From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2004 #62 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Monday, August 9 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 062 Re: (fax) for your listening pleasure.....turkish ambient (fax) Disappointment Re: (fax) Disappointment Re: (fax) Disappointment Re: (fax) Disappointment Re: (fax) Disappointment Re: (fax) Disappointment Re: (fax) Disappointment Re: (fax) Disappointment Re: (fax) Disappointment (fax) FAX samples Re: (fax) FAX samples Re: (fax) FAX samples Re: (fax) Disappointment Re: (fax) Disappointment Re: (fax) Disappointment Re: (fax) Disappointment Re: (fax) Disappointment (fax) FA ebay Re: (fax) Disappointment Re: (fax) FAX samples ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:17:46 EDT From: Organicnavel@aol.com Subject: Re: (fax) for your listening pleasure.....turkish ambient In a message dated 8/4/04 12:10:26 PM, mercuryvapor@yahoo.com writes: >--- Organicnavel@aol.com wrote: >> Hello friends, >> In anticipation of the >> forthcoming new Sultan III cd >> release > >when is this coming out? > >thanks, >john From the highest authority - October. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 00:39:34 -0400 From: MuzikJunky Subject: (fax) Disappointment One of the reasons I hate downloading music is that the burning programs still haven't figured out how to keep the audio constant when there's a track change with no gap. Case in point: I just bought "Season's Greetings--Spring" from iTunes, and even though I set the gap to "none" for burning, there's still a little bleep of silence between tracks. Why didn't Pete just tell them to offer it as one long track like he did with "Autumn" and "Winter"? We Fax heads know that the track marks for CDs with one long song are only for navigation convenience! Peace. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 01:15:05 -0400 From: Alan R Lucas Subject: Re: (fax) Disappointment That's probably less to do with the burning program than the actual mp3 files. I've never had trouble burning continuous mixes, and I've used all kinds of different burning software over the years. - -Alan np:Dykehouse:Chain Smoking Quoting MuzikJunky : > One of the reasons I hate downloading music is that the burning > programs still haven't figured out how to keep the audio constant when > there's a track change with no gap. Case in point: I just bought > "Season's Greetings--Spring" from iTunes, and even though I set the gap > to "none" for burning, there's still a little bleep of silence between > tracks. Why didn't Pete just tell them to offer it as one long track > like he did with "Autumn" and "Winter"? We Fax heads know that the > track marks for CDs with one long song are only for navigation > convenience! Peace. > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 02:39:52 -0400 From: MuzikJunky Subject: Re: (fax) Disappointment > That's probably less to do with the burning program than the actual > mp3 files. > I've never had trouble burning continuous mixes, and I've used all > kinds of > different burning software over the years. They are from the iTunes Music store, therefore they are protected AAC/mp4 files. Peace. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:01:28 -0400 From: Alan R Lucas Subject: Re: (fax) Disappointment I would burn the tracks to disc, then rip them back down to your computer in some editable format and remove any spaces at the ends of the tracks. Might be a little tedious, but that's the price to pay to get rid of those annoying gaps! - -Alan Quoting MuzikJunky : > > That's probably less to do with the burning program than the actual > > mp3 files. > > I've never had trouble burning continuous mixes, and I've used all > > kinds of > > different burning software over the years. > > They are from the iTunes Music store, therefore they are protected > AAC/mp4 files. Peace. > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 08:10:26 -0400 From: theREALmxyzptlk Subject: Re: (fax) Disappointment At 08:01 AM 8/6/2004, Alan R Lucas wrote: >I would burn the tracks to disc, then rip them back down to your computer in >some editable format and remove any spaces at the ends of the tracks. >Might be a >little tedious, but that's the price to pay to get rid of those annoying gaps! >-Alan If the gaps are in the files already (i.e., not a product of your burning software doing track-at-once instead of disc-at-once), you may need to step up to a wav file editor like Sound Forge, Cool Edit or Wavelab. You could then do in/out fades, track overlaps or anything else which would make the segueways more amenable to your ears. jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:37:59 +0200 From: Rene Brenner Subject: Re: (fax) Disappointment On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 02:39:52 -0400, MuzikJunky wrote: > >That's probably less to do with the burning program than the actual > >mp3 files. > >I've never had trouble burning continuous mixes, and I've used all > >kinds of > >different burning software over the years. > > They are from the iTunes Music store, therefore they are protected > AAC/mp4 files. Peace. As far as I know iTunes AAC/mp4 files are NOT gapless. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 08:44:03 -0400 From: theREALmxyzptlk Subject: Re: (fax) Disappointment > > > They are from the iTunes Music store, therefore they are protected > > AAC/mp4 files. Peace. > >As far as I know iTunes AAC/mp4 files are NOT gapless. If this is the case, it may be a matter of setting the software to eliminate the gaps. Many apps insert a default 2 second gap between tracks similar to track at once settings where the laser goes off for the pause. jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:24:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Trevor Cordes Subject: Re: (fax) Disappointment On 6 Aug, theREALmxyzptlk wrote: > up to a wav file editor like Sound Forge, Cool Edit or Wavelab. You could I use Goldwave, which I find much nicer than Cool, etc, and it's shareware. But I doubt you'll be able to get protected files into it (digitally)? Isn't that the whole point of the protection? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:19:30 -0400 From: Alan R Lucas Subject: Re: (fax) Disappointment That's why you'd have to first burn the protected files to CD, THEN rip them back to .wav or .whatever-the-mac-standard-format-is. At that point, you'd be able to edit the files, take out any gaps, and then RE-burn a nice gapless copy of the CD. - -Alan Quoting Trevor Cordes : > But I doubt you'll be able to get protected files into it (digitally)? > Isn't that the whole point of the protection? > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 17:45:04 +0000 From: "Scott _" Subject: (fax) FAX samples I remember somebody posting a link to a website that lists samples used in tracks, and information about the samples like where they are from. I specifically remember a page on Namlook from this site. Does anybody remember that link? Thanks, Scott _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:50:48 -0400 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) FAX samples http://www.usatt.org/rseguine/FAX/fax_facts/samples_quotes.html is this the site you meant? kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ die Intensität eines Automobilunfalles, ist einfach erstaunlich. http://jackthetab.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:51:46 -0400 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) FAX samples or this one? http://www.sloth.org/samples-bin/samples/group?exact=Namlook%2C+Pete kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ die Intensität eines Automobilunfalles, ist einfach erstaunlich. http://jackthetab.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 00:11:46 -0400 From: MuzikJunky Subject: Re: (fax) Disappointment > If this is the case, it may be a matter of setting the software to > eliminate the gaps. Many apps insert a default 2-second gap between > tracks similar to track at once settings where the laser goes off for > the pause. They were burned to CD with iTunes with the gap set to "none." Peace. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 09:40:50 +0200 From: "Alexander S. Kunz" Subject: Re: (fax) Disappointment Hello Alan R Lucas, 06-Aug-2004 14:01, you wrote: > I would burn the tracks to disc, then rip them back down to your computer in > some editable format and remove any spaces at the ends of the tracks. Might be a > little tedious, but that's the price to pay to get rid of those annoying gaps! Re-Encoding? Quality-Wise thats a big no-no. Can iTunes AAC/MP4 files be burnt to CDDA, anyway? - -- Best regards, Alexander DP2: "Modulation" by Pleiadians from 'Family of Light' ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 08:07:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Lachman Subject: Re: (fax) Disappointment - --- "Alexander S. Kunz" wrote: > Re-Encoding? Quality-Wise thats a big no-no. "Re-Encoding?" Is that burning downloaded tracks to a disc and then ripping them back to your computer? Why does that diminish quality? Isn't it all digital information that doesn't suffer from copying? Mark ===== Mark Lachman __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:27:41 +0200 From: Alexander Subject: Re: (fax) Disappointment Hello Mark Lachman, 07-Aug-2004 17:07, you wrote: >> Re-Encoding? Quality-Wise thats a big no-no. > "Re-Encoding?" Is that burning downloaded tracks to a > disc and then ripping them back to your computer? ...if you add "and making MP3/OGG/MPC out of the ripped files again", yes. > Why does that diminish quality? Isn't it all digital > information that doesn't suffer from copying? The downloaded MP4/AAC files are already mangled by lossy compression (otherwise you'd download 700MB per album). Just like MP3, AAC strips the "irrelevant" parts of audio information, taking psycho-acoustic and various other effects into account. The lower the bitrate, the more original information is stripped. Decoding those files does not restore this information in full. Encoding such a decoded file again (re-encoding) removes further information, many times (not always, of course) making the difference audible by descreased quality (pre-echo on drums, flanging artifacts on hihats/cymbals, all the stuff that is introduced by lossy compression is mulitplied if you re-encode with another round of lossy compression. It of course depends on the source material. Files that are encoded with high bitrates (like 256kbit or 320kbit for MP3, for example) won't suffer from re-encoding as much as files that were only 128kbit. The only way to fix the gaps without losing quality is to decode the files, cut them as wanted, and burn to CDDA (thus my question if it can be done with protected AAC files from iTunes at all). If you rip them again and don't want to lose quality and further, you must not compress the ripped files with a lossy encoder. There's a couple of lossless compression programs for audio if you really need to reduce the size-on-harddisk (compression ratios from 30 to 70% are possible, depending on the source material). FLAC for example is available for many plattforms: http://flac.sourceforge.net/download.html - -- Best regards, Alexander DP2: "Dance Of Deities" by Yellow Magnetic Star from 'Mandala Of Sound' We are waiting for the UFO's. We know that they're there. -- Graham Parker ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 18:20:22 -0400 From: MuzikJunky Subject: Re: (fax) Disappointment > There's a very simple answer to your problem: > > 1. Burn the mp4 files as an audio CD. > 2. Extract the CD audio files from the newly created CD in an > uncompressed > format (.wav, .aiff, whatever) back to your computer. > 3. Use an editing program to cut any silences from your newly > extracted, > uncompressed audio files. > 4. Burn a new audio CD comprised of those newly edited files. Be sure > that you > have the gap set to zero. > > If you do all these steps, you should have a nice continuous Fax CD. AAGH! Too much work! There is a step #5, though: ask Pete to offer "Season's Greetings--Spring" as a single file at iTunes! ;) Peace. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 07:35:31 -0400 From: theREALmxyzptlk Subject: (fax) FA ebay Namlook/Inoue 2350 Broadway Collection FAX MP3 CD, plus many other vinyl/CD items. No reserves - thanks! http://tinyurl.com/3gkhk OR http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&include=0&userid=*jpklein*&sort=3&rows=150&since=-1&rd=1 seller id = *jpklein* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 14:46:48 -0600 (MDT) From: wallace winfrey Subject: Re: (fax) Disappointment On Sat, 7 Aug 2004, MuzikJunky wrote: > > If you do all these steps, you should have a nice continuous Fax CD. > > AAGH! Too much work! There is a step #5, though: ask Pete to offer > "Season's Greetings--Spring" as a single file at iTunes! ;) Peace. Ahhh, but inconvenience is what DRM is all about. Given the plehtora of ways out there to defeat DRM, most effort goes into making it really difficult to use media in the way most suited to you. The best option is probably just wait for the Season's Greetings MP3CD. w ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:48:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Trevor Cordes Subject: Re: (fax) FAX samples On 6 Aug, jackthetab wrote: > or this one? > http://www.sloth.org/samples-bin/samples/group?exact=Namlook%2C+Pete Ya, that's the one I had posted here in June. Cool site. They are missing quite a few FAX samples (last time I checked), and it *appears* as though any joe can add to their DB (?) so add more as you find them! ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2004 #62 ******************************* --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org