From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2004 #46 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Saturday, May 22 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 046 (fax) cool new stuff @ Playing By Ear... (fax) for your listening pleasure......... 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BASINSKI, WILLIAM: The Disintegration Loops CD (2062 0201). BASINSKI, WILLIAM: The Disintegration Loops II CD (2062 0202). BASINSKI, WILLIAM: The Disintegration Loops III CD (2062 0304). BASINSKI, WILLIAM: The Disintegration Loops IV CD (2062 0305). BASS COMMUNION: Ghosts On Magnetic Tape CD (BC CD 9). BLACK DEVIL: Disco Club CD (REPH 146CD). BLACK DEVIL: Disco Club 12" (REPH 146REP). BLACK DEVIL: Disco Club 12" (REPH 146TEP). CASCONE, KIM: Gravity Handler CD (CRC 001CD). CYNE: Growing EP 12" (BLOCK 026EP). DECEPTIKON: Lost Subject CD (MERCK 027CD). EASTLEY & DAVID TOOP, MAX: Doll Creature CD (BLEEP 25). FERENC/NAUM: Speicher 17 12" (KOM EX017). ILAR, ANDERS: Rendthree EP 12" (PLONG 11). JVOX: sunshine/BTO (clear vinyl) 7" (MD119). - http://www.n5md.com/ KAITO: Soul of Heart 12" (KOM 099EP). KENJI, NAOKI: Ecoustic CD (e10000011cd). - new on KIRK, RICHARD H.: Earlier/Later: Unreleased Projects Anthology 74/89 2CD=20 (KIRK 006CD). KIRK, RICHARD H.: Detonate/Reworks EP 12" (KIRK 006EP). KLEINE, CHRISTIAN: Real Ghosts CD (CCO 019CD). KLEINE, CHRISTIAN: Real Ghosts LP (TOWERBLOCK 019). - VINYL VERSION KLIMEK: Milk & Honey CD (KOMP 033CD). - brilliant new ambient KLIMEK: Milk & Honey LP (KOM 098LP). - VINYL VERSION LIDBO, HAKAN: Clockwise Remixes CD (STRIKE 046CD). -=20 http://www.shitkatapult.com/v3.1/ LIDBO, HAKAN: Clockwise Remixes 12" (STRIKE 046EP). LUCIEN & LUCIANO: Blind Behaviour CD (PF G052CD). LUCKY & EASY: Talent Hoover CD (ANN 003CD). - aka PUB MENCHE, DANIEL: Eye On The Steel CD (SUBSF 07). MOLINA, ANGEL: Fragil Discos Mix: Pasada Profesional CD (RED 003 CD). -=20 restock...recommended MIX CD PROEM: live_MD CD (MD116). - recommended restock! REMOTE VIEWER: You're Going To Love Our Defeatist Attitude CD (BLOCK 025CD). REMOTE VIEWER: You're Going To Love Our Defeatist Attitude LP (BLOCK=20 025LP). - VINYL VERSION RIP-OFF ARTIST, THE: New Clear Days CD (FLAT 005CD). SANDOZ: Digital Lifeforms Redux 2CD (KIRK 007CD). SANDOZ: Return to the Heart of Darkness/Reworks EP 12" (KIRK 007EP). SMASH TV: Bits For Breakfast CD (BPC 087CD). SMASH TV: Bits For Breakfast 2LP (BPC 087LP). - DOUBLE VINYL VERSION SYLVAIN/RYUICHI SAKAMOTO, DAVID: World Citizen CD (SAMAD 002CD). TBA (AKA NATALIE 'TUSIA' BERIDZE): TBA CD (MAXE 005 CD). VA: Bip_Hop Generation Vol. 7 CD (BLEEP 24). VA: Music For Children CD (BRUCH 001 CD). - http://www.bruchstuecke.com/ VA: Post Office Vol. 2 CD (TEL 013CD). VA: Post Office Vol. 2 2LP (TEL 013LP). - DOUBLE VINYL VERSION VESNA: Snow Sences CD (n5MD 122). - http://www.n5md.com/ WRUHME, ROBAG: Wuzzelbud "KK" 12" (MUSIK 011EP). ZOVIET FRANCE: Popular Soviet Songs And Youth Music 3CD (STCD 024). -=20 special package / limited edition _____________________________________ coming soon... FEHLMANN, THOMAS: Little Big Horn 12" (KOM 097EP). ICARUS: I Tweet the Birdy Electric CD (BAY 036CD). ICARUS: I Tweet the Birdy Electric LP (BAY 036LP). - VINYL VERSION JUNIOR BOYS: Last Exit CD (KIN 003CD). LANDAU: Thepicompromise CD (MERCK 028). MURCOF: Utopia Remixes 12" (DOCK 040EP). - rmxs by Sutekh & Fax MUSLIMGAUZE: Azzazin CD (MUSLIM 003). - only 800 copies / new cover /=20 special package MUSLIMGAUZE: Return of Black September CD (MUSLIM 004). - only 800 copies /= =20 new cover / special package MUSLIMGAUZE: Sandtrafikar CD (MUSLIM 011). - only 800 copies / new cover /= =20 special package MUSLIMGAUZE: Zuriff Moussa CD (MUSLIM 012). - only 800 copies / new cover /= =20 special package PAN SONIC: Kesto 4CD (MUTE 9243CD). SULTAN - OSMAN CD (AW033). - Pete Namlook & Burhan =D6=E7al THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG 8 CD (AW034). - Pete Namlook & Klaus Schulze VA: Kompakt 100 2CD (KOMP 034CD). VA: Kompakt 100 4LP (KOM 100LP). - QUADRUPLE VINYL VERSION VILLALOBOS, RICARDO: Alcachofa Remixes 2x12" (PLAY 093LP). WAGONCHRIST: I'm Sorry I Make You Lush CD (ZEN 091CD). WELLS, BILL: Pick Up Sticks CD (BAY 034CD). WELLS, BILL: Pick Up Sticks LP (BAY 034LP). - VINYL VERSION WHARTON, DONATO: Built to Fail EP 12" (BLOCK 023EP). to order & see the latest list contact ...David