From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2004 #12 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Saturday, January 24 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 012 Re: (fax) a new ebay record Re: (fax) a new ebay record Re: (fax) a new ebay record + IDEA (fax) How do we protect our Fax collections? Re: (fax) How do we protect our Fax collections? Re: (fax) How do we protect our Fax collections? Re: (fax) How do we protect our Fax collections? Re: (fax) How do we protect our Fax collections? (fax) FA: Anthony Rother CD ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:14:15 -0800 From: theREALmxyzptlk Subject: Re: (fax) a new ebay record From my experience, yes. When I have (a) bidder(s) go high like that, they usually have the cash and are fast on the pay button - but, admittedly, I have sold very few CDs which fetch high prices and certainly never like that. Most of my stuff sells for between 10-30$. jeff >but this begs the question: > >will the seller actually get the money? > >darcy ( dj monolith ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:07:11 -0600 (CST) From: Trevor Cordes Subject: Re: (fax) a new ebay record On 23 Jan, dj monolith wrote: > omg! man, i can't afford to keep some of my cds at > that price... That end price was unusual... don't think they all go for that! Most ltd 500's go for $50-$150 except for the impossible ones, like Air 1, Silence 1, HoS... This auction was also listed as "mint condition", which also matters a lot. > but this begs the question: > > will the seller actually get the money? I know/have-dealt-with most of the high-end bidders/buyers personally and they are all good guys and on the up-and-up. That doesn't mean every ebayer is legit! But in this case it looks kosher. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:21:42 -0800 (PST) From: dj monolith Subject: Re: (fax) a new ebay record + IDEA man, i need to get this bidder to buy my unopened Masters of Psychedelic Ambience MU... i have been toying with the idea of tracking and documenting FAX and other well-known ambient labels on ebay. it would be interesting to come up with a price list after a year. i started to do this a while back but found that old enemy Time just didn't want to let my project win. still an interesting idea. it would be cool for collectors to have some sort of reference when buying this music. i *think* there are enough of us out there. there are AT LEAST 500 of us... ;) darcy ( dj monolith ) - - i am sure i am going to get in trouble for posting my ideas on this... music is meant to be listened to, not collected and all that... - --- Trevor Cordes wrote: > On 23 Jan, dj monolith wrote: > > omg! man, i can't afford to keep some of my cds > at > > that price... > > That end price was unusual... don't think they all > go for that! Most > ltd 500's go for $50-$150 except for the impossible > ones, like Air 1, > Silence 1, HoS... This auction was also listed as > "mint condition", > which also matters a lot. > > > but this begs the question: > > > > will the seller actually get the money? > > I know/have-dealt-with most of the high-end > bidders/buyers personally > and they are all good guys and on the up-and-up. > That doesn't mean > every ebayer is legit! But in this case it looks > kosher. > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:24:16 -0800 From: "sanvara" Subject: (fax) How do we protect our Fax collections? $940 for Air I? Unbelieveable. Now the question in my mind is how do we insure our CD's against fire and theft with prices like this? Will insurance companies recognize Ebay prices as being market value? I may need to request more insurance for property in my house the way the prices are going. My CD and record collection is by far most expensive property item in my house now. What is a complete Fax collection worth as far as insuring it and how do I prove the value to the insurance companies? Do all you have have a list and pictures of your collection for insurance purposes? I need to start documenting what I have. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:33:21 -0800 (PST) From: brian@lists.frickster.net Subject: Re: (fax) How do we protect our Fax collections? On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, sanvara wrote: > Now the question in my mind is how do we insure our CD's against fire and > theft with prices like this? Will insurance companies recognize Ebay prices > as being market value? I may need to request more insurance for property in > my house the way the prices are going. My CD and record collection is by far > most expensive property item in my house now. What is a complete Fax > collection worth as far as insuring it and how do I prove the value to the > insurance companies? Do all you have have a list and pictures of your > collection for insurance purposes? I need to start documenting what I have. Here's what I do: 1) Document all CDs in an Excel spreadsheet. Make sure to gather the following information: Artist, Title, Label, Serial Number, Release Date, Number of Discs, Limited Edition Number, Price Paid, Replacement Value 2) Send a copy MONTHLY to your insurance company, or, at the very least, send any updates. 