From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2004 #29 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Tuesday, March 9 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 029 (fax) pops on a *new* release! :-( Re: (fax) Coeur Atomique confusion Re: (fax) Coeur Atomique confusion Re: (fax) speaking of Namlook 5 Re: (fax) Coeur Atomique confusion RE: (fax) speaking of Namlook 5 Re: (fax) speaking of Namlook 5 (fax) Transonic 2 CD misprint! RE: (fax) Transonic 2 CD misprint! Re: (fax) Transonic 2 CD misprint! FW: (fax) Transonic 2 CD misprint! (fax) FA: Pete Namlook - Hearts of Space (PK08/81) and Atom Heart - Interactive Music (RI 027) (fax) FAX +49-69/450464 (GERMANY): (fax) xangadix ps 08/65 question (fax) HIA- Colourform Re: (fax) speaking of Namlook 5 Re: (fax) collecting the collection Re: (fax) Transonic 2 CD misprint! Re: (fax) xangadix ps 08/65 question Re: (fax) Coeur Atomique confusion (fax) question for the hardcore collectors (fax) FA: Pete Namlook - Sequential (PK08/73) and Escape (PK08/87) (fax) Sequential (PK08/73) RE: (fax) Coeur Atomique confusion (fax) new FAX compilation ideas Re: (fax) new FAX compilation ideas (fax) Re: new FAX compilation ideas Re: (fax) Coeur Atomique confusion Re: (fax) Re: new FAX compilation ideas Re: (fax) Re: new FAX compilation ideas Re: (fax) Re: new FAX compilation ideas ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 12:39:00 -0600 From: Trevor Cordes Subject: (fax) pops on a *new* release! :-( I just started giving Advanced Indigo some airtime on my players and I must admit I'm *really* liking this release. Better than my previous fave Magic Diner amongst the recent releases! Tracks 1-3 absolutely rock. The Dune samples are a *perfect* match. Great home listening *and* car CD! One of the few CD's with heavy sitar use that doesn't piss me off :-) But... I hate to say it, but this CD is the first example I've found of a post '95 FAX CD with (I believe) unintentional "pop/crackle" flaws. No excuse for this now that computer editing is so cheap & easy! I'm listing below the ones I found in two listens (I think I found them all). Feel free to pass them on to PK (wink wink). The track 10 ones are weird... so obvious that perhaps they were left in for a reason? But so annoying and out of place, I had to clean them out. New Composers - Advanced Indigo 6 5:11.3245 5:12.2842 10 3:36.2725 3:36.2828 3:36.2925 3:36.5734 3:36.6236 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 13:48:57 -0500 From: Jeff Birgbauer Subject: Re: (fax) Coeur Atomique confusion i can't believe no ones knows the answer :( thanks Jeff On Thursday, March 4, 2004, at 12:15 PM, Jeff Birgbauer wrote: > the cd listed this: > Sundance (101 Mix) 6.26 > > the 12" lists this: > Sundance (101 Mix) 4.37 > > are these the same versions and just the time mislabled on the 12? > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 13:06:03 -0600 (CST) From: Trevor Cordes Subject: Re: (fax) Coeur Atomique confusion On 5 Mar, Jeff Birgbauer wrote: > i can't believe no ones knows the answer :( > >> the cd listed this: >> Sundance (101 Mix) 6.26 >> >> the 12" lists this: >> Sundance (101 Mix) 4.37 Did you do an actual wall-clock timing while playing the 12" version? Try it to see if that's really the time. I bet they had to cut it to fit on the 12" yet had more space for the CD. Haven't they done this before for other tracks on CD vs 12" releases? Personally, I don't have any of the vinyl so I can't check. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 14:06:48 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) speaking of Namlook 5 that is why you need good stereo equipment for ambient music. good integrated amps and loudspeakers certainly can compensate for that. even most of the "cheapy" equipment should come with some sort of capacitor to filter out the dc offset before progressing to the next stage. if you are getting 25% there could possibly be a leak or failure of the capacitor(s). kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /___ http://www.capital.net/~soylent ___\ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trevor Cordes" To: Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 1:30 PM Subject: (fax) speaking of Namlook 5 > Has anyone else noticed that Namlook 5 (and a few other Namlooks that I > can't recall right now) has a major DC offset? Goldwave