From: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org (faxlist-digest) To: faxlist-digest@monkey.org Subject: faxlist-digest V2004 #80 Reply-To: faxlist@2350.org Sender: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Errors-To: owner-faxlist-digest@2350.org Precedence: bulk faxlist-digest Tuesday, November 23 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 080 Re: (fax) How many of us are there? Re: (fax) How many of us are there? Re: (fax) How many of us are there? Re: (fax) How many of us are there? (fax) Re: (amb) Redefining IDM Re: (fax) How many of us are there? Re: (fax) How many of us are there? Re: (fax) How many of us are there? (fax) Re: (amb) Redefining IDM Re: (fax) How many of us are there? Re: (fax) How many of us are there? Re: (fax) How many of us are there? Re: (fax) How many of us are there? Re: (fax) Re: (amb) Redefining BEATLESS IDM as INTELLIGENT AMBIENT MUSIC = I.A.M :) Re: (fax) How many of us are there? Re: (fax) How many of us are there? (fax) Wechelspannung RE: (fax) Wechelspannung Re: (fax) Wechelspannung Re: (fax) Wechelspannung Re: (fax) Wechelspannung RE: (fax) Wechelspannung RE: (fax) Wechelspannung Re: (fax) Wechelspannung ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:10:06 -0800 From: "Greg" Subject: Re: (fax) How many of us are there? Pretty grand generalization!? are you the same Brian that reviews ambient cds? that would explain a lot. The groups you mentioned are the type that I'm talking about!! The bottom line is that its not popular and anyone off this email list or isn't associated with electronica would agree with me 100 percent. Say what you want to. Most people around the world want to listen to music without synths, WITH vocals, etc...not many people like music that is dominated by computers and synths! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 10:51 AM Subject: Re: (fax) How many of us are there? > That's a pretty grand generalization. I am subscribed to 14 different > mailing lists for electronica, including Tangerine Dream, Vangelis, Jarre, > The Orb, KLF, Banco De Gaia, Orbital, FAX... > > I have 1200 electronica CDs, of which about 165 are FAX. Most of the people > I know have a slew of music, too... Electronica is not "popular" in that it > reaches 500,000 copies -- but that doesn't mean 10,000 or 50,000 copies > can't be sold. Meat Beat Manifesto? Orbital? Orb? They all sell records > at a much greater number than 2,000. > > I'm sure if FAX had a bigger budget, or if Pete even cared to be more > "popular", he could be. It's quite obvious that his intentions are > different. > > I just bought some FAX cds from a guy on the Orb list, so there is > definitely cross-over and general knowledge of the label in other electronic > music forums. > > > On 11/22/04 12:20 PM, "Greg" wrote: > > > I'm from California..popular, what type of electronica?? its NOT ambient. > > The ONLY synth type of music that might be kind of popular is House or > > Trance dance crap...other than this form of muisc, 99 percent of people > > couldn't tell you what Ambient, IDM, or any other underground electronic > > music is..why is it that a BIG selling electronica cd is MAYBE 2,000 > > copies...come on, this is almost ridiculous even disscussing. The bottom > > line is most everyone thinks this is 'weird' music, doesn't matter if you > > live in the US or other countries...The only stuff that sells is electronica > > with heavy beats and has some vocals in it....Air, Chemical Brother's, > > Digweed, Sasha, DJ Tiesto and a few other's. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "wallace winfrey" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 10:28 AM > > Subject: Re: (fax) How many of us are there? > > > > > >> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Greg wrote: > >> > >>> In the US, Synth music is not very popular at all. > >> > >> Well, maybe not as popular as Nelly or Eminem, but I'd say it has a pretty > >> healthy following. Where are you from, Greg? > >> > >> w > >> > >> --- > >> + To post: ; to mail a person: > >> + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > >> + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > > > --- > > + To post: ; to mail a person: > > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:34:39 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: (fax) How many of us are there? Greg wrote: >used to have over 600. Its only about 300 now. I got rid of a lot of the >older electronica. Still a lot more than anyone else I know. But for a >collector(like a lot on this email list) its average or fairly small. > > I have a big collection (with other types of music) with 506 tagged as ambient including 94 FAX titles. I don't think this