From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2004 #57 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Tuesday, July 27 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 057 (fax) RH "limited edition" re-issues (fax) New Composers review (fax) FA: Pete Namlook/Tetsu Inoue - Time2 (PW32), Bill Laswell - Outer Dark (PS08/66), 1 Year Ambient (PKPWPS1), Atom Heart - Brown (RI 036) Re: (fax) RH "limited edition" re-issues (fax) faxlist spam? Re: (fax) faxlist spam? Re: (fax) faxlist spam? Re: (fax) faxlist spam? Re: (fax) faxlist spam? Re: (fax) faxlist spam? (fax) Re: faxlist spam? Re: (fax) Re: faxlist spam? Re: (fax) Re: new FAX compilation ideas Re: (fax) Re: new FAX compilation ideas Re: (fax) fax list spam? (fax) FA: Atom Heart - Machine Paisley (RI 035), Dr Atmo/Deep Space Network - IF2 (PS08/56), Pete Namlook/Bill Laswell - Psychonavigation (PW13) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:00:45 -0600 From: Christian von Ompteda Subject: (fax) RH "limited edition" re-issues http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4025420271&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:CA:1 I've been seeing a couple of copies of the vinyl album version of Dreamfish on Rising High appear on eBay lately with a ghastly $50 starting bid (I think the last one was even higher) and a buy it now price of $120. Now, the seller claims that the album was "limited edition", which to me means that only a strict number were released (ie. Nalook's 500-3000 issue per album). From my knowledge of the RH label, there were never any "limited edition" releases, although since the label is long gone & Mr. Pound is no longer with us, it could be said that this is "out of print" but I still wouldn't say limited edition. Anyone out there know whether this was indeed limited, or whether the seller is just mistaken? Have also noticed that this seller is trying to part with the sublabel comp (unsuccessfully at a EU49.00 start price and just re-listed at the same) and a number of sublabel vinyl releases at rather exorbitant prices that no one seems to be biting on, least of all me. Why people can't start the bids low and just let people run them up instead of chasing them away from high initial bids is beyond me. It almost seems like we're getting to a point where people are letting auctions with high start bids fail - perhaps the "pay-anything-for-Fax" madness has a limit? ;) cheers, C. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:09:17 -0600 From: "Dave @ Fax USA (EAR/Rational Music)" Subject: (fax) New Composers review http://www.soniccuriosity.com/sc158.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 22:27:45 +0100 From: "David Calvert" Subject: (fax) FA: Pete Namlook/Tetsu Inoue - Time2 (PW32), Bill Laswell - Outer Dark (PS08/66), 1 Year Ambient (PKPWPS1), Atom Heart - Brown (RI 036) Just listed ... PETE NAMLOOK/TETSU INOUE - Time2 (FAX PW32) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1577&item=4025760464 BILL LASWELL - Outer Dark (FAX PS08/66, NAMLOOK) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1577&item=4025760847 PETE NAMLOOK - 1 Year Ambient (FAX PKPWPS1) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1577&item=4025761139 ATOM HEART - Brown (RI 036) Rather Interesting (SEALED) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1577&item=4025761392 e-mail: dakota.boo@pop3.hiway.co.uk web page: http://home.hiway.co.uk/boo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:04:19 EDT From: Organicnavel@aol.com Subject: Re: (fax) RH "limited edition" re-issues In a message dated 7/18/04 3:00:26 PM, cvon@telus.net writes: >Why people can't start >the bids low and just let people run them up instead of chasing them away > >from high initial bids is beyond me. As a seller on eBay I think that I can shed some light as to why some sellers have a high start price, buy it now or a reserve. There is no doubt that some sellers are asking the "going price" for their item and are afraid that it will sell for less. This may be because they want to ensure a good profit or that they paid a high price for the item believing it will sell higher! The latter is often my dilemma. I may buy a rare sealed fax cd from a third party for lets say $75.00 believing it will sell on eBay for $100.00. So, should I start my auction at $75.00 to ensure that I at least get my initial investment back or should I start my auction at $9.99 hoping that the low bidders will push up the price? I