From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2004 #32 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Monday, March 15 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 032 (fax) FA: Hearts of Space (PK08/81) and Interactive Music (RI 027) (fax) Space and PK Re: (fax) Space and PK (fax) SOL Re: (fax) SOL Re: (fax) question for the hardcore collectors (fax) bounced over from the laswell list... Re: (fax) bounced over from the laswell list... Re: (fax) Laswell's farts RE: (fax) Laswell's farts (fax) FAX - hearts of space rant Re: (fax) FAX - hearts of space rant Re: (fax) FAX - hearts of space rant (fax) Namlook III Re: (fax) Namlook III Re: (fax) FAX - hearts of space rant Re: (fax) Namlook III Re: (fax) Namlook III Re: (fax) Namlook III Re: (fax) Namlook III Re: (fax) Namlook III Re: (fax) FAX - hearts of space rant Re: (fax) Namlook III Re: (fax) Namlook III (fax) FA: Pete Namlook - Silence II (PK08/68) and Atom Heart/Tetsu Inoue - Masters of Psychedelic Ambience (RI 028) Re: (fax) Namlook III Re: (fax) Namlook III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:33:26 -0000 From: "David Calvert" Subject: (fax) FA: Hearts of Space (PK08/81) and Interactive Music (RI 027) Auctions end in under 1 day ... Pete Namlook - Hearts of Space (PK08/81) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1577&item=4000424550 Atom Heart - Interactive Music (RI 027) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1577&item=4000424687 Auctions ending in 2 days ... Pete Namlook - Escape (PK08/87, double) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1577&item=4000425553 Pete Namlook - Sequential (PK08/73) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1577&item=4000425557 e-mail: dakota.boo@pop3.hiway.co.uk web page: http://home.hiway.co.uk/boo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:52:54 -0600 From: Trevor Cordes Subject: (fax) Space and PK I recall the argument on the list a while back discussing the Mars missions and whether they're a waste of money or not... (Just) Listening to (and enjoying! ... wink wink) 4Voice 3 PK08/155 again, I noticed PK had included a sample: "The conquest of space represents an investments in the future of the entire human race" (sounds like a Russian accent -- anyone know where this sample is from?) I think this hints at PK's thoughts on the matter. Of course, it's convenient that this corresponds with my opinion ;-) Great track too... good car CD. 3 & 6 are amazing. 2 is good, 5 ok, and 4 makes a nice chill interlude. I love how 6 starts out with a lame house beat and you starting thinking it'll suck... then... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 23:30:47 -0000 From: "Zoetosis" Subject: Re: (fax) Space and PK The quote "The conquest of space represents an investments in the future of the entire human race" is from the James Bond film Moonraker. The quote was made by the villain, the power-mad aerospace magnate Hugo Drax. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trevor Cordes" To: Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 10:52 PM Subject: (fax) Space and PK > I recall the argument on the list a while back discussing the Mars > missions and whether they're a waste of money or not... > > (Just) Listening to (and enjoying! ... wink wink) 4Voice 3 PK08/155 again, > I noticed PK had included a sample: > > "The conquest of space represents an investments in the future of the > entire human race" > > (sounds like a Russian accent -- anyone know where this sample is from?) > > I think this hints at PK's thoughts on the matter. Of course, it's > convenient that this corresponds with my opinion ;-) > > Great track too... good car CD. 3 & 6 are amazing. 2 is good, 5 ok, and > 4 makes a nice chill interlude. I love how 6 starts out with a lame house > beat and you starting thinking it'll suck... then... > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:35:53 -0600 From: Trevor Cordes Subject: (fax) SOL Looking at SOL - Stardust for the second time since I bought it... The artists are listed as: Christian Schek and Ramin Naghachian Are these the same guys as Krystian Schek (Eisblumen) and Ramin from Sad World et al.? Otherwise... weird coincidence! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:16:15 +0100 From: "Richard Hughes" Subject: Re: (fax) SOL Short answer is yes. - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Trevor Cordes" To: Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 3:35 AM Subject: (fax) SOL > Looking at SOL - Stardust for the second time since I bought it... The = > artists are listed as: >=20 > Christian Schek and Ramin Naghachian >=20 > Are these the same guys as Krystian Schek (Eisblumen) and Ramin from = Sad=20 > World et al.? >=20 > Otherwise... weird coincidence! > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: = > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org >=20 > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:17:27 +0100 From: "Richard Hughes" Subject: Re: (fax) question for the hardcore collectors Amp (first overall) Ozoona first on PW label Octopus 2 first on PS label - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "micah stupak" To: "faxfolk" Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 10:11 PM Subject: (fax) question for the hardcore collectors > something i'm just curious about - >=20 > which was the first disc that had the title written on the spine in > the fax circle font thingie? >=20 > --- > micah stupak > micah@benthic.cc > www.benthic.cc > benthic recordings - soundings from unexplored places >=20 > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: = > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org >=20 > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:56:50 -0500 From: micah stupak Subject: (fax) bounced over from the laswell list... so, any thoughts? ;) - --- micah stupak micah@benthic.cc www.benthic.cc benthic recordings - soundings from unexplored places FORWARDED MESSAGE FOLLOWS: From: MrBeefy To: laswell@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 12, 2004, 1:48:32 PM Subject: [laswell] A new topic for those who wish it I posted this one five years ago, but it didn't spark any discussion. I'd be interested still to hear anyone's take on it: In Psychonavigation 2, Track 4: "The Hell of the Same" around 4 minutes 20 seconds, a sound is made that sounds exactly as it would if someone were to grab a microphone and fart into it. (with reverb) I don't think it's beyond the scope of possiblity that this is what we're listening to. If you're capable of releasing a song called "My Balls / Your Chin," this would be par for the course. Thoughts? The Bill Laswell mailing list - Nothing is true, everything is permitted. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/laswell/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: laswell-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:08:13 -0800 From: "sanvara" Subject: Re: (fax) bounced over from the laswell list... I'm not sure there is any commentary or analysis to add to this other than maybe someone can do a spectral analysis of the sound on the CD and of a real fart through reverb and compare them? > so, any thoughts? ;) > > --- > micah stupak > micah@benthic.cc > www.benthic.cc > benthic recordings - soundings from unexplored places > In Psychonavigation 2, Track 4: "The Hell of the Same" around 4 minutes > 20 seconds, a sound is made that sounds exactly as it would if someone > were to grab a microphone and fart into it. (with reverb) > > I don't think it's beyond the scope of possiblity that this is what > we're listening to. If you're capable of releasing a song called "My > Balls / Your Chin," this would be par for the course. > > > Thoughts? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:27:47 -0600 (CST) From: Trevor Cordes Subject: Re: (fax) Laswell's farts >> In Psychonavigation 2, Track 4: "The Hell of the Same" around 4 minutes >> 20 seconds, a sound is made that sounds exactly as it would if someone >> were to grab a microphone and fart into it. (with reverb) I just played it and ya, I've always wondered the same thing. It sure does sound like a real squeaker. Hey, we're the suckers stupid enough to buy this stuff! ;-) $13 for Laswell's farts... >> we're listening to. If you're capable of releasing a song called "My >> Balls / Your Chin," this would be par for the course. Hmm, maybe the inspiration for "Boy with Balls on Chin"? ;-) (South Park fans will know what I'm talking about) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:08:49 +1100 From: "electroteque" Subject: RE: (fax) Laswell's farts I think its a sneeze ? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-faxlist@2350.org [mailto:owner-faxlist@2350.org]On Behalf Of Trevor Cordes Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 8:28 AM To: faxlist@2350.org Subject: Re: (fax) Laswell's farts >> In Psychonavigation 2, Track 4: "The Hell of the Same" around 4 minutes >> 20 seconds, a sound is made that sounds exactly as it would if someone >> were to grab a microphone and fart into it. (with reverb) I just played it and ya, I've always wondered the same thing. It sure does sound like a real squeaker. Hey, we're the suckers stupid enough to buy this stuff! ;-) $13 for Laswell's farts... >> we're listening to. If you're capable of releasing a song called "My >> Balls / Your Chin," this would be par for the course. Hmm, maybe the inspiration for "Boy with Balls on Chin"? ;-) (South Park fans will know what I'm talking about) - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 01:22:41 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: (fax) FAX - hearts of space rant should i just assume that i will never get hearts of space? certainly i cannot afford to pay the ebay prices. i just seemingly am always outbid :-( what does it take besides money? kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /___ http://www.capital.net/~soylent ___\ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 02:04:23 -0500 From: MuzikJunky Subject: Re: (fax) FAX - hearts of space rant > what does it take besides money? An account at the iTunes music store? ;) Peace. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:28:06 -0800 From: "sanvara" Subject: Re: (fax) FAX - hearts of space rant Yeah, I would never pay big bucks on Ebay for a Fax CD if it was available at iTunes. Of course that's easy to say for those of us who have them all...hehehehe. :-P > > what does it take besides money? > > An account at the iTunes music store? ;) Peace. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 03:05:23 -0500 From: MuzikJunky Subject: (fax) Namlook III Well, guys, after many years, I had a chance to the controversial "Namlook III." It's obvious why this release is so divisive: it's completely atonal! It sounds like an homage to the electronic composers of yesteryear (Western classical-music composers, that is), in particular Pierre Henry: an entirely cybernetic world where every natural sound is really an electronic blip of some sort. This release could even be considered as the first atonal ambient/spacemusic piece! Obviously, this work laid the groundwork for the "Alien Community" series. I love it! Peace. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 01:38:13 -0800 From: David Jones Subject: Re: (fax) Namlook III On Mar 13, 2004, at 00:05, MuzikJunky wrote: > it's completely atonal! Nah, it's not divisive because it's atonal, it's divisive because it's BAD atonal. Just because something is atonal does not mean that it has to be dull and chaotic. People often use the excuse that music is atonal or 'difficult' when really they are trying to say that it's senseless, pointless, meandering, knob-twiddling whanckery at it's dullest! :-). Namlook can do good atonal (as Autumn showed) but he definitely wasn't there yet when he did III. It's like those incredibly dull samplers made for new instruments: 'Listen to all the freaky sounds I can make with my fancy new instrument! You too, could make these same freaky sounds if you bought this instrument!' The point being that just because you can make the freaky sounds doesn't make it music (or even a decent sound sculpture or tone poem or furniture music or ambience). Still if someone gets some enjoyment out of it, I guess it can't be _completely_ horrific, can it! ;-) Sorry, but I had to listen to not one, but _two_, seriously over-long pieces like this at Other Minds X last week and I just can't be forgiving of composers that are afraid to actually write music rather than an incoherent sequence of sounds. The point is to find the meaningful combinations in the available music space, not just any combination, and if you can't, at least make the damn thing short! :-) (Follow those up with two nerve-wrackingly loud Dhomont pieces and you've got the recipe for a major migraine! Don't get me wrong, I actually liked the Dhomont pieces, they were just too loud for what they were and the space where they were being played.) > in particular Pierre Henry: Actually, I think the primary influence was and the hommage is to Oskar Sala, as it sounds like an extended, repetitious remix of parts of "My Fascinating Instrument". > This release could even be considered as the first atonal > ambient/spacemusic piece! Nah, it's 30-50 years too late to be called the 'first'... Heck, look at the soundtracks to Fantastic Planet or 2001. > Obviously, this work laid the groundwork for the "Alien Community" > series. Yes, but the ACs actually go somewhere (even if they do ramble at times and are probably twice as long as they need to be). The ACs are definitely in my top 10 of Fax CDs. David "I bought Namlook III and both Oskar Sala CDs twice each. Once because I buy every new Fax and secondly because I thought I might have been too hard on them in the first place. Traded them all again in aggravated disgust (along with "Glitch" -- ewwww!)." Jones ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 12:48:57 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) FAX - hearts of space rant anyone want to sell a copy for $200? kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /___ http://www.capital.net/~soylent ___\ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 13:29:53 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) Namlook III i do not find namlook III to be dull by any means. to me, it is the most difficult fax release to get into and enjoy (i also found amp to be difficult, and i still do not like the series). there is a good sense of experimentalism within the folds of this album. it is nice to see that namlook just did not stick with ambient and trance music. after a while, you get tired of the same old ambient samples being used. i do not expect those who are not into such forms of music to really like such and album. maybe i like this because it is such a challenge on weak ears. it certainly strays from the usual fax meanderings. << Subject: Re: (fax) Namlook III > i do not find namlook III to be dull by any means. > to me, it is the most difficult fax release to get > into and enjoy (i also found amp to be difficult, and > i still do not like the series). > > there is a good sense of experimentalism within the > folds of this album. it is nice to see that namlook > just did not stick with ambient and trance music. I feel sorry for Namlook III because I think it's taken a bad rap over the years. I also like III. It's not my favorite by any means, and yes it is difficult, but I love the experimental space stuff. Knob twiddling, maybe, but isn't that what makes FAX great in the first place? I mean leave the beautiful synthesizer compositions to Klaus Schulze. Give III some time and I think you will realize it's not as bad as you might think. :-:-:-:-:-:-: Stephen Philips Dark Duck Records http://www.darkduck.net Drone Download Project | http://www.darkduck.net/drone.htm Dissonance Records [guitar::noise::experimental::shoegazer] | http://www.dissonancerecords.