Hodgson=20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 21:17:15 EDT From: Organicnavel@aol.com Subject: (fax) for your listening pleasure......... Hello Friends, Just listed on eBay........... PS 08/70 The MS-Series PS 08/63 Solitaire [sealed] PS 08/67 Transonic 2 SEA 02 Spring PW 09 Shades of Orion PS 08/48 Zenith [sealed] PK 08/01 Compilation 1 PK 08/07 Compilation 4 and titles by Fax artist's Atom Heart, HIA + Biosphere. Check them out at this link..... http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=organicnave l&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50 Good Luck and Bid Often! Thanks, Mark [organicnavel] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 04:09:08 -0700 (PDT) From: ambient Subject: Re: (fax) Appreciation to the fellows at 2350.org not a single post about further donations by other listmembers. terrible. - --- ambient wrote: > In Appreciation to Warren & Stewart, > > I have sent a $$ Donation to the fellows > @ 2350.org > > i don`t remember stewart`s paypal address yet, > warren`s is warren@lapham.org > > verifiable here; > http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MemberSearchShow#RequestUserID > > If others, too, have enjoyed and used the site > as > much as I...then, > I am sure that they won`t mind MORE donation$. > > I only go to the official fax site when i have > to, which is almost never. > Generally, i never liked the attitude on the > other site. > > This effort and appreciation is completely > unsolicited from 2350.org, warren or stewart. > > Thanks for all of your effort guys, > scout ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 04:18:21 -0700 (PDT) From: ambient Subject: (fax) Biosphere in Detroit Saturday May 29th, 2004 in Detroit http://www.paxahau.com/ australia & norway dates are before the US. http://www.biosphere.no/ - -scout np: TD - richochet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 21:18:09 +1000 From: "electroteque" Subject: RE: (fax) Appreciation to the fellows at 2350.org I have to agree, Warren and Stewart are legends, I have gone to the site for some things, but i said this in an email years ago, I would go there very regularly if there were audio samples of albums, so i know what it sounds like before i buy it, sadly I have to find them on mp3 first before I make a choice. Dan (hope this doesnt start any flamin ;)) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-faxlist@2350.org [mailto:owner-faxlist@2350.org]On Behalf Of > ambient > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 9:09 PM > To: faxlist@2350.org > Subject: Re: (fax) Appreciation to the fellows at 2350.org > > > not a single post about > further donations by other listmembers. > > terrible. > > > > > --- ambient wrote: > > In Appreciation to Warren & Stewart, > > > > I have sent a $$ Donation to the fellows > > @ 2350.org > > > > i don`t remember stewart`s paypal address yet, > > warren`s is warren@lapham.org > > > > verifiable here; > > > http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MemberSearchShow#RequestUserID > > > > If others, too, have enjoyed and used the site > > as > > much as I...then, > > I am sure that they won`t mind MORE donation$. > > > > I only go to the official fax site when i have > > to, which is almost never. > > Generally, i never liked the attitude on the > > other site. > > > > This effort and appreciation is completely > > unsolicited from 2350.org, warren or stewart. > > > > Thanks for all of your effort guys, > > scout > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 04:24:06 -0700 (PDT) From: ambient Subject: (fax) Review - Air http://2350.org/reviewer/ambient%40yahoo.com/ 25% of the reason why i got into fax - -scout ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 09:34:47 -0400 From: Alan R Lucas Subject: Re: (fax) Appreciation to the fellows at 2350.org Is everyone expected to tell everybody else that they've made a donation? I agree that if you appreciate the work they (Warren and Stewart) do, and have some extra cash, making a donation is a great idea. But by no means should people have to report back here if they've done so. The only people who really need to know about it are Warren and Stewart. - -Alan Quoting ambient : > not a single post about > further donations by other listmembers. > > terrible. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 07:41:46 -0700 (PDT) From: ambient Subject: Re: (fax) Appreciation to the fellows at 2350.org - --- Alan R Lucas wrote: > Is everyone expected to tell everybody else > that they've made a donation? no, of course not. yet, doing so might actually entice others to do so by showing public support. That is why i made the first donation and made it my public. After the posts to the list about the "slowness" of the site, it seems odd that the listees whom came to the defense of the site haven`t "put their money where their mouth is" and "put their month where their money went" again, this might actually entice others to do so by showing public support. rally other team members instead of defusing the main point to donate. > I agree that if you appreciate the work they > (Warren and Stewart) do, and have > some extra cash, making a donation is a great > idea. > > -Alan > > > Quoting ambient : > > > not a single post about > > further donations by other listmembers. > > > > terrible. In Appreciation to Warren & Stewart, I have sent a $$ Donation to the fellows @ 2350.org i don`t remember stewart`s paypal address yet, warren`s is warren@lapham.org verifiable here; http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MemberSearchShow#RequestUserID If others, too, have enjoyed and used the site as much as I...then, I am sure that they won`t mind MORE donation$. I only go to the official fax site when i have to, which is almost never. Generally, i never liked the attitude on the other site. This effort and appreciation is completely unsolicited from 2350.org, warren or stewart. Thanks for all of your effort guys, scout ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 11:00:47 -0400 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) Appreciation to the fellows at 2350.org and why would we make a donation? i do not donate to every site i consider "good", "official", or that i appreciate. consider me prude, but i think this whole fax thing is out of control. for gawd sakes, you cannot even afford fax material anymore. its too much of a competition. and before you decide to flame me - i have nothing against warren or stewart. kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ die Intensität eines Automobilunfalles, ist einfach erstaunlich. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 16:00:06 +0100 From: Paul Milligan Subject: Re: (fax) Appreciation to the fellows at 2350.org Sorry Scout but I just think you're off one one of your slightly weird crusades again. I mean did Warren or Stewart actually ask you to make representations on their behalf in the first place. I doubt it. Does everything have to be about money these days? > That is why i made the first donation and made it public. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 11:15:45 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: (fax) Appreciation to the fellows at 2350.org In a message dated 5/19/04 10:00:52 AM Central Daylight Time, ambient@nycap.rr.com writes: > i do not donate to every site i consider "good", > "official", or that i appreciate. consider me prude, > but i think this whole fax thing is out of control. > for gawd sakes, you cannot even afford fax material > anymore. its too much of a competition. > i agree....a lot of don't have enough money to make ends meet..let alone buy Fax cds at ridiculous prices or donate to a fantastic website (although i wish that i could)....i'm saving my money a little at a time so that i will one day be able to afford 2350 Broadway 2 & 3 and Time2...since i was told plainly that there isn't enough demand to warrant an AW repressing (but of course Sultan MUST have enough of demand...sheesh) RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 11:21:04 -0400 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) Appreciation to the fellows at 2350.org <(but of course Sultan MUST have enough of demand...sheesh) *laff* do not feel bad, as i was flamed for wanting Hearts Of Space to be reissued. it's great for those of us who have nothing better to do than to spend money on fax cd's, but some of us DO infact have a life to support. kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ die Intensität eines Automobilunfalles, ist einfach erstaunlich. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 10:21:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Trevor Cordes Subject: Re: (fax) Appreciation to the fellows at 2350.org I think donations are a reasonable idea if you have some paypal balance and want to support a site. It does cost money (time, server resources, etc) to keep something like 2350.org going. However, it's not like Warren will take it down if there's no monetary reward. He does it for the love of it, and I'd do the same if/when Warren doesn't want to any more (as I've offered to take over the site previously). That said, it does lighten one's heart when they receive unexpected rewards for a job well done, so in no way should anyone discourage this practice. Personally, I haven't sent any $$, but I've been milling over the idea and may do so in the future. Or perhaps send something else besides money, ala "postcardware", "candyware" or other novel ideas from the heyday of shareware. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 16:23:58 +0100 From: Paul Milligan Subject: Re: (fax) Appreciation to the fellows at 2350.org > i agree....a lot of don't have enough money to make ends meet..let alone buy > Fax cds at ridiculous prices or donate to a fantastic website Coincidentally, just out of interest (and for the first time in over a year or so) I looked at eBay yesterday to see what Fax stuff was fetching nowadays. What really made me laugh is that the prices being paid bear virtually no relation to the quality of the music... there are some really indifferent releases going for 5 or 10 times there original selling price, just because they're oop. Some of the people paying these prices are going to be disappointed, unless the thrill begins and ends simply with the collecting/owning of the physical 'object'. Paul nb. I know some will say it's easy to say what I've said above when you've owned virtually everything in the catalogue (as I have) but, note I used the term "owned" ...not 'own'. My only regret is that I didn't hold onto some of the older ones for longer... I'd be minted now! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 16:27:56 +0100 From: "Corbin, Nick" Subject: RE: (fax) Appreciation to the fellows at 2350.org > Or perhaps send something else besides money, ala "postcardware", = "candyware" or other novel ideas from the heyday of shareware. slightly off topic, but what is 'candyware'???=20 [nick] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 08:29:53 -0700 (PDT) From: ambient Subject: (fax) 2350 Broadway 2 - --- RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > to afford 2350 Broadway 2 & 3 and > Time2...since i was told plainly > that there isn't enough demand to warrant an AW > repressing what about picking up the 5 1/2 hour release; http://2350.org/mp3002/ certainly if the format isn`t appropriate for you, you could make cds from the mp3s. scout np: colony ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 08:36:03 -0700 (PDT) From: ambient Subject: (fax) eye-candy would be the Video for Putney; http://www.usatt.org/rseguine/FAX/fax_facts/putney.html i would imagine that candyware is a software program that provides visual effects like many of the winamp plug-ins. np: my darkwave mix. - --- "Corbin, Nick" wrote: > > > Or perhaps send something else besides > money, ala "postcardware", "candyware" or other > novel ideas from the heyday of shareware. > > slightly off topic, but what is 'candyware'??? > > [nick] > --- > + To post: ; to mail a > person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 10:45:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Trevor Cordes Subject: Re: (fax) Appreciation to the fellows at 2350.org On 19 May, Corbin, Nick wrote: > > > Or perhaps send something else besides money, ala "postcardware", > > "candyware" or other novel ideas from the heyday of shareware. > > slightly off topic, but what is 'candyware'??? Where you send candy to the programmer of some software rather than money, etc. I've seen beerware, colaware, pizzaware, and other funny ones that I wish I could recall at this moment (we're talking early 90's here when shareware was big). Postcardware is nice as it's really easy and cheap for people to do and the recipient usually ends up with tons of nice postcards from everywhere around the world -- especially with geographically diverse FAX fans! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 10:49:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Trevor Cordes Subject: Re: (fax) Appreciation to the fellows at 2350.org On 19 May, Paul Milligan wrote: > > Coincidentally, just out of interest (and for the first time in over a year > or so) I looked at eBay yesterday to see what Fax stuff was fetching > nowadays. What really made me laugh is that the prices being paid bear > virtually no relation to the quality of the music... there are some really > indifferent releases going for 5 or 10 times there original selling price, It's a market system -- supply and demand. If there's low supply and high demand then it'll be expensive, regardless of how good the music is. And if one has never owned a release, one doesn't know if it's good or not. Even reading negative reviews doesn't help as opinions may differ wildly. There's always the temptation to see "just how bad it is". > just because they're oop. Some of the people paying these prices are going > to be disappointed, unless the thrill begins and ends simply with the > collecting/owning of the physical 'object'. I'd say the majority of FAX fans are/will become completists and hence buy anything in the catalog. Even if they don't keep them all over time (like yourself), they at least want to have heard every title. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 16:54:43 +0200 From: Alexander Subject: (test - ignore) Re: (fax) Appreciation to the fellows at 2350.org Hello everyone, just a test, sorry. - -- Best regards, Alexander In just two days, tomorrow will be yesterday. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 16:24:10 +0100 From: Paul Milligan Subject: (fax) www.2350.org Considering 2350 is first and foremost a review site there's been a marked lack of reviews, particularly of the new stuff, over recent months. Last year everyone was clamouring for more new releases (especially on the Sub Label which we all thought was dead and buried) ... so how about some opinion and substance now we've got them? Plus, it'd be nice to read more about actual Fax *music* than the usual peripheral/off-topic/eBay stuff, yawn. Paul np. Schulze - The Art of Sequencing ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 19:38:42 +0200 From: Alexander Subject: (fax) Review: Namlook XIX - Music for Urban Meditation Hello everyone, I just wrote this little review and sent it to Warren Lapham for inclusion on 2350.org - and as Paul Milligan wrote he'd like to read about actual fax music here, I'd thought I'd share it with the list, as well. Quite a bad start maybe since the review is all in all pretty negative. :-) - --- cut --- Music for Urban Meditation Short technical description: 7 tracks, all with a basement of a drone or pad (some light some dark, some fine and airy, some rumbling and thick), and all dotted and varied with a couple of sparse effects and/or melody/chord fragments. Long personal opinion: There's not much happening, really. One drone/pad fades out and the next pad/drone fades in. I tried this album on various occasions now, but it just doesn't grow on me. There's not enough substance to dive into, first place. I tried it as background music, and it started getting on my nerves, because nothing happens. I tried to listen to it more consciously in a calm and relaxed mood, and found myself waiting for some development, some build, some change (that just doesn't happen and doesn't come), and thus it started to bore me. The various fine sounds that Pete Namlook crafted here are not enough to keep me interested for an hour or so. Maybe this is good for some sort of meditation and someone will find it is a strike of genius? Maybe I am a child of our time, and I should really do more meditation until this album starts to fulfil and satisfy me? Is this the message? I don't know. Until I find out, I'll stick with my opinion that all of these 7 tracks would be nice as an intro, our outro, or filler, for a more sophisticated album with more variation, but as a whole album, its just not enough. - --- cut --- Greetings from the far south-east of Germany! - -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) I feel there is a real world corresponding to our perceptions... I believe that Minneapolis is a real city and not simply a city of my dreams. -- John Zelany, former chairman of the Yale Physics Dept. ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2004 #46 ******************************* --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org