From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2004 #14 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Sunday, February 1 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 014 (fax) Redeye "Arizona Tracks" on eBay (fax) RE: faxlist-digest V2004 #12 Re: (fax) RE: faxlist-digest V2004 #12 (fax) New Releases ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:38:55 -0800 (PST) From: brian@lists.frickster.net Subject: (fax) Redeye "Arizona Tracks" on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2591943459 Enjoy :) - -=brian=- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:59:37 +0100 From: "Martin Jones" Subject: (fax) RE: faxlist-digest V2004 #12 Hi all, First of all, insuring with eBay as a guide is pointless, as the nature of an auction means CDs are only worth what two people are prepared to pay at any one time....secondly I almost fell over when I saw that Air one, and lastly, a database of prices is a god idea as a guide... Martin >From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) >Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org >To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org >Subject: faxlist-digest V2004 #12 >Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 18:22:26 -0500 (EST) > >faxlist-digest Saturday, January 24 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 012 > > > >Re: (fax) a new ebay record >Re: (fax) a new ebay record >Re: (fax) a new ebay record + IDEA >(fax) How do we protect our Fax collections? >Re: (fax) How do we protect our Fax collections? >Re: (fax) How do we protect our Fax collections? >Re: (fax) How do we protect our Fax collections? >Re: (fax) How do we protect our Fax collections? >(fax) FA: Anthony Rother CD > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:14:15 -0800 >From: theREALmxyzptlk >Subject: Re: (fax) a new ebay record > > From my experience, yes. When I have (a) bidder(s) go high like that, >they >usually have the cash and are fast on the pay button - but, admittedly, I >have sold very few CDs which fetch high prices and certainly never like >that. Most of my stuff sells for between 10-30$. > > jeff > > > >but this begs the question: > > > >will the seller actually get the money? > > > >darcy ( dj monolith ) > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:07:11 -0600 (CST) >From: Trevor Cordes >Subject: Re: (fax) a new ebay record > >On 23 Jan, dj monolith wrote: > > omg! man, i can't afford to keep some of my cds at > > that price... > >That end price was unusual... don't think they all go for that! Most >ltd 500's go for $50-$150 except for the impossible ones, like Air 1, >Silence 1, HoS... This auction was also listed as "mint condition", >which also matters a lot. > > > but this begs the question: > > > > will the seller actually get the money? > >I know/have-dealt-with most of the high-end bidders/buyers personally >and they are all good guys and on the up-and-up. That doesn't mean >every ebayer is legit! But in this case it looks kosher. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:21:42 -0800 (PST) >From: dj monolith >Subject: Re: (fax) a new ebay record + IDEA > >man, i need to get this bidder to buy my unopened >Masters of Psychedelic Ambience MU... > >i have been toying with the idea of tracking and >documenting FAX and other well-known ambient labels on >ebay. it would be interesting to come up with a price >list after a year. i started to do this a while back >but found that old enemy Time just didn't want to let >my project win. > >still an interesting idea. it would be cool for >collectors to have some sort of reference when buying >this music. i *think* there are enough of us out >there. there are AT LEAST 500 of us... ;) > >darcy ( dj monolith ) >- - i am sure i am going to get in trouble for posting >my ideas on this... music is meant to be listened to, >not collected and all that... > > >- --- Trevor Cordes wrote: > > On 23 Jan, dj monolith wrote: > > > omg! man, i can't afford to keep some of my cds > > at > > > that price... > > > > That end price was unusual... don't think they all > > go for that! Most > > ltd 500's go for $50-$150 except for the impossible > > ones, like Air 1, > > Silence 1, HoS... This auction was also listed as > > "mint condition", > > which also matters a lot. > > > > > but this begs the question: > > > > > > will the seller actually get the money? > > > > I know/have-dealt-with most of the high-end > > bidders/buyers personally > > and they are all good guys and on the up-and-up. > > That doesn't mean > > every ebayer is legit! But in this case it looks > > kosher. > > > > --- > > + To post: ; to mail a person: > > > > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > > > > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax >www.2350.org > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! >http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:24:16 -0800 >From: "sanvara" >Subject: (fax) How do we protect our Fax collections? > >$940 for Air I? Unbelieveable. > >Now the question in my mind is how do we insure our CD's against fire and >theft with prices like this? Will insurance companies recognize Ebay prices >as being market value? I may need to request more insurance for property in >my house the way the prices are going. My CD and record collection is by >far >most expensive property item in my house now. What is a complete Fax >collection worth as far as insuring it and how do I prove the value to the >insurance companies? Do all you have have a list and pictures of your >collection for insurance purposes? I need to start documenting what I have. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:33:21 -0800 (PST) >From: brian@lists.frickster.net >Subject: Re: (fax) How do we protect our Fax collections? > >On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, sanvara wrote: > > > Now the question in my mind is how do we insure our CD's against fire >and > > theft with prices like this? Will insurance companies recognize Ebay >prices > > as being market value? I may need to request more insurance for property >in > > my house the way the prices are going. My CD and record collection is by >far > > most expensive property item in my house now. What is a complete Fax > > collection worth as far as insuring it and how do I prove the value to >the > > insurance companies? Do all you have have a list and pictures of your > > collection for insurance purposes? I need to start documenting what I >have. > >Here's what I do: > >1) Document all CDs in an Excel spreadsheet. Make sure to gather the >following >information: Artist, Title, Label, Serial Number, Release Date, Number of >Discs, >Limited Edition Number, Price Paid, Replacement Value > >2) Send a copy MONTHLY to your insurance company, or, at the very least, >send >any updates. > >3) Keep a digital copy as well off-site. I have my mom keep a monthly >CD-burn >of my spreadsheet at her house, for example. > >4) Obtain a special rider on your insurance policy, stating the value of >your >collection and noting that you require REPLACEMENT value for the CDs. Make >sure >you specify that replacement does NOT mean AW releases, for example, but >requires PS/PW/PK releases. I specify this very clearly in mine. > >5) Finally, take a few digital photos of your collection. Have an >affidavit >signed and notarized stating that your collection is in fact originals and >they >are limited editions and are therefore more valuable than standard release >cds. > >I have been robbed once, and having this spreadsheet was a god-send. Had I >not >had it, I would have gotten a check for about $400 for the 300+ cds that >were >stolen from me. Instead, I got a check for about $14,000 to cover the loss >- >although it took me about two years to get that check, with receipts, >purchases, >and good record keeping. Believe me, if insurance can get away with NOT >paying, >they will. It's like pulling teeth. > >Cheers, > >- -- >- -=brian=- > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:59:16 -0800 >From: "sanvara" >Subject: Re: (fax) How do we protect our Fax collections? > >Thanks for the suggestions Brian. How do you think we can prove the value >of >our collections though? The original value of what most of us paid is only >$15-20 a CD and I don't think most of us have any documentation of even >that >since we bought these CD's years ago. Should we be taking screenshots of >ebay auctions and burning them to CD to document the prices? I don't know >of >any other way to prove what these are worth other than Ebay auctions. It's >not like there is a professional rare music expert who we can refer the >insurance company too like there would be with antiques or something. And >there is no record guide or book value for these CD's that we can use to >get >replacement value like there would be with an old Beatles record or >something. > >My problem is probably shared by many people on this list. I have a >collection of like 1200 CD and 1500 vinyl records. Almost all of it is >indie >music which is really hard to document value. Obviously all of the records >are out of print and I'd say 60-70% of the CD's are no longer being pressed >and can't just be purchased in a store. I can see myself spending 2-3 >hours >a day searching ebay for auctions of what I have and taking screenshots of >prices. This is a nightmare. > > > > Here's what I do: > > > > 1) Document all CDs in an Excel spreadsheet. Make sure to gather the >following > > information: Artist, Title, Label, Serial Number, Release Date, Number >of >Discs, > > Limited Edition Number, Price Paid, Replacement Value > > > > 2) Send a copy MONTHLY to your insurance company, or, at the very least, >send > > any updates. > > > > 3) Keep a digital copy as well off-site. I have my mom keep a monthly >CD-burn > > of my spreadsheet at her house, for example. > > > > 4) Obtain a special rider on your insurance policy, stating the value of >your > > collection and noting that you require REPLACEMENT value for the CDs. >Make sure > > you specify that replacement does NOT mean AW releases, for example, but > > requires PS/PW/PK releases. I specify this very clearly in mine. > > > > 5) Finally, take a few digital photos of your collection. Have an >affidavit > > signed and notarized stating that your collection is in fact originals >and >they > > are limited editions and are therefore more valuable than standard >release >cds. > > > > I have been robbed once, and having this spreadsheet was a god-send. >Had >I not > > had it, I would have gotten a check for about $400 for the 300+ cds that >were > > stolen from me. Instead, I got a check for about $14,000 to cover the >loss - > > although it took me about two years to get that check, with receipts, >purchases, > > and good record keeping. Believe me, if insurance can get away with NOT >paying, > > they will. It's like pulling teeth. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:15:02 -0800 (PST) >From: brian@lists.frickster.net >Subject: Re: (fax) How do we protect our Fax collections? > >Well, proving the value is very difficult. This is one reason I use a >notary. >Screen captures, receipts, paypal payment verification, anything you can >document to show the value is useful. You're right, though, there's no one >really who is an expert to contact. When I lost some of my music, I >contacted >Dave at EAR/Rational, who verified replacement costs for me on some of my >losses. I also shopped around a bit - if I found a replacement, I shelled >out >my own money and got reimbursed by submitting the receipt and a copy of the >CD >spine to the insurance company. > >Screen shots are a good idea. Scans of the artwork are helpful. I take >new CDs >to Kinkos and copy the fronts and backs on the color copiers, and save that >in a >firebox and in a safety deposit box in the bank. > >Essentially I monitor eBay and other sources of music to get going rates >for >what I own. I keep a list of it in my spreadsheet, and make sure the rider >I >have covers that value. > >I too have 1200+ cds, most of them rare, out of print, collectable in some >way. >You simply need to shop around until you find an insurance company who >understands what you have and the need for the replacement value vs. the >original value. > >For example, I have a limited edition Vangelis release for which I paid >$250. >It currently sells on eBay for about $600. The insurance company would >have to >pay out whatever the CD would cost to replace ($600 minus deductable) if it >were >lost. It's very important