reports around > 25%, and the wave looks ugly. Most other music has a nearly 0% DC offset. > > A large DC offset is hard on amps and speakers. It means a speaker must > hold itself at a "center point" (can't remember the exact terminology) > that is not its natural (no voltage applied) center point. It then > oscillates around the new center. > > You can usually hear a DC offset being nasty to speakers just by starting/ > stopping playing in the middle of the track. It will pop quite loudly > (unless your equipment compensates for it). > > Shame on Namlook, trying to blow up our stereo equipment! ;-) > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 14:08:50 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) Coeur Atomique confusion i do not have the vinyl release of this, but from past experiences with the vinyl versions over the cd versions - the vinyl versions usually are just condensed versions of which you find on the cd. kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /___ http://www.capital.net/~soylent ___\ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trevor Cordes" To: Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 2:06 PM Subject: Re: (fax) Coeur Atomique confusion > On 5 Mar, Jeff Birgbauer wrote: > > i can't believe no ones knows the answer :( > > > >> the cd listed this: > >> Sundance (101 Mix) 6.26 > >> > >> the 12" lists this: > >> Sundance (101 Mix) 4.37 > > Did you do an actual wall-clock timing while playing the 12" version? > Try it to see if that's really the time. > > I bet they had to cut it to fit on the 12" yet had more space for the > CD. Haven't they done this before for other tracks on CD vs 12" > releases? > > Personally, I don't have any of the vinyl so I can't check. > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 14:09:49 -0500 From: "Maximilien Lincourt" Subject: RE: (fax) speaking of Namlook 5 I have to ask ... What the heck is a DC offset ? is it like living in Washington's suburbs ? Max. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 14:14:15 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) speaking of Namlook 5 instead of me explaining it to you.....here is a fairly good definition. Web Definition: DC offset - DC stands for "Direct Current." A signal whose midpoint is skewed away from zero is said to have a DC offset; this can result in clicks or other problems. You can use the DC Offset process in SFX Machine to negate a pre-existing offset. kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /___ http://www.capital.net/~soylent ___\ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maximilien Lincourt" To: Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 2:09 PM Subject: RE: (fax) speaking of Namlook 5 > I have to ask ... > > What the heck is a DC offset ? is it like living in Washington's suburbs ? > > Max. > > > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 16:19:18 -0600 From: Trevor Cordes Subject: (fax) Transonic 2 CD misprint! I just noticed that my 3 copies of Transonic 2 PS08/67 have "Downstream Illusion" printed on the CD as opposed to the (correct) title "Virtual Current"! The number "2" is correct. Weird! You'll all already know that of course Downstream Illusion is Transonic 1's title. Someone should start a list/FAQ of FAX pressing faux pas'! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 16:16:13 -0700 From: Graham Banting Subject: RE: (fax) Transonic 2 CD misprint! No offence intended, but do you actually spend time enjoying FAX by *listening* to it?! >===== Original Message From Trevor Cordes ===== >I just noticed that my 3 copies of Transonic 2 PS08/67 have "Downstream >Illusion" printed on the CD as opposed to the (correct) title "Virtual >Current"! The number "2" is correct. Weird! > >You'll all already know that of course Downstream Illusion is Transonic >1's title. > >Someone should start a list/FAQ of FAX pressing faux pas'! Graham Banting, PhD 833 Medsci Department of Medical Genetics Edmonton, AB University of Alberta, Canada 780-492-1124 gbanting@ualberta.