3) Keep a digital copy as well off-site. I have my mom keep a monthly CD-burn of my spreadsheet at her house, for example. 4) Obtain a special rider on your insurance policy, stating the value of your collection and noting that you require REPLACEMENT value for the CDs. Make sure you specify that replacement does NOT mean AW releases, for example, but requires PS/PW/PK releases. I specify this very clearly in mine. 5) Finally, take a few digital photos of your collection. Have an affidavit signed and notarized stating that your collection is in fact originals and they are limited editions and are therefore more valuable than standard release cds. I have been robbed once, and having this spreadsheet was a god-send. Had I not had it, I would have gotten a check for about $400 for the 300+ cds that were stolen from me. Instead, I got a check for about $14,000 to cover the loss - although it took me about two years to get that check, with receipts, purchases, and good record keeping. Believe me, if insurance can get away with NOT paying, they will. It's like pulling teeth. Cheers, - -- - -=brian=- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:59:16 -0800 From: "sanvara" Subject: Re: (fax) How do we protect our Fax collections? Thanks for the suggestions Brian. How do you think we can prove the value of our collections though? The original value of what most of us paid is only $15-20 a CD and I don't think most of us have any documentation of even that since we bought these CD's years ago. Should we be taking screenshots of ebay auctions and burning them to CD to document the prices? I don't know of any other way to prove what these are worth other than Ebay auctions. It's not like there is a professional rare music expert who we can refer the insurance company too like there would be with antiques or something. And there is no record guide or book value for these CD's that we can use to get replacement value like there would be with an old Beatles record or something. My problem is probably shared by many people on this list. I have a collection of like 1200 CD and 1500 vinyl records. Almost all of it is indie music which is really hard to document value. Obviously all of the records are out of print and I'd say 60-70% of the CD's are no longer being pressed and can't just be purchased in a store. I can see myself spending 2-3 hours a day searching ebay for auctions of what I have and taking screenshots of prices. This is a nightmare. > Here's what I do: > > 1) Document all CDs in an Excel spreadsheet. Make sure to gather the following > information: Artist, Title, Label, Serial Number, Release Date, Number of Discs, > Limited Edition Number, Price Paid, Replacement Value > > 2) Send a copy MONTHLY to your insurance company, or, at the very least, send > any updates. > > 3) Keep a digital copy as well off-site. I have my mom keep a monthly CD-burn > of my spreadsheet at her house, for example. > > 4) Obtain a special rider on your insurance policy, stating the value of your > collection and noting that you require REPLACEMENT value for the CDs. Make sure > you specify that replacement does NOT mean AW releases, for example, but > requires PS/PW/PK releases. I specify this very clearly in mine. > > 5) Finally, take a few digital photos of your collection. Have an affidavit > signed and notarized stating that your collection is in fact originals and they > are limited editions and are therefore more valuable than standard release cds. > > I have been robbed once, and having this spreadsheet was a god-send. Had I not > had it, I would have gotten a check for about $400 for the 300+ cds that were > stolen from me. Instead, I got a check for about $14,000 to cover the loss - > although it took me about two years to get that check, with receipts, purchases, > and good record keeping. Believe me, if insurance can get away with NOT paying, > they will. It's like pulling teeth. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:15:02 -0800 (PST) From: brian@lists.frickster.net Subject: Re: (fax) How do we protect our Fax collections? Well, proving the value is very difficult. This is one reason I use a notary. Screen captures, receipts, paypal payment verification, anything you can document to show the value is useful. You're right, though, there's no one really who is an expert to contact. When I lost some of my music, I contacted Dave at EAR/Rational, who verified replacement costs for me on some of my losses. I also shopped around a bit - if I found a replacement, I shelled out my own money and got reimbursed by submitting the receipt and a copy of the CD spine to the insurance company. Screen shots are a good idea. Scans of the artwork are helpful. I take new CDs to Kinkos and copy the fronts and backs on the color copiers, and save that in a firebox and in a safety deposit box in the bank. Essentially I monitor eBay and other sources of music to get going rates for what I own. I keep a list of it in my spreadsheet, and make sure the rider I have covers that value. I