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 11:35:33 -0800 From: David Jones Subject: Re: (fax) Namlook III On Mar 13, 2004, at 10:29, jackthetab wrote: > maybe i like this because it is such a challenge on weak ears. Ahh, those same old tired excuses. 'You can't handle it because your ears are weak. You don't have the intelligence to understand it. You don't know what it means.' No, I don't have weak ears. Yes, I have the intelligence to understand it. I do know what it means. I just don't like it because I know that it's whanckery. The music doesn't say anything. > it certainly strays from the usual fax meanderings. And what makes you think that most people don't like it because of that? Sure, the folks that are just into the trance, the ambient or the electronica on the label might have a hard time with that, but I'm not one of those. No, when I have a problem with a Fax release, it's not because it's of a particular genre, it's because it isn't a good example of that genre. And even then I can be very forgiving. I like the 'jazz' releases on Fax, even though chunks of them are way too cheesy to be considered good jazz. But then again, the cheesy parts seem to be on purpose; sorta a 'look at us German folk do jazz' nudge-nudge, wink-wink. The best thing about Fax has been the insanely broad range of music that has made it onto the label. And my music collection is probably just as varied as yours, Jack (glad to see you got rid of that silly-ass Zothboy address!), and I don't stray from music because it's difficult, I just want it to have either some beauty, emotion, truth or narrative in it. Some people always do atonal well and others don't. It's as simple as that. Namlook missed with III, but he hit with Autumn and the ACs. Think about it, Namlook isn't an academic, nor is he a purist, so it stands to reason that he isn't always going to be spot-on with a new genre of music. AFAIK, Namlook III was his first shot at atonal, and it didn't work. He found an artist that meant a lot to him and found the gear he needed and made an album. It was an interesting side-venture that just missed. When he combines atonal in pieces with other elements it always works better. After all, atonal has always been better for sound effects or as an element in a greater narrrative then it has been for standalone pieces. > you are being overly critical of something you cannot handle :-) No, overly critical of something that I don't like for very specific reasons and think Namlook should never have committed to a distributed recording. I respect Namlook probably more than any other artist making music today, but, sorry, this release just doesn't cut it. I'm glad that some people can enjoy it, as I'd hate to see them just added to a trash heap somewhere and I'm glad someone bought the copies that I traded, but I really have to wonder in what conditions they can enjoy it. I'd like to say it is enjoyable in small snippets, but it's the only release fragment I always skip when listening to View to a Chill. David np: Modula Green next: Shades of Orion III ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 12:03:13 -0800 From: David Jones Subject: Re: (fax) Namlook III On Mar 13, 2004, at 07:38, RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > further back than that...Luigi Russolo (besides writing the Futurist > Manifesto) was making atonal music at the turn of the century.... > > Stockhausen did the same in the 50's Yes, but I was responding to the 'ambient/space music' part of it, not the atonal part. It took the space-race craze, the corresponding cinema and the diffusion of synthesizers to create the supply and demand for using decidedly 'spacy' atonal elements or pieces in soundtracks and other non-film related music. The music before that was atonal, but it wasn't for the most part, spacy, it was more geared towards classical forms. It sorta leads to a chicken and the egg problem, though. Do we consider atonal spacy because it's used in scifi, or do we use it in scifi because it's spacy? And let's not forget the drug connotations that became synonymous with atonal music in the 60s and 70s! 