prefer to start the auction low in hopes that the price will reach my initial investment price and beyond. However, this year alone, I have lost big on many auctions! Of course over all I make out good or else I wouldn't do it. Though, my greatest reward is in the belief that I am helping fellow electronic music fans have access to rare releases. So, I start my auctions at $9.99, but perhaps you can understand why some sellers start out high! Mark [organicnavel] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:21:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Trevor Cordes Subject: (fax) faxlist spam? I received a spam email with the following header last night: From: "PokerBook Info" Subject: Pokerbook Has Gone Public- Huge PR Campaign On Its Way Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:22:06 -0500 To: faxlist-outgoing@monkey.org Reply-To: pokerbook@emailinfo123.com Note how it says to "faxlist-outgoing". To me this hints that some spammer has stolen/bought the faxlist subscriber list. Or I guess someone could scrap the web archives of the list? Why would someone bother for such a small set of emails? Or maybe it's just a coincidence. Did anyone else receive this spam? Weird. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:25:09 -0400 From: theREALmxyzptlk Subject: Re: (fax) faxlist spam? At 02:21 PM 7/21/2004, Trevor Cordes wrote: >I received a spam email with the following header last night: > > From: "PokerBook Info" > Subject: Pokerbook Has Gone Public- Huge PR Campaign > On Its Way > Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:22:06 -0500 > To: faxlist-outgoing@monkey.org > Did anyone else receive this spam? Yup. j ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:39:58 -0600 From: Christian von Ompteda Subject: Re: (fax) faxlist spam? Depending on how the mailing list is configured, it is sometimes possible for outsiders to email to a majordomo or other listerv if it isn't limited to postings only from its list members. Usually the best way to get around this is to, instead of emailing the list name (ie. faxlist@2350.org) to email the outgoing email address that actually delivers the mail (ie. faxlist-outgoing@monkey.org). Some listservs and owners have this little hole all sewn up, and some don't. That said, I didn't get the spam, which could mean that either my spam filter did its job, or it may not have gone out to the whole Fax mailing list after all. Best to just have Warren look into it & see if insidious spam forces have permeated our previously safe haven of Fax talk... god knows I spend enough time on my own mail server making it spam-proof, which is a never-ending battle. cheers, C. At 02:25 PM 7/21/2004 -0400, theREALmxyzptlk wrote: >At 02:21 PM 7/21/2004, Trevor Cordes wrote: >>I received a spam email with the following header last night: >> >> From: "PokerBook Info" >> Subject: Pokerbook Has Gone Public- Huge PR Campaign >> On Its Way >> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:22:06 -0500 >> To: faxlist-outgoing@monkey.org > > > >> Did anyone else receive this spam? > > >Yup. > > > j > > > >--- >+ To post: ; to mail a person: >+ To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to >+ Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:44:13 -0500 From: Warren Lapham Subject: Re: (fax) faxlist spam? On Jul 21, 2004, at 1:21 PM, Trevor Cordes wrote: > To me this hints that some > spammer has stolen/bought the faxlist subscriber list. Or I guess > someone could scrap the web archives of the list? The list has been neither bought nor stolen. (Try sending 'who faxlist' to majordomo@2350.org to see how I've set up the list to be as hidden as possible.) Some person or spam-bot figured out one of the internal addresses that majordomo uses to process mail, is all. (This happened to another mailing list that I administer a few months back.) I've contacted the administrators at monkey.org to make a short-term solution to the problem, and I've also asked that we switch from majordomo. Hopefully, the short-term solution will be in place soon, and the faxlist migrated to the new software soon after that. I am sorry for the inconvenience, but please believe that the measures I've taken over the last five years to keep this list mostly spam-free have been quite successful -- my inbox is routinely bombarded with bounced messages from spam that doesn't make it through. I'd be happy to send some of them to anyone who feels they've been missing out. :) w. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:49:00 -0500 (CDT) From: brian@lists.frickster.net Subject: Re: (fax) faxlist spam? And it's MUCH appreciated. I can tell you I spend nearly 20 hours a week going through spam, though very rarely do I receive anything from here.. I can't imagine running a listserve. Thanks, Warren! On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, Warren Lapham wrote: > I am sorry for the inconvenience, but please believe that the measures > I've taken over the last five years to keep this list mostly spam-free > have been quite successful -- my inbox is routinely bombarded with > bounced messages from spam that doesn't make it through. I'd be happy > to send some of them to anyone who feels they've been missing out. :) > > w. - -=brian=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:59:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Trevor Cordes Subject: Re: (fax) faxlist spam? On 21 Jul, Warren Lapham wrote: > > Some person or spam-bot figured out one of the internal addresses that > majordomo uses to process mail, is all. (This happened to another Ah, ok. I didn't know majordomo had such a vulnerability. I use mailman for my lists and the latest version seems free of this hole. However, I run only moderated announce lists. I did have the problem once of a virus sending email that was spoofed as From me, to the list, and it went out as I'm the only user not moderated. Learned that one the hard way! How you keep spam off an unmoderated list I'll never know! PS: I'm not miffed or anything -- I just thought others should be made aware. I personally get about 400 spams a day, with a 98% filter rate using spambayes. The reason I saw the spam in question is that it got a low-ish spambayes rating and I have my threshold set quite high to eliminate false positives (which is way worse than having manually train some real spam). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:24:01 +0200 From: Alexander Subject: (fax) Re: faxlist spam? Hello Brian, Wednesday, July 21, 2004, 8:49:00 PM, you wrote: > I can tell you I spend nearly 20 hours a week going through spam You should do something about it. The good thing is: most likely, you can! :-) I don't know on which OS you are, and what mail client you are using, but I suggest that you try a spam filter with "Bayes" filtering technology. It learns from the spam mails you get - the more spam you get, the faster it learns. With each spam mail you get, it becomes more accurate. For example, I have none other than a Bayes filter for checking my mails, and after about 120 spam mails, it catches about everything (including the "Powerbook" spam, and the various "inc.entive to b.uy v1ag.ra" stuff, and whatnot). Best of it all: no false positives! Upon the classification of the Bayes filter, I sort spam mails to a separate folder and have them auto-marked as read. Once in a while a spam mail gets thru and lands in my normal Inbox - I reclassify it as "spam", and the filter adapts its learning technique. No chance next time. :-) In case you're on Windows and use a POP3 or IMAP mail agent, try SpamPal (http://www.spampal.org) and install the "Bayesian" plugin. It helps a lot! HTH - -- Best wishes, Alexander A cookie store is a bad idea. Besides, the market research reports say America likes crispy cookies, not soft and chewy cookies like you make. -- Response to Debbi Fields' idea of starting Mrs. Fields' Cookies. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:25:43 +0200 From: Alexander Subject: Re: (fax) Re: faxlist spam? Hello everyone, Wednesday, July 21, 2004, 9:24:01 PM, I wrote: >> I can tell you I spend nearly 20 hours a week going through spam > You should do something about it. The good thing is: most likely, you can! > :-) ...sorry, this was supposed to be a private mail. - -- Best regards, Alexander I think there is a world market for maybe five computers. -- Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:43:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Trevor Cordes Subject: Re: (fax) Re: new FAX compilation ideas Back in March Dave posted a challenge to us to come up with our ideas for a new FAX comp using only stuff currently available. Took forever to find the time (and go through his list!) but here's my 2 cents. I've broken it up into 2 separate lists: "mainstream/accessible" and "ambient/experimental". However, halfway through I realized mainstream needs to be broken into 2 itself: "upbeat" and "downtempo", so there's at least enough "great" material IMHO to require 3-4 CD's though it could be pared down to 2. As you can see, I greatly prefer cherry picking the best bits of tracks in order to get more overall tracks per CD (like 20-ish). This is esp important on a sampler where you want to expose as many ideas as possible to try to grab them with (at least!) something! I probably wouldn't continuously mix, but I would sequence them strategically to get some flow. In my terse list: "t" means track, and number before means disc #, straight numbers or ranges are approx times-in-track. *** If you view this with a non-monotype font it will look horrible Mainstream choices: > MP3 003 Psychonavigation Collection 4t1 some around 3 1t3 some around 4 > MP3 004 Move D/Namlook Collection 2 around 25 for 5 3t1 5-8 5t1 12-18'ish tt4 some mid > MP3 005 Jet Chamber Collection 1t1 5-10 > MP3 006 Namlook Collection I > > AW 008 Dark Side of the Moog 3 t4 1st 3.5 or all > AW 013 Transonic t2 1st 4-5 t3 1st 4 t8 most/all * wow, what a good CD! > AW 015 Dark Side of the Moog 5 t3 or 8 1st 4-6 or all > AW 018 Shades of Orion t1 bit (but it's used before) t3 1st 4-6 > AW 028 Air III t3 time 1-5 t6 > AW 029 Dark Side of the Moog 6 t4 time 5-end ! t5 1st 5-6 > AW 030 Organic Cloud t5 time 5 for 5-6 > PK 08/106 Koolfang 2 t1 time 5-10 !! > PK 08/131 Hubertus Held t2 time 2-6 > PK 08/140 Polytime t3 1st 6.5 ! > PK 08/148 Free Your Mind t1 time 3-6+ > PK 08/151 Possible Gardens t3 time 5-11 > PK 08/152 Audiolounge t4 time 4-10 mb > PK 08/153 Adlernebel t1 1st 4 > PK 08/155 4 Voice 3 t3 time 2-6'ish t6 time 4-7 > PK 08/165 Virtual Vices IV t2 time 5-10'ish t3 time 2.5-8 > > PS 08/63 Solitaire t1 9-? t4 1+ > PS 08/67 Transonic 2 t2 time 10-15 > PS 08/70 MS Series t4 3+ mb > PS 08/73 Xangadix 2 t2 some around 2-4 > PS 08/75 Modula Green t1 0-4'ish > PS 08/77 Fanger & Siebert t2 time 2-7 > PS 08/91 Sferics t2 1-5'ish t5 some middle > PS 08/101 Eisblumen t6 1st 4 > PS 08/102 Was Here t2 bit > PS 08/103 Advanced Indigo t1 1-4 t2 0-3 !! t3 any 5 mins! bits from 5, 6 + 10! > PS 08/104 Magic Diner the operatic track! * make it last on the comp... great parting track > PS 08/105 Pop for Dwoozle t2 2-3 mins at 1+ > > PW 38 Planetarium t4 t8 DSotM 9 (isn't this avail still?) t1 1-16 all amazing t2 2.5-7'ish Sultan t7 ! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:43:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Trevor Cordes Subject: Re: (fax) Re: new FAX compilation ideas Ambient choices: > MP3 001 Silence I-V MP3 4t4 7-11'ish 5t1 0-5! 5t3 0-3 5t5 2-4 or 8 > MP3 004 Move D/Namlook Collection 3t3 some 5t6 5+ > MP3 005 Jet Chamber Collection > MP3 006 Namlook Collection I > > AW 012 Dreamfish t1 1st 4-5 > AW 015 Dark Side of the Moog 5 t5 some > AW 021 Hemisphere t2 time 2-4 t3 time 15-20'ish > AW 024 Shades of Orion 2 mb some bits around time 50 > AW 026 Outland 3 t3 time 3-7 or 9'ish > AW 030 Organic Cloud t3 5 min chunk in mid/end > PK 08/151 Possible Gardens t1 5 min mid/end > PK 08/164 Home Shopping t2 4 min chunk mid > > PS 08/45 Sad World 2 t1 5 min prob 5-10 > PS 08/47 Gate/Sol t2 couple mins around 18 > PS 08/62 Bedroom t3 some mb t5 some > PS 08/63 Solitaire t1 2-7 t5 4-8'ish > PS 08/82 Sad World 3 t3 13+'ish > PS 08/90 Drum Machine Circle - Dada t2 0-5 > PS 08/100 Elixir of Life t9 some in beg/mid > Y-T 3 Sunken Road t3 3.5+ DSotM 9 t5 5-9 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 20:46:00 -0400 From: MuzikJunky Subject: Re: (fax) fax list spam? >> Did anyone else receive this spam? Yep. Peace. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:22:41 +0100 From: "David Calvert" Subject: (fax) FA: Atom Heart - Machine Paisley (RI 035), Dr Atmo/Deep Space Network - IF2 (PS08/56), Pete Namlook/Bill Laswell - Psychonavigation (PW13) Just listed ... PETE NAMLOOK/BILL LASWELL - Psychonavigation (FAX PW13) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4027416000&ssPageName=ST RK:MESE:IT Dr ATMO/DEEP SPACE NETWORK- I.F.2 (FAX PS08/56) NAMLOOK http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4027419473&ssPageName=ST RK:MESE:IT ATOM HEART- Machine Paisley (RI 035) Rather Interesting http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4027421270&ssPageName=ST RK:MESE:IT e-mail: dakota.boo@pop3.hiway.co.uk web page: http://home.hiway.co.uk/boo ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2004 #57 ******************************* --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org