includes pre-1990 "classical" electronic music. - -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:53:37 -0500 From: Jason Subject: Re: (fax) How many of us are there? > Pretty grand generalization!? are you the same Brian that reviews ambient > cds? that would explain a lot. The groups you mentioned are the type > that > I'm talking about!! The bottom line is that its not popular and anyone > off > this email list or isn't associated with electronica would agree with > me 100 > percent. Say what you want to. Most people around the world want to > listen > to music without synths, WITH vocals, etc...not many people like music > that > is dominated by computers and synths! I might agree with the vocal part of your stance/argument, but let's take 2 of the largest or anticipated largest releases over the past couple of weeks - Eminem's _encore_ and Gwen Stefani's solo disc...both are mostly synth & drum machine dominated. Not alot of traditional instrumentation going on there. People LOVE synth music, they just don't always know it. Jason - -- Infraction Records infractionrecords.com Outnow: Beequeen - Music for the Head Ballet CD (INFX 009) Outsoon: Koda - Movements CD (INFX 008) "Stars of the Lid multi-layered drone for the backdrop of winter" Andrew Liles - New York Doll 2CD (INFX 013) "Two continents, a dozen hidden meanings, the input of a hundred people and a thousand hours compiled tape - beautifully compressed onto two discs." Zimiamvian Night - s/t CD (INFX 007) Cavernous drones recalling Zoviet France and distant scenes created nearing the likes of Mirror. Limited edition of 50 numbered copies. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:00:17 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: (fax) How many of us are there? In a message dated 11/22/04 1:56:32 PM Central Standard Time, riouxs@aol.com writes: > I might agree with the vocal part of your stance/argument, but let's > take 2 of the largest or anticipated largest releases over the past > couple of weeks - Eminem's _encore_ and Gwen Stefani's solo disc...both > are mostly synth & drum machine dominated. Not alot of traditional > instrumentation going on there. People LOVE synth music, they just > don't always know it. > yes...how true....most "people" still need their phallic symbols and rock-star fantasies.... RL np - Coil "Astral Disaster" may you rest in peace Jhonn Balance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:54:09 -0800 From: "Greg" Subject: (fax) Re: (amb) Redefining IDM Paul, you might want to try stuff from City Center Offices(Hermann&Klein, Yasume, Xela and a few more) also Morr music..I assume you know of Ulrich Schnauss? seems like he is the lastest rage in the IDM/electronica/Indie arena... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Levinson" To: Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 11:39 AM Subject: (amb) Redefining IDM > Is there anyone else out there who is totally frustrated by the > general lumping together of all ambient/electonic/world/house/etc > music under the term 'ambient'? > > Rhetorical question - I know most of you feel the same. > > About 10 years ago - when I was fisrt searching for a 'label' to > define the ambient+beats genre, I came across the term INTELLIGENT > DANCE MUSIC and I thought I had found a winner. It was the time of my > initial love affair with Orbital's 'In SIdes' and I took the term > INTELLIGENT dance music to delineate that it was DANCEABLE electronic > music that defied the usual popular house/trance DOOF-DOOF-DOOF > monotonous beat and therefore was 'INTELLIGENT' DANCE MUSIC or IDM. > > Much to my disappointment, I found - in the IDM realm - all manner of > glitchy, scratchy, NON-DANCEABLE beats that somehow ridiculed the > 'DANCE MUSIC' part of the IDM. > > Now, once more - thanks to our friend Jeff - I have been introduced to > another group that has found the balance between 'ambient' melodies > and beats - in this case STRING THEORY - which is actually quite > 'danceable' in parts, and I would love nothing more than to find other > music in this INTELLIGENT DANCEABLE BEATS vs 'AMBIENT' MUSIC realm. > > I wish that IDM hadn't been so misused and abused to include so many > UNDANCEABLE types of music and that there was a 'place' where I could > find more truly INTELLIGENT DANCE MUSIC. > > Any help/advice? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:55:47 -0800 From: "Greg" Subject: Re: (fax) How many of us are there? you have a good point there Jason! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason" To: "Greg" Cc: "Brian" ; Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 11:53 AM Subject: Re: (fax) How many of us are there? > > > > > Pretty grand generalization!? are you the same Brian that reviews ambient > > cds? that would explain a lot. The groups you mentioned are the type > > that > > I'm talking about!! The bottom line is that its not popular and anyone > > off > > this email list or isn't associated with electronica would agree with > > me 100 > > percent. Say what you want to. Most people around the world want to > > listen > > to music without synths, WITH vocals, etc...not many people like music > > that > > is dominated by computers and synths! > > I might agree with the vocal part of your stance/argument, but let's > take 2 of the largest or anticipated largest releases over the past > couple of weeks - Eminem's _encore_ and Gwen Stefani's solo disc...both > are mostly synth & drum machine dominated. Not alot of traditional > instrumentation going on there. People LOVE synth music, they just > don't always know it. > > Jason > > -- > Infraction Records > infractionrecords.com > > Outnow: > Beequeen - Music for the Head Ballet CD (INFX 009) > > Outsoon: > Koda - Movements CD (INFX 008) "Stars of the Lid multi-layered drone for > the backdrop of winter" > > Andrew Liles - New York Doll 2CD (INFX 013) > "Two continents, a dozen hidden meanings, the input of a hundred people > and a thousand hours > compiled tape - beautifully compressed onto two discs." > > Zimiamvian Night - s/t CD (INFX 007) > Cavernous drones recalling Zoviet France and distant scenes created nearing > the likes of Mirror. Limited edition of 50 numbered copies. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:27:30 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) How many of us are there? interesting how you feel. i would say about 5 years ago i felt the same way. i was disgusted with the way the genre had gone. the commercialism made me dig deeper into the music scene. it took me several years to find what i was looking for, and the internet pointed me in that direction. this is how i found so much new music, new labels and people. they are out there. most of the top selling "electronica" (i infact do not even like that title), is crap. that surely doesn't mean good music isn't out there. sometimes a smaller crowd makes for better music? and why the underground will never die. kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ die Intensität eines Automobilunfalles, ist einfach erstaunlich. http://jackthetab.org - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg" To: "wallace winfrey" Cc: Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 1:20 PM Subject: Re: (fax) How many of us are there? > I'm from California..popular, what type of electronica?? its NOT ambient. > The ONLY synth type of music that might be kind of popular is House or > Trance dance crap...other than this form of muisc, 99 percent of people > couldn't tell you what Ambient, IDM, or any other underground electronic > music is..why is it that a BIG selling electronica cd is MAYBE 2,000 > copies...come on, this is almost ridiculous even disscussing. The bottom > line is most everyone thinks this is 'weird' music, doesn't matter if you > live in the US or other countries...The only stuff that sells is electronica > with heavy beats and has some vocals in it....Air, Chemical Brother's, > Digweed, Sasha, DJ Tiesto and a few other's. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "wallace winfrey" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 10:28 AM > Subject: Re: (fax) How many of us are there? > > > > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Greg wrote: > > > > > In the US, Synth music is not very popular at all. > > > > Well, maybe not as popular as Nelly or Eminem, but I'd say it has a pretty > > healthy following. Where are you from, Greg? > > > > w > > > > --- > > + To post: ; to mail a person: > > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:02:43 +0100 From: 'Alexander S.Kunz' Subject: Re: (fax) How many of us are there? Hello Jack & everyone else 22-Nov-2004 22:27, you wrote: > the internet pointed me in that direction. this is how i found so much > new music, new labels and people. they are out there. > most of the top selling "electronica" (i infact do not even like that > title), is crap. that surely doesn't mean good music isn't out there. > sometimes a smaller crowd makes for better music? I pick these two paragraphs for a more general statement... I can't really nail it down to a precise point, but I'll try to explain it: Synthesizers and computers made it possible that (talented) people can express their creativity - and it is lot more people than ever before. There's so MUCH good music out there. But... for example, the Fax catalogue alone is so immense that one can hardly give each title the attention