'Whoo! Trippy, man, that sounds like a flute played by dying elephant, man! ' The best use of atonal music, IMO, definitely has to be in cartoon space adventures! From Duck Dodgers to Captain Hoeck and Cadet Stimpy, nothing has ever worked better for the sheer nuttiness of over-the-top scifi madness! David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 15:26:03 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) Namlook III i hope that i did not imply that "You don't have the intelligence to understand it", because that is certainly not the way it was intended. maybe the music does not say anything, but i think you could say that about a lot of fax releases (amp, atom, ambiant otaku, outer dark, cymatic scan, datacide etc...). <<>> i dont know, that is why this is a discussion list. there is an interest in me that wonders why people do not like this release. from the people i have chatted with who do not like this release, believe that it is too disjointed and too hard to listen too. some people have stated that it is not even ambient sounding. a sound collage? i do find namlook III to have some beauty and emotion, and i do not expect everyone to understand why i like it so much. examples - beginning of track three - -3:30 of track five - -4:45 of track seven and the entire track eight the use of bass and quirky alien bleeps, tones and loops satisfies my speakers and my ears. it sounds more "alien" than alien community (and i love alien community). i will agree with the cheesey fax jazz you mentioned, yet the albums still work overall. kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /___ http://www.capital.net/~soylent ___\ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Jones" To: "Fax Label Discussion Group" Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 2:35 PM Subject: Re: (fax) Namlook III > On Mar 13, 2004, at 10:29, jackthetab wrote: > > maybe i like this because it is such a challenge on weak ears. > > Ahh, those same old tired excuses. 'You can't handle it because your > ears are weak. You don't have the intelligence to understand it. You > don't know what it means.' > > No, I don't have weak ears. Yes, I have the intelligence to understand > it. I do know what it means. I just don't like it because I know that > it's whanckery. The music doesn't say anything. > > > it certainly strays from the usual fax meanderings. > > And what makes you think that most people don't like it because of > that? Sure, the folks that are just into the trance, the ambient or the > electronica on the label might have a hard time with that, but I'm not > one of those. No, when I have a problem with a Fax release, it's not > because it's of a particular genre, it's because it isn't a good > example of that genre. And even then I can be very forgiving. I like > the 'jazz' releases on Fax, even though chunks of them are way too > cheesy to be considered good jazz. But then again, the cheesy parts > seem to be on purpose; sorta a 'look at us German folk do jazz' > nudge-nudge, wink-wink. > > The best thing about Fax has been the insanely broad range of music > that has made it onto the label. And my music collection is probably > just as varied as yours, Jack (glad to see you got rid of that > silly-ass Zothboy address!), and I don't stray from music because it's > difficult, I just want it to have either some beauty, emotion, truth or > narrative in it. > > Some people always do atonal well and others don't. It's as simple as > that. Namlook missed with III, but he hit with Autumn and the ACs. > Think about it, Namlook isn't an academic, nor is he a purist, so it > stands to reason that he isn't always going to be spot-on with a new > genre of music. AFAIK, Namlook III was his first shot at atonal, and it > didn't work. He found an artist that meant a lot to him and found the > gear he needed and made an album. It was an interesting side-venture > that just missed. When he combines atonal in pieces with other elements > it always works better. After all, atonal has always been better for > sound effects or as an element in a greater narrrative then it has been > for standalone pieces. > > > you are being overly critical of something you cannot handle :-) > > No, overly critical of something that I don't like for very specific > reasons and think Namlook should never have committed to a distributed > recording. I respect Namlook probably more than any other artist making > music today, but, sorry, this release just doesn't cut it. > > I'm glad that some people can enjoy it, as I'd hate to see them just > added to a trash heap somewhere and I'm glad someone bought the copies > that I traded, but I really have to wonder in what conditions they can > enjoy it. I'd like to say it is enjoyable in small snippets, but it's > the only release fragment I always skip when listening to View to a > Chill. > > David > > np: Modula Green > next: Shades of Orion III > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 16:08:20 -0600 (CST) From: Trevor Cordes Subject: Re: (fax) FAX - hearts of space rant On 13 Mar, jackthetab wrote: > should i just assume that i will never get > hearts of space? [...] > what does it take besides money? Get everyone you know who likes FAX to preorder the HoS reissue on Dave's Ear-Rational web site!!! If we can get enough then it will be reissued. There's got to be at least 30-60 people on this list plus if each knows 1 or 2 people off the list, that's the 200-250 we need. I'm sure there will be no problem for FAX/FAX-USA to sell the rest over a year or