too have 1200+ cds, most of them rare, out of print, collectable in some way. You simply need to shop around until you find an insurance company who understands what you have and the need for the replacement value vs. the original value. For example, I have a limited edition Vangelis release for which I paid $250. It currently sells on eBay for about $600. The insurance company would have to pay out whatever the CD would cost to replace ($600 minus deductable) if it were lost. It's very important that you specify replacement value for that reason. Otherwise I'd get a check for $250 minus my deductable, and that would suck! Hope this helps clarify. I understand that it's frustrating, though. Maybe we should look into this further and collaborate in the forum on our findings! - -Brian On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, sanvara wrote: > Thanks for the suggestions Brian. How do you think we can prove the value of > our collections though? The original value of what most of us paid is only > $15-20 a CD and I don't think most of us have any documentation of even that > since we bought these CD's years ago. Should we be taking screenshots of > ebay auctions and burning them to CD to document the prices? I don't know of > any other way to prove what these are worth other than Ebay auctions. It's > not like there is a professional rare music expert who we can refer the > insurance company too like there would be with antiques or something. And > there is no record guide or book value for these CD's that we can use to get > replacement value like there would be with an old Beatles record or > something. > > My problem is probably shared by many people on this list. I have a > collection of like 1200 CD and 1500 vinyl records. Almost all of it is indie > music which is really hard to document value. Obviously all of the records > are out of print and I'd say 60-70% of the CD's are no longer being pressed > and can't just be purchased in a store. I can see myself spending 2-3 hours > a day searching ebay for auctions of what I have and taking screenshots of > prices. This is a nightmare. - -- - -=brian=- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:17:43 -0600 (CST) From: Trevor Cordes Subject: Re: (fax) How do we protect our Fax collections? On 23 Jan, sanvara wrote: > screenshots of ebay auctions and burning them to CD to document the > prices? I don't know of any other way to prove what these are worth 90% of the titles show up often enough on ebay that from the date you were robbed it would only take about 2-3 weeks to see an auction for each title. Going through the trouble ahead of time is pointless as ebay prices are highly variable (although somewhat trend following). FMV of a title might change drastically (100% in either direction) in a year. It's funny that you guys bring this up, as I've mentioned the thought to others and most people haven't considered this possibility. As FAX collectors, we all can imagine how much it would suck if we lost our collections and weren't insured! Even if insured, it would be a real pain to find and re-buy all those CD's! > other than Ebay auctions. It's not like there is a professional rare > music expert who we can refer the insurance company too like there > would be with antiques or something. And there is no record guide or > book value for these CD's that we can use to get replacement value > like there would be with an old Beatles record or something. How interested would you list members be in a "FAX price guide", one that closely tracked ebay prices. Would someone be willing to pay a (not expensive) fee for this service? I suppose if you had your collection stolen you might! Or maybe if you were trying to fill your collection and didn't want to get ripped off. Since ebay does not let you view "completed auctions" more than 30 days (or something like that) after they end, a service like the above idea could be valuable. > see myself spending 2-3 hours a day searching ebay for auctions of > what I have and taking screenshots of prices. This is a nightmare. Brian's notes regarding what to do to be properly insured are good advice. The computerized list of your collection and pictures or a camcorder video are a good idea for anything you own that is weird and/or expensive. And you usually do need to get a special rider, or at the very least talk with your broker. They are usually very helpful (they all like to compete on service). Make sure you find out what the limits are (esp individual item limits, which sometimes are low). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 23:24:50 -0000 From: "David Calvert" Subject: (fax) FA: Anthony Rother CD http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1577&item=259141569 2 other items at http://cgi6.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&user id=dakota.boo&include=0&since=1&sort=2&rows=50 e-mail: dakota.boo@pop3.hiway.co.uk web page: http://home.hiway.co.uk/boo ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2004 #12 ******************************* --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org