it deserves, let alone admire and appreciate it (or not). In the past, we were seeking diamonds in the waste (find good music), but thats not the problem anymore - we need to seek *time* to examine all the diamonds. And all these diamonds form a new "waste" - all the "generalization" that happens to every genre when it gets wider attention... all that mainstream stuff that is labelled "ambient" and "electronica" and "lounge", whatever... Just philosophing around a little bit... :-) - -- Best regards, 'Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: "A Million Miles to Earth" by Pete Namlook & Richie Hawtin from the 2000 album 'From Within' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:49:01 -0800 From: "Greg" Subject: (fax) Re: (amb) Redefining IDM nice! maybe I will try this way! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Clark" To: Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 1:53 PM Subject: Re: (amb) Redefining IDM let's just go with 1 genre and 3 subgenres: 1. Music a. Really Good Music (RGM) b. Really Bad Music (RBM) c. Mediocre Music (MM) i'm happy that way. if i ever have to explain my tastes, it's usually something like "I enjoy really weird electronic music, sometimes dancey, sometimes not." That's way to broad to put into a genre more specific than that. ;) On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:33:05 -0500, jackthetab wrote: > >I wish that IDM hadn't been so misused and abused to >include so many > >UNDANCEABLE types of music and that there was a 'place' >where I could > >find more truly INTELLIGENT DANCE MUSIC > > this is how i feel about the ambient list at times. > the same exact reasons, just ambient style. > > kunst und wahnsinn, > jackthetab > > #####\ _ /##### > #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# > ##### | /_woof/ | ##### > #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# > # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # > #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# > #####/ ######/ \###### \##### > /_______________________________________\ > die Intensität eines Automobilunfalles, > ist einfach erstaunlich. > http://jackthetab.org > > - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jason Clark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:14:27 -0500 From: "jackthetab" Subject: Re: (fax) How many of us are there? > we need to seek *time* to examine all the > diamonds. And all these diamonds form a new "waste" interesting..... so having a box of unlistened to music could be part of the problem? i admit, it is hard to find time to appreciate the music these days. one thing i always try and manage, is to sit on my sofa in front of my studio speakers without any interruptions. no tv, no phone, no nags, just quality time for music. i listen to one album a night. this makes for a long waiting list for music however. kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ die Intensität eines Automobilunfalles, ist einfach erstaunlich. http://jackthetab.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:34:56 -0600 (CST) From: Trevor Cordes Subject: Re: (fax) How many of us are there? On 22 Nov, Greg wrote: > I also do not know of anyone ever > knowing who Pete Namlook is. I think most on this list have this problem. I was lucky enough to know one guy when I was in university. If I recall correctly he had HoS and probably still does :-) If you ever read this, Neal, shoot me an email! > Of course I don't talk about music all that > much with other people. Most would think its just too 'weird' anyway. In the > US, Synth music is not very popular at all. I'm a music fanatic and have > never met anyone with as many cds like I have. "Synth music" may not be as big, but Electronica is really taking off as a whole, at least in Canada. Finally after years of being slapped in with "dance" in the stores it's starting to get its own section. As for the fanatic bit, I bet mose people here are music "fanatics" with hundreds (thousands?!) of CD's in their collection. And yes, we all personally know nothing but non-music people who have maybe 10 CD's and never listen to them, instead opting for pop radio. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:41:44 -0600 (CST) From: Trevor Cordes Subject: Re: (fax) How many of us are there? On 22 Nov, 'Alexander S.Kunz' wrote: > In the past, we were seeking diamonds in the waste (find good music), but > thats not the problem anymore - we need to seek *time* to examine all the > diamonds. And all these diamonds form a new "waste" - all the Too true. This is the current problem. Back in '91-'93 it was almost possible to own every new techno/elec CD that came out. Now there's a deluge of stuff and it's hard to find the gems. And then you spend all your time wading through stuff that you don't get time to appreciate the gems. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:51:18 -0800 From: "Greg" Subject: Re: (fax) How many of us are there? well, you have *time* when you are not working! currently this is my situation...LOTS of time for music...I love it. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "jackthetab" To: "'Alexander S.Kunz'" ; Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 2:14 PM Subject: Re: (fax) How many of us are there? > > we need to seek *time* to examine all the > > diamonds. And all these diamonds form a new "waste" > > interesting..... > so having a box of unlistened to music could be > part of the problem? i admit, it is hard to find > time to appreciate the music these days. one thing > i always try and manage, is to sit on my sofa in > front of my studio speakers without any interruptions. > no tv, no phone, no nags, just quality time for > music. > > i listen to one album a night. this makes for a long > waiting list for music however. > > > kunst und wahnsinn, > jackthetab > > #####\ _ /##### > #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# > ##### | /_woof/ | ##### > #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# > # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # > #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# > #####/ ######/ \###### \##### > /_______________________________________\ > die Intensität eines Automobilunfalles, > ist einfach erstaunlich. > http://jackthetab.org > > > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:48:22 -0000 From: "izam studio" Subject: Re: (fax) Re: (amb) Redefining BEATLESS IDM as INTELLIGENT AMBIENT MUSIC = I.A.M :) i think its a tricky one.For me idm is more about the old electronica like black dog we used to trip out to for 8 hours at a time.We never went near a dance floor in those days .Idm represents differnt things for differnt people.Me persoanlly i like beats but prefer music which sounds more like another world as opposed to a modern day blueprint of the classic 4 piece band.After all dance music is really a one man take off of this with beats replacing a drummer , bassline / bassplayer etc etc. It uses the old blueprint of players in a band and relicates their parts and i know then evolves it alot but for me the most sublime music creates an image beyond all this. Dont get me wrong but that shows what i think or feel when i hear alot of 'danceable ' music , i actually prefer beats you cant dance to and that use drum sounds as forms rather than replication of a drummer as i have this real bad habit of seeing a drummer everytime i hear a typical danceable drum beat but i guess i am personally way more a deep space , beatless music person , i still by a lot of stuff like that on neo ouija etc which is danceable at times but idm represents really the early uk electronica for me liek blackdog etc .I know what you mean , if its intelligent dance music and you cant dance to it then whys it called that . All terms such as Idm and ambient are no much misused as flawed from the start is music and itscreation is limitless , we try and box up the unboxable , music is open ended and free to be what it wants.We each make very different associations and have different likes and dislikes.Intelligent openminded electronic music may have been a better term for those who choose to step outside of the 'john paul and ringo ' syndrome and use beats in ways which evolve them and create more evolutionary forms of music which do not mimik the ' band ' and which take people outside or inside of themselves rather than make them dance.I dance in my head , its way easier though thats probably because by 1997 i was bored with dance music full stop , again its all about persoanl preference and taste. I get your point but its based on your preference , mines totally the opposite but the 'dance ' in idm can be misleading when the beats could only make you move like an absolute moron , though to be frank the last time i went to a psy chill gathering i felt this was the case ! > > Is there anyone else out there who is totally frustrated by the > > general lumping together of all ambient/electonic/world/house/etc > > music under the term 'ambient'? > > Rhetorical question - I know most of you feel the same. i agree with this but again each persons definition is different and its in defining that we make the mistake , definitions are best kept to , beat , beatless , experimental beatless , experimental beats etc if any which explain a little more.Maybe danceable idm is better or undanceable idm , you see my point.Why not just listen to it and if youlike buy , if not