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 17:29:06 -0600 (CST) From: Trevor Cordes Subject: Re: (fax) Transonic 2 CD misprint! On 5 Mar, Graham Banting wrote: > No offence intended, but do you actually spend time enjoying FAX by > *listening* to it?! No offence taken! And no, I don't ever listen to them or enjoy them, I just spend all my time cataloging them and finding errors and getting ticked off! ;-) Seriously though, once my cataloging and computerization of the full collection is complete (very soon now!), I won't have much else to do except listen and enjoy! I used to just listen & enjoy until I made the decision to collect the entire back catalog, and that's when I found just how full of mistakes the early releases were. My main goal in identifying "defects" is to create awareness that I know will find it's way back to PK, who I hope will use it to create better (flawless!) products in the future (like MP3 releases with the pops cleaned). That said, I know I'm not the only perfectionist on this list... :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 17:32:01 -0600 From: "John Goerner" Subject: FW: (fax) Transonic 2 CD misprint! You mean you can actually listen to these things? What a great idea. I just really liked all the circles and nifty pictures. - -----Original Message----- From: Trevor Cordes [mailto:trevor@tecnopolis.ca]=20 Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 5:29 PM To: faxlist@2350.org Subject: Re: (fax) Transonic 2 CD misprint! On 5 Mar, Graham Banting wrote: > No offence intended, but do you actually spend time enjoying FAX by > *listening* to it?! No offence taken! And no, I don't ever listen to them or enjoy them, I just spend all my time cataloging them and finding errors and getting ticked off! ;-) Seriously though, once my cataloging and computerization of the full collection is complete (very soon now!), I won't have much else to do except listen and enjoy! I used to just listen & enjoy until I made the decision to collect the entire back catalog, and that's when I found just how full of mistakes the early releases were. My main goal in identifying "defects" is to create awareness that I know will find it's way back to PK, who I hope will use it to create better (flawless!) products in the future (like MP3 releases with the pops cleaned). That said, I know I'm not the only perfectionist on this list... :-) - --- + To post: ; to mail a person:=20 + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to=20 + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax =20 + www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 23:40:14 -0000 From: "David Calvert" Subject: (fax) FA: Pete Namlook - Hearts of Space (PK08/81) and Atom Heart - Interactive Music (RI 027) Pete Namlook - Hearts of Space (PK08/81) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1577&item=4000424550 Atom Heart - Interactive Music (RI 027) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1577&item=4000424687 e-mail: dakota.boo@pop3.hiway.co.uk web page: http://home.hiway.co.uk/boo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 19:18:34 -0700 From: David Hodgson Subject: (fax) FAX +49-69/450464 (GERMANY): Playing By Ear is shipping the new FAX releases now... ____________________________________________ FAX +49-69/450464 (GERMANY): IN STOCK=SHIPPING NOW: $13 NAMLOOK, PETE: Music For Urban Meditation CD (PK 08/167). - limitation 1000 ____________________________________________ FAX +49-69/450464 (GERMANY): IN STOCK=SHIPPING NOW: $13 STEVE STOLL: Earthling CD (PS 08/106). - limitation 1000 and we're taking PRE-orders on... ____________________________________________ FAX +49-69/450464 (GERMANY): coming soon=place orders now: $13 pp * nmlk (PETE NAMLOOK & JOCHEM PAAP) CD (PW46). - limitation 1000 ____________________________________________ AMBIENT WORLD (GERMANY): [ FAX reissue series ] coming soon=place orders now: $13 THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG 7 (feat. Bill Laswell) CD (AW032). to order and see the latest list contact ...David Hodgson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 02:36:05 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: (fax) xangadix ps 08/65 question track one - xangadix - 7:21 the recorded voice sample of 3rd samuel does anyone know who this is? kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /___ http://www.capital.net/~soylent ___\ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 19:35:40 +1100 From: "electroteque" Subject: (fax) HIA- Colourform Sadly, my copy is totally wasted, and i put off buying a copy too late, now i cant find it anywhere. If anyone knows where i can get a copy lemme know. Dan (need to keep