two. Hell, even reissues seem to go up in value on ebay sometimes (once they're unavailable), so order 2 and make some money! PS: I'd offer $250 for HoS original N.MINT ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 01:18:34 -0500 From: MuzikJunky Subject: Re: (fax) Namlook III > Yes, but I was responding to the 'ambient/space music' part of it, not > the atonal part. It took the space-race craze, the corresponding > cinema and the diffusion of synthesizers to create the supply and > demand for using decidedly 'spacy' atonal elements or pieces in > soundtracks and other non-film related music. The Barrons' "Fantastic Planet" score isn't spacemusic, per se, as is Eno and the like, but it is academic in the way the traditional electronic-music composers are (nor do you find it in the ambient, electronica, techno, or new age sections)--that's why I classified "N-III" as spacemusic. Peace. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 04:16:34 -0600 (CST) From: Trevor Cordes Subject: Re: (fax) Namlook III On 13 Mar, David Jones wrote: > > No, I don't have weak ears. Yes, I have the intelligence to understand > it. I do know what it means. I just don't like it because I know that > it's whanckery. The music doesn't say anything. I just gave it 2 listens (the first in a long long time) and I find I agree with David, sort of. It doesn't really do anything for me. However, it is not bad or irritating like some other releases. Nam3 won't give me a headache. Most of the time you don't really know it's there. But it does almost nothing to excite my ears or brain so that makes it a lacklustre release that will rarely get played. Weird that you guys liken it to AC as I quite enjoy the AC's (2 better than 1) and see very little similar between those and Nam3. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:21:10 -0000 From: "David Calvert" Subject: (fax) FA: Pete Namlook - Silence II (PK08/68) and Atom Heart/Tetsu Inoue - Masters of Psychedelic Ambience (RI 028) Just listed ... Pete Namlook - Silence II (PK08/68) original Fax label pressing (SEALED) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1577&item=4001974867 Atom Heart/Tetsu Inoue - Masters of Psychedelic Ambience (RI 028) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1577&item=4001974891 plus Qubism (em:t original), 2 Lone Swordsmen, Sun Electric and others http://cgi6.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&useri d=dakota.boo&include=0&since=1&sort=2&rows=50 e-mail: dakota.boo@pop3.hiway.co.uk web page: http://home.hiway.co.uk/boo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:23:41 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) Namlook III <<>> there are a lot of samples and melodies that are similiar in both namlook III and both alien community albums. the direction that these albums take are different, but there are a lot of recycled samples. kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /___ http://www.capital.net/~soylent ___\ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:18:04 -0800 From: David Jones Subject: Re: (fax) Namlook III On Mar 13, 2004, at 22:18, MuzikJunky wrote: > The Barrons' "Fantastic Planet" score isn't spacemusic, per se, as is > Eno and the like, but it is academic in the way the traditional > electronic-music composers are (nor do you find it in the ambient, > electronica, techno, or new age sections)--that's why I classified > "N-III" as spacemusic. Peace. Weird, we always seem to call the two "f*in" Planet movies by the other's name all the time, don't we? We're of course talking about the soundtrack to _Forbidden_ Planet. [ If that movie weren't so gosh-darn awful, it could be one of the best scifi movies ever made. They had so many great elements, but, dang, they got _way too_ many of them completely wrong! ] Anyway, the time that I watched it as an adult (actually just last year), the first thought I had when listening to parts of the soundtrack was "this sounds a lot like Namlook III to me" -- and it really did little more for me on it's own than III does. But that brings up an interesting point. While I never would want to sit down and just listen to the Forbidden Planet soundtrack, I think it does an amazing job of heightening the experience of the film. I wonder if a similar connection would work for III for me; that is, if III were the soundtrack to some film, whether or not that would allow me to appreciate it more. I just might pick it up again the next time I see it and play it along with one of my scifi DVDs (say, Alien 3, Pitch Black or parts of Lynch's Dune). That would be the opposite of Music for Ballet. I love the CD, but I wonder if I would enjoy it as much in connection with the dance performance. Too bad they never released a DVD of that performance, the clip at http://www.canon.co.jp/cast/artlab/pros2/works/qt/e-clips-c.mov looks interesting... < all of this talk of III is appropriate as it's 10 year anniversary is fast approaching on April 18... > :-) David ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2004 #32 ******************************* --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org