dont. This 'balance 'between beats and melodies i wonder about also and noted a few people say this , where are the beats so many people say to me when i play some deep chilled stuff late at night , it needs a bit of beats and space others say , it needs nothing i say , it was written without beats , why do we want everything our way all the time ? its as though some people cannot get beyond the beat and i think thatd very sad , i meet so many people who cant stomach music wthout beats , some cannot sit still in a room when the music is beatless , it unerves many people also i found as its just to still and introspective and upsets many people as does anything experimental , this fascinates me as predictable music and styles repeating themselves for years at a time drives me crazy myself but then i realise most deep stuff i have could have been written anytime in the last 10 years and can be equally predicatable. I read here someone say the deeper fax stuff was the weak stuff , this i know is a contentious issue allround , isnt taste a wonderfull thing though , for me the deep stuff on fax is the good stuff ! the less beats it has the more i love it , is that weak or unbalanced music i am listening to ? I totally understand your comments , my waffle is realy the thoughts this brought to mind . . > > About 10 years ago - when I was fisrt searching for a 'label' to > > define the ambient+beats genre, I came across the term INTELLIGENT > > DANCE MUSIC and I thought I had found a winner. It was the time of my > > initial love affair with Orbital's 'In SIdes' and I took the term > > INTELLIGENT dance music to delineate that it was DANCEABLE electronic > > music that defied the usual popular house/trance DOOF-DOOF-DOOF > > monotonous beat and therefore was 'INTELLIGENT' DANCE MUSIC or IDM. > > > > Much to my disappointment, I found - in the IDM realm - all manner of > > glitchy, scratchy, NON-DANCEABLE beats that somehow ridiculed the > > 'DANCE MUSIC' part of the IDM. > > > > Now, once more - thanks to our friend Jeff - I have been introduced to > > another group that has found the balance between 'ambient' melodies > > and beats - in this case STRING THEORY - which is actually quite > > 'danceable' in parts, and I would love nothing more than to find other > > music in this INTELLIGENT DANCEABLE BEATS vs 'AMBIENT' MUSIC realm. > > > > I wish that IDM hadn't been so misused and abused to include so many > > UNDANCEABLE types of music and that there was a 'place' where I could > > find more truly INTELLIGENT DANCE MUSIC. > > > > Any help/advice? > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:31:51 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: MuzikJunky Subject: Re: (fax) How many of us are there? - -----Original Message----- From: RLynn9@aol.com Sent: Nov 22, 2004 3:00 PM To: Riouxs@aol.com, cameron69@comcast.net Cc: brian@lists.frickster.net, faxlist@2350.org Subject: Re: (fax) How many of us are there? In a message dated 11/22/04 1:56:32 PM Central Standard Time, riouxs@aol.com writes: > ...Let's > take 2 of the largest or anticipated largest releases over the past > couple of weeks--Eminem's "Encore" and Gwen Stefani's solo disc. Both > are mostly synth- & drum machine-dominated. Not a lot of traditional > instrumentation going on there. People LOVE synth music; they just > don't always know it. Don't forget that it's also much cheaper to pay one musician who programs all the equipment instead of a band of several musicians. Some of us prefer synths and drum machines because what they can do human beings cannot do. Let's see someone play the 64th note hi-hat pattern on Juelz Santana's "Dipset," for example, while performing a traditional snare-and-bass pattern at the SAME time. Let's see a human play the hi-hat closed AND open at the SAME time. Besides, synths and drum machines do amazing things in lesser-known parts of the world. Modern Ethiopian pop music, anyone? Peace. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:31:24 -0800 From: Subject: Re: (fax) How many of us are there? >> I might agree with the vocal part of your stance/argument, but let's >> take 2 of the largest or anticipated largest releases over the past >> couple of weeks - Eminem's _encore_ and Gwen Stefani's solo disc...both >> are mostly synth & drum machine dominated. Not alot of traditional >> instrumentation going on there. People LOVE synth music, they just >> don't always know it. I agree. Look at all the hip-hop that's selling millions and being played on MTV. Yeah it has vocals but so much of the music is pure electronica. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:41:54 -0600 From: Brian Subject: (fax) Wechelspannung Does anyone love this release as much as I do? I think it's brilliant. (Just got it!) =) - -Brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:47:43 -0000 From: "Corbin, Nick" Subject: RE: (fax) Wechelspannung > Does anyone love this release as much as I do? I think it's = brilliant. (Just got it!) =3D) completely agree, it's one of my top 5 fax's. i bought it on the = strength of the excerpt on the ambient cookbook and was initially = disappointed (for the first 21 mins) as that section is very different = to the first part of the disc, which is all drones and bleeps etc. but, = as with a lot of fax music, the journey is 90% of the fun and from when = the jittery kick drum comes in (part way through 'track' 6) it's all = worth it. love it. have to say i was disappointed by wechselspannung 2 however... [nick] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:45:00 +0000 From: Paul Milligan Subject: Re: (fax) Wechelspannung on 23/11/2004 3:47 pm, Corbin, Nick at Nick.Corbin@acnielsen.co.uk wrote: > >> Does anyone love this release as much as I do? I think it's brilliant. (Just Coincidentally I had this on in my car last week... one of those I come to only once or twice a year but always find quite fresh and certainly upbeat. I love the way the momentum builds, in that sense very much like their earlier efforts on Alien Community ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:15:49 -0800 From: Christian von Ompteda Subject: Re: (fax) Wechelspannung I remember when I first got this - I found a vinyl copy that had been reissued on Jonah Sharp's Reflective label (the vinyl comes with one of those crazy 3d laser hologram stickers as the center label). I couldn't really decide which speed to play it on - it sounded equally brilliant at both 33 and 45. Figured it out when I got the CD, but it's always amazed me that it's one of those albums where it would work perfectly under almost any circumstance. Very versatile... Quoting Brian : > Does anyone love this release as much as I do? I think it's brilliant. > (Just got it!) =) > > -Brian > > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:09:19 -0600 (CST) From: Trevor Cordes Subject: Re: (fax) Wechelspannung On 23 Nov, Brian wrote: > Does anyone love this release as much as I do? I think it's brilliant. I'll have to be the devil's advocate here... I rated the two Wechsel's pretty low for FAX CD's: somewhere a bit below average. I noticed that my second/third listening raised the rating a bit, but not much. I will give 1 another shot to see if something was hiding on me... And does anybody know what "Wechselspannung" means? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:11:49 +0100 From: "kompaktkiste" Subject: RE: (fax) Wechelspannung > And does anybody know what "Wechselspannung" means? alternating current, like, the ac in ac/dc ;-) ciao, wolf. www.kompaktkiste.de ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:29:29 -0700 From: "Skip Acuff" Subject: RE: (fax) Wechelspannung Wechselspannung =3D alternating current (also called Wechselstrom) Skip - -----Original Message----- From: Trevor Cordes [mailto:trevor@tecnopolis.ca]=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:09 AM To: Fax List Subject: Re: (fax) Wechelspannung On 23 Nov, Brian wrote: > Does anyone love this release as much as I do? I think it's brilliant. I'll have to be the devil's advocate here... I rated the two Wechsel's pretty low for FAX CD's: somewhere a bit below average. I noticed that my second/third listening raised the rating a bit, but not much. I will give 1 another shot to see if something was hiding on me... And does anybody know what "Wechselspannung" means? - --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:24:45 -0000 From: "izam studio" Subject: Re: (fax) Wechelspannung totally , like alot of fax it can be subtle , you can easiliy miss the point or see something lacking in it i found at first but when in the right mood and when you get this cd like alot of fax stuff its very cool .Ittook me a couple of listens , when at the wrong moment and one at the right moment! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: "Fax List" Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:41 PM Subject: (fax) Wechelspannung > Does anyone love this release as much as I do? I think it's brilliant. > (Just got it!) =) > > -Brian > > > --- > + To post: ; to mail a person: > + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to > + Online info at: www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org ------------------------------ End of faxlist-digest V2004 #80 ******************************* --- + To post: ; to mail a person: + To unsubscribe: "unsubscribe" to + Online info at: www.faxlabel.com www.hyperreal.org/fax www.2350.org