up that HIA collection ;) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 05:10:19 -0600 (CST) From: Trevor Cordes Subject: Re: (fax) speaking of Namlook 5 On 5 Mar, jackthetab wrote: > that is why you need good stereo equipment for ambient > music. good integrated amps and loudspeakers certainly > can compensate for that. > > even most of the "cheapy" equipment should come with > some sort of capacitor to filter out the dc offset > before progressing to the next stage. if you are > getting 25% there could possibly be a leak or failure > of the capacitor(s). The 25% I was talking about was as reported by my WAVE editor software, not any measurement I was doing on the amp/speakers. And you sure stereos are supposed to compensate for a DC offset? I always thought that the ultimate goal of a stereo was to reproduce the source sound as true as possible -- which would include a DC offset if there was one. My equipment is middle-end Technics, and I definitely notice huge pops if I stop/start Namlook 5 midstream. However, playing it through normally you'd never notice the DC offset. That's something you wouldn't be able to perceive anyways. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 05:24:49 -0600 (CST) From: Trevor Cordes Subject: Re: (fax) collecting the collection On 5 Mar, scott8933@socal.rr.com wrote: > Just out of curiosity, how were you able to collect the entire back catalog? > Did you already have most of them from buying the first-run releases, or was I had a spattering of them collected as I went along. However, between 1994-1998 I was too busy and didn't collect much music, so I missed a lot. It's when I saw the crazy prices on ebay that I decided to get hopping if I ever wanted to complete my collection. I figured (so far rightly so) that if I dno't spend the money now, it'll only cost me more in the future. I started by buying up every release that Dave @ Ear-rational still had available, because his prices were fair and I prefer to support the "new" channel so that PK gets his due cut. Then it was off to ebay! I haven't added up how much all this has cost me yet, but it's not cheap or for the faint of heart. And I'm still about 10 titles away from completion. Now that it's almost done, I must say I'm glad I did it. I've discovered a wealth of BRILLIANT releases that I probably would not have bought if I was just picking and choosing based on reviews or artist reputation. Sure, there's a lot of (IMHO) "duds", but in the worst case scenario I can eventually resell those on ebay, most likely for at least what I paid for them. One mans dud is another mans favorite! > it just a matter of great time and even greater expense? Or are they still > available now as rereleases? I spent tons of time on this, watching ebay carefully to make sure I get relatively good deals. For reasonably priced start, contact Dave @ Ear-Rational or check out his web site to see what's still in stock. Buy every title at once and I'm sure he'll give you special consideration. And this way you are supporting PK in his efforts to make more music. (I'm not affiliated with Ear-Rational, I'm just a satisfied long-standing customer!) If you don't do it now, then you're guaranteed to pay more later. As soon as a title is out of stock as "new", its price tends to double fairly quickly on ebay, except Octopus 1! ;-) For titles not available new, feel free to give me a shout as I've collected quite a few doubles over time that I wouldn't mind selling. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 05:39:33 -0600 (CST) From: Trevor Cordes Subject: Re: (fax) Transonic 2 CD misprint! On 5 Mar, RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > > an even better question might be: what are you doing hoarding 3 copies of > Transonic 2 ? don't people ever feel badly about having multiple copies of I'm not "hoarding" them. For the most part (including Transonic 2) my duplicates are caused by me inadvertently buying a copy on ebay for way too much and then seeing it again a week later for half the price. So I buy them both! And I'm actually working on posting my duplicates to ebay now so someone else can enjoy them. I never bought them cheap/new ($13) and hoarded them! However, I think that someone MUST be hoarding a few releases that are limitation 1000 yet are no where to be found (on ebay or private sellers)! Octopus 