that you specify replacement value for that >reason. >Otherwise I'd get a check for $250 minus my deductable, and that would >suck! > >Hope this helps clarify. I understand that it's frustrating, though. >Maybe we >should look into this further and collaborate in the forum on our findings! > >- -Brian > >On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, sanvara wrote: > > > Thanks for the suggestions Brian. How do you think we can prove the >value of > > our collections though? The original value of what most of us paid is >only > > $15-20 a CD and I don't think most of us have any documentation of even >that > > since we bought these CD's years ago. Should we be taking screenshots of > > ebay auctions and burning them to CD to document the prices? I don't >know of > > any other way to prove what these are worth other than Ebay auctions. >It's > > not like there is a professional rare music expert who we can refer the > > insurance company too like there would be with antiques or something. >And > > there is no record guide or book value for these CD's that we can use to >get > > replacement value like there would be with an old Beatles record or > > something. > > > > My problem is probably shared by many people on this list. I have a > > collection of like 1200 CD and 1500 vinyl records. Almost all of it is >indie > > music which is really hard to document value. Obviously all of the >records > > are out of print and I'd say 60-70% of the CD's are no longer being >pressed > > and can't just be purchased in a store. I can see myself spending 2-3 >hours > > a day searching ebay for auctions of what I have and taking screenshots >of > > prices. This is a nightmare. > >- -- >- -=brian=- > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:17:43 -0600 (CST) >From: Trevor Cordes >Subject: Re: (fax) How do we protect our Fax collections? > >On 23 Jan, sanvara wrote: > > screenshots of ebay auctions and burning them to CD to document the > > prices? I don't know of any other way to prove what these are worth > >90% of the titles show up often enough on ebay that from the date you >were robbed it would only take about 2-3 weeks to see an auction for >each title. Going through the trouble ahead of time is pointless as >ebay prices are highly variable (although somewhat trend following). FMV >of a title might change drastically (100% in either direction) in a >year. > >It's funny that you guys bring this up, as I've mentioned the thought to >others and most people haven't considered this possibility. As FAX >collectors, we all can imagine how much it would suck if we lost our >collections and weren't insured! Even if insured, it would be a real >pain to find and re-buy all those CD's! > > > other than Ebay auctions. It's not like there is a professional rare > > music expert who we can refer the insurance company too like there > > would be with antiques or something. And there is no record guide or > > book value for these CD's that we can use to get replacement value > > like there would be with an old Beatles record or something. > >How interested would you list members be in a "FAX price guide", one >that closely tracked ebay prices. Would someone be willing to pay a >(not expensive) fee for this service? I suppose if you had your >collection stolen you might! Or maybe if you were trying to fill your >collection and didn't want to get ripped off. > >Since ebay does not let you view "completed auctions" more than 30 days >(or something like that) after they end, a service like the above idea >could be valuable. > > > see myself spending 2-3 hours a day searching ebay for auctions of > > what I have and taking screenshots of prices. This is a nightmare. > >Brian's notes regarding what to do to be properly insured are good >advice. The computerized list of your collection and pictures or a >camcorder video are a good idea for anything you own that is weird >and/or expensive. And you usually do need to get a special rider, or at >the very least talk with your broker. They are usually very helpful >(they all like to compete on service). Make sure you find out what the >limits are (esp individual item limits, which sometimes are low). > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 23:24:50 -0000 >From: "David Calvert" >Subject: (fax) FA: Anthony Rother CD > >http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1577&item=259141569 >2 > >other items at > >http://cgi6.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&user >id=dakota.boo&include=0&since=1&sort=2&rows=50 > >e-mail: dakota.boo@pop3.hiway.co.uk >web page: http://home.hiway.co.uk/boo > >------------------------------ > >End of faxlist-digest V2004 #12 >******************************* > >--- >+ To post: ; to mail a person: >+ To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to >+ Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:39:57 -0800 From: "sanvara" Subject: Re: (fax) RE: faxlist-digest V2004 #12 > Hi all, > > First of all, insuring with eBay as a guide is pointless, as the nature of > an auction means CDs are only worth what two people are prepared to pay at > any one time....secondly I almost fell over when I saw that Air one, and > lastly, a database of prices is a god idea as a guide... I think one ebay auction is useless but the average price of a number of auctions (let's say for example 5 or more auctions throwing out the low and the high price) do determine what an item is worth. There is no other way to realistically set a value with these items other than the final price of auctions. It's not like someone can just pull a figure out of the air and create a price guide. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 17:24:02 +1100 From: andre@sansserifgrafik.com Subject: (fax) New Releases Hi. 2 New releases out next week (i expect) PK08/167 - Namlook XIX - Music for Urban Meditation a single track of droney ambience designed for 'urban meditation' PS08/106 - Steve Stoll - Earthling A continuation of the 'was here' style of minimal techno / experimental stuff... + sansserifgrafik ladies night, bitches drink free http://www.sansserifgrafik.com ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2004 #14 ******************************* --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org