan np:Mad Caddies "Just One More" (Can't listen to Fax ALL the time, right? ;) - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2003 #65 ******************************* --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org