2, Vrs-Ambnt 1, Waiting for Snow, etc... > something while there are others who would love to hear the MUSIC but cannot afford > the ridiculous collector's prices? Yes, the prices can get ridiculous, but that's simply the law of supply and demand. Too many people chasing too few releases. PK helps a lot by reissuing AW's and MP3's (and pay download sites) so people can still afford to get the music. The originals will always be pricey though, and will probably continue to rise in price. And you'll find that most sales on ebay aren't some guy making $300 profit because he was smart enough to buy copies at $13 10 years ago, they are people who paid $295 2 years ago and are just looking to make their money back! I see nothing morally wrong with letting the market work its magic on prices. Yes, it can leave out the poor, but it's no different than the mechanism that dictates that the poor won't be able to afford a brand new Cadillac STS. That's life in a free-market system. However, I do prefer to see PK get his proper dues, so if possible always buy NEW from one of the FAX retailers instead of used on ebay. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 07:55:53 -0600 (CST) From: Trevor Cordes Subject: Re: (fax) xangadix ps 08/65 question On 6 Mar, jackthetab wrote: > track one - xangadix - 7:21 > the recorded voice sample of 3rd samuel > > does anyone know who this is? Clarify for me... By listing the "7:21" you are giving us the track time, not trying to say that's where the sample is, right? Must be... I was a bit confused looking for a sample at 7:21 in track one only to find it was the end! You must mean the sample at the beginning of that phone message thing. What do you mean by "3rd samuel"? What the heck is that? Lastly, when faced with an unknown sample, the following almost always works: goto google and type in a good (unambiguous) chunk of the sample BETWEEN DOUBLE QUOTES. Voila! Of course, if that phone message is something someone left on PK's personal machine one day (I've seen this done lots on various albums), then chances are you'll never know the answer! If you figure it out, let us know! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:18:03 -0500 From: Jeff Birgbauer Subject: Re: (fax) Coeur Atomique confusion On Friday, March 5, 2004, at 02:08 PM, jackthetab wrote: > i do not have the vinyl release of this, but > from past experiences with the vinyl versions > over the cd versions - the vinyl versions usually > are just condensed versions of which you find on > the cd. > thanks Jack and trevor i haven't played it see the difference because my turntable is messed up. i need a new one somehow i ended up with 2 copies of this 12" i think i'll probably sell both. one is mint the other is in good condition. i'll post the ebay auction once i list them thanks jeff >> >>> the cd listed this: >>> Sundance (101 Mix) 6.26 >>> >>> the 12" lists this: >>> Sundance (101 Mix) 4.37 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 16:11:29 -0500 From: micah stupak Subject: (fax) question for the hardcore collectors something i'm just curious about - which was the first disc that had the title written on the spine in the fax circle font thingie? - --- micah stupak micah@benthic.cc www.benthic.cc benthic recordings - soundings from unexplored places ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 22:56:00 -0000 From: "David Calvert" Subject: (fax) FA: Pete Namlook - Sequential (PK08/73) and Escape (PK08/87) Just listed ... Pete Namlook/Dr Atmo - Escape (PK08/87, double) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1577&item=4000425553 Pete Namlook/DJ Criss/Tetsu Inoue - Sequential (PK08/ http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1577&item=4000425557 also a couple of original, digipack, em:t label CD's (Slim and Natural Language) http://cgi6.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&useri d=dakota.boo&include=0&since=1&sort=2&rows=50 e-mail: dakota.boo@pop3.hiway.co.uk web page: http://home.hiway.co.uk/boo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 15:22:38 +0100 From: istenrud@broadpark.no Subject: (fax) Sequential (PK08/73) Mr. Koolman reeeeeally ought to re-release SEQUENTIAL.. It's so damn good and only 500 copies were released 10 years ago!! Even the trancier tracks stand the test of time, imo.. Any chance of this happening? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 08:35:44 -0000 From: Richard Hughes Subject: RE: (fax) Coeur Atomique confusion Jeff: I think this has come up before, but basically the CD lists the two mixes of Sundance the wrong way round. The second track on the CD is the RZ1 mix NOT the 101 mix hence the track time of 6.26 whereas the last track on the CD is the 101 mix. The timings on the vinyl are the correct ones. Best, Rich - -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Birgbauer [mailto:loststar@comcast.net] Sent: 05 March 2004 19:49 To: faxlist@2350.org Subject: Re: (fax) Coeur Atomique confusion i can't believe no ones knows the answer :( thanks Jeff On Thursday, March 4, 2004, at 12:15 PM, Jeff Birgbauer wrote: > the cd listed this: > Sundance (101 Mix) 6.26 > > the 12" lists this: > Sundance (101 Mix) 4.37 > > are these the same versions and just the time mislabled on the 12? > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to Online > + info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax + www.2350.org ********************************************************************** The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee and access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. 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If so, what tracks would you pick to be on the compilation? I'm primarily interested because several stores have asked for promo compilations in order to decide if they should carry the label. I have my own ideas, but I'd be interested in hearing from anyone out there who has ideas on how to promote the label. Since we're interested in promotion, I think the only parameter I would throw out there is that most, if not all, of the tracks should be currently available, even if they are on reissues. So a compilation consisting of tracks only from From Within, Hearts of Space, Sequential, and Electro Harmonix, wouldn't be helpful. Feel free to email your ideas to me, and I can summarize to the list. Or, given that traffic is low, perhaps posting to the list would be OK...Warren? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:27:24 -0600 From: Warren Lapham Subject: Re: (fax) new FAX compilation ideas On Mar 8, 2004, at 5:07 PM, Dave at Fax Label USA wrote: > Feel free to email your ideas to me, and I can summarize to the list. > Or, given that traffic is low, perhaps posting to the list would be > OK...Warren? > This seems totally appropriate to me. Maybe even...a good topic to start a thread. w. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 21:15:35 -0700 From: "Dave @ Fax USA (EAR/Rational Music)" Subject: (fax) Re: new FAX compilation ideas Warren thought it would be a good idea if I included a list of FAX CDs that are currently available in order to make it easier to come up with a compilation that consists predominantly of tracks that people can still get. Note that there are CDs that are not on this list that are still available from various online sources even though they are no longer available through the FAX supply chain (i.e., they're no longer available from FAX Germany or from FAX USA). I also removed several titles that are superseded by the MP3-CDs (e.g., Jet Chamber V, Silence, etc.) Since the MP3-CDs are available, it's fair game to include any of the tracks from any of the included CDs. Dave MP3 001 Silence I-V MP3 MP3 002 2350 Broadway Collection MP3 003 Psychonavigation Collection MP3 004 Move D/Namlook Collection MP3 005 Jet Chamber Collection MP3 006 Namlook Collection I AW 004 Dark Side of the Moog AW 006 Dark Side of the Moog 2 AW 008 Dark Side of the Moog 3 AW 011 Dark Side of the Moog 4 AW 012 Dreamfish AW 013 Transonic AW 015 Dark Side of the Moog 5 AW 018 Shades of Orion AW 020 Dreamfish 2 AW 021 Hemisphere AW 022 Outland AW 023 Evolution of DSOTM AW 024 Shades of Orion 2 AW 025 Outland 2 AW 026 Outland 3 AW 026 Shades of Orion 3 AW 028 Air III AW 029 Dark Side of the Moog 6 AW 030 Organic Cloud AW 031 Air IV PK 08/08 A View to a Chill PK 08/90 Namlook V PK 08/98 Putney 2 PK 08/100 Namlook X PK 08/103 Kooler PK 08/106 Koolfang 2 PK 08/107 Atom PK 08/109 Elektro PK 08/126 Elektro 2 PK 08/129 Amp 2 PK 08/131 Hubertus Held PK 08/138 Miles Apart PK 08/140 Polytime PK 08/148 Free Your Mind PK 08/151 Possible Gardens PK 08/152 Audiolounge PK 08/153 Adlernebel PK 08/155 4 Voice 3 PK 08/156 New Organic Life PK 08/159 New Organic Life II PK 08/164 Home Shopping PK 08/165 Virtual Vices IV PK 08/166 New Organic Life III PK 08/167 Music for Urban Meditation PS 08/45 Sad World 2 PS 08/47 Gate/Sol PS 08/52 A Day in the Park PS 08/54 Recurring Dreams of the Urban Myth PS 08/55 Whole Traffic 2 PS 08/58 Aerial Service Area PS 08/59 Xjacks PS 08/60 Otras PS 08/62 Bedroom PS 08/63 Solitaire PS 08/64 UVOII PS 08/65 Xangadix PS 08/67 Transonic 2 PS 08/68 Otras 2 PS 08/69 Wireless PS 08/70 MS Series PS 08/71 Solphax PS 08/72 Aerial Service Area 2 PS 08/73 Xangadix 2 PS 08/74 In Starless Space PS 08/75 Modula Green PS 08/76 My Fascinating Instrument PS 08/77 Fanger & Siebert PS 08/79 Octopus PS 08/82 Sad World 3 PS 08/89 Octopus 3 PS 08/90 Drum Machine Circle - Dada PS 08/91 Sferics PS 08/96 Vrs Mbnt Pcs 95-98 II PS 08/97 Audio PS 08/98 Invisible Fields PS 08/99 Stardust PS 08/100 Elixir of Life PS 08/101 Eisblumen PS 08/102 Was Here PS 08/103 Advanced Indigo PS 08/104 Magic Diner PS 08/105 Pop for Dwoozle PS 08/106 Earthling PW 14 Alien Community 2 PW 15 Create PW 18 A New Consciousness 2 PW 38 Planetarium PW 42 Planetarium 2 SEA 04 Autumn Y-T 2 Wandering Soul Y-T 3 Sunken Road ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 00:07:29 -0500 From: Jeff Birgbauer Subject: Re: (fax) Coeur Atomique confusion thanks Rich > > I think this has come up before, but basically the CD lists the two > mixes of > Sundance the wrong way round. The second track on the CD is the RZ1 > mix NOT > the 101 mix hence the track time of 6.26 whereas the last track on the > CD is > the 101 mix. The timings on the vinyl are the correct ones. > cool i can sell both my copies thanks jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:29:43 -0600 (CST) From: Trevor Cordes Subject: Re: (fax) Re: new FAX compilation ideas On 8 Mar, Dave @ Fax USA (EAR/Rational Music) wrote: > Warren thought it would be a good idea if I included a list of FAX CDs > that are currently available in order to make it easier to come up with > a compilation that consists predominantly of tracks that people can I'll have to go through the list later to form my opinions ;-) One thing I immediately thought of though: how about doing 2 categories (ie: 2 separate compilations), one that is "accessible" music and the other for "non-accessible". For instance, Adlernebel, 4 Voice 3, much of Move D/Nam, much of VV, etc, would be what I'd call "accessible". Accessible is stuff that people not into the scene would be able to listen to and like. Non-accessible (but still good) would be most early DSotM, some Shades, most of the Namlook series, and most of the pure ambient stuff. Also, I don't think you'd be too successful putting out the experimental/harsh stuff (Putney 2 and Octopus X please stand up) onto sampler comps. After all, how many of us here were drawn into FAX in the first place by the 1993 accessible trance releases? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 00:43:30 EST From: Riouxs@aol.com Subject: Re: (fax) Re: new FAX compilation ideas > After all, how many of us here were drawn into FAX in the first place by > the 1993 accessible trance releases? Not really. It was finding the extremely available and accesible Instinct FAX comps. 1 & 2 that got me started. Jason ps - While I'm writing...I'm looking for a copy of 62 Eulengasse. Anybody with an extra for sale or for trade? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:47:44 -0600 (CST) From: Trevor Cordes Subject: Re: (fax) Re: new FAX compilation ideas On 9 Mar, Riouxs@aol.com wrote: > > >> After all, how many of us here were drawn into FAX in the first place by >> the 1993 accessible trance releases? > > Not really. It was finding the extremely available and accesible Instinct > FAX comps. 1 & 2 that got me started. OK, that makes sense too. Like my statement, yours also contains the "accessible" aspect. The Instinct FAX stuff was mostly the (semi-)accessible Air 1+2, SW 1+2, and less so AC 1+2. And I guess you're right... my 3rd FAX CD ever was the Instinct Compilation 1 2CD. Kisy Loa (and Biotrip, and...) really blew me away back then (still does!) :-) Bottom line... try to hook people with the accessible, then they'll be curious to try out the rest. ